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  • nova91
    MVP
    • Oct 2009
    • 2074

    #31
    Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

    If there was a way for them to separate the game mechanics of offline/online then yeah this would be fine but as it stands right now the only "consequence" for off ball needs to be if the defender sucks or you catch him out of position he gets worked. That's it.

    In MC and my player locked ML, I get tired of watch good defenders on my team get burned on crappy shots by bad shooters because I'm not the one contesting them.
    Last edited by nova91; 06-08-2016, 11:37 AM.
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    • Philbin
      Banned
      • May 2009
      • 95

      #32
      Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

      Have you guys played road to the playoffs or a kid who only uses off ball a whole game. It's obnoxious...... And you can say it's not meant for the whole game all you want but that is ALL kids are doing and it's just ****ing boring. I know how to make my guy manually cut and I know which plays kill off ball and I've beaten seed 1 gotten to greatest of all time but I play this game to have fun... Having to figure out which player he's off balling with and making them cut or calling plays to that person just isn't fun.... There needs to be a steeper penalty for long term off ball. It's absolute garbage.


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      • BezO
        MVP
        • Jul 2004
        • 4414

        #33
        Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

        If you're running your offense instead of trying to iso human controlled players to death, it won't matter.

        And yeah, sending teammates on cuts works like a charm.

        I have a friend that has 2 tactics; off-ball defense and iso me to death because I almost always play on-ball. Defending someone who dribbles around for up to 23 seconds until they get an opening is way more annoying and challenging than running my offense against an off-baller.
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        • alabamarob
          MVP
          • Nov 2010
          • 3348

          #34
          Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

          Originally posted by BezO
          If you're running your offense instead of trying to iso human controlled players to death, it won't matter.

          And yeah, sending teammates on cuts works like a charm.

          I have a friend that has 2 tactics; off-ball defense and iso me to death because I almost always play on-ball. Defending someone who dribbles around for up to 23 seconds until they get an opening is way more annoying and challenging than running my offense against an off-baller.
          Good post. I never understood why off ball defense is supposed to be harder to score against. Jerzeymade did a video yesterday where he was killing cpu defenders off the dribble.
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          • crusaderhoops10
            Rookie
            • Mar 2005
            • 268

            #35
            Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

            Hating on off-ball is such a weird streetball mentality. Same people that hate on it never call plays and just want to go one-on-one all game. Oh is that sim? When I play offline, I will play some on-ball, since the game seems to reward it and I can be better at it than my AI teammates. But to get the most out of my defense I try and control as many of my five guys in a possession that I need to. I'm going to manually hedge, manually recover around screens, manually sag off someone who is not a threat to shoot from the outside to help in the paint. What are all of those things btw? Sim basketball.

            Online can be so tough to play on-ball if you don't have great Internet. That split-second lag is everything and then don't even mention how ridiculously out of position my AI teammates are too. Why should I try to sacrifice my overall defense just to gain some weird streetball respect from my opponent? Leave that for Gauntlet and MyPark.

            And the other best point that's already been made here is that you should be able to attack your opponent no matter who they're controlling. If my opponent isn't playing on-ball D, I feel like I can attack them better a lot of times. So what's the problem?

            This game rewards you if you have an offense and play some real good basketball. Try and do that and you won't care who your opponent controls on D.

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            • Philbin
              Banned
              • May 2009
              • 95

              #36
              Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

              If I'm playing online I want user on user. Simple as it is. I can play superstar sim offline all day but I decided to go into play now online. Once again, off ball isn't difficult to breakdown, have amethyst Ewing and a solid play now in goat record..... It's just boring and stale. I want to play a USER.


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              • BezO
                MVP
                • Jul 2004
                • 4414

                #37
                Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                Originally posted by Philbin
                If I'm playing online I want user on user. Simple as it is. I can play superstar sim offline all day but I decided to go into play now online. Once again, off ball isn't difficult to breakdown, have amethyst Ewing and a solid play now in goat record..... It's just boring and stale. I want to play a USER.
                You are playing a user. He has to control someone on the court. If he's off-ball, your direct interaction is via cuts & passes instead of dribble moves.

                If you're just not happy with how you can attack the user directly, that's for you to adjust, not your opponent.
                Last edited by BezO; 06-09-2016, 09:15 AM.
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                • Philbin
                  Banned
                  • May 2009
                  • 95

                  #38
                  Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                  Originally posted by BezO
                  You are playing a user. He has to control someone on the court. If he's off-ball, your direct interaction is via cuts & passes instead of dribble moves.

                  If you're just not happy with how you can attack the user directly, that's for you to adjust, not your opponent.

                  I have adjusted it once again. It doesn't make the game more difficult. It just makes it stale and predictable. Why should someone not have to at least attempt to guard you when you're handling the ball?

                  I'm tired of beating the computer the exact same way with someone just switching around off ball. The punishment clearly isn't nearly severe enough.

                  No excuse this year. It's a lot easier to play on ball even online.


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                  • 2_headedmonster
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 2251

                    #39
                    Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                    getting mad at someone for playing as the center in 2k is the same as being mad at someone for playing as the Safety in Madden...lmao. Is that a thing too? Does someone have to rush the qb before they are allowed to switch to a DB? lol

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                    • Philbin
                      Banned
                      • May 2009
                      • 95

                      #40
                      Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                      Not even close at all. Two completely different games that are portraying different sports. I can beat superstar aim ai with an iso EVERY SINGLE TIME. it's an algorithm not anything else.....

                      Why wouldn't you want to play on ball and see if you can play actual defense and guess what they're doing? I get beat when I'm playing on ball and I say nice move.


                      And if you're having problems with people getting left open or pick and rolls that's your fault too. Plenty of defensive settings to combat it.

                      Tight/deny on good shooters. Moderate for okay shooters (Lebron etc) and gap for deandre Jordan types. 3/4 bottom post for the 4 and 5. Switch guards only on picks. No hedge on the pick and roll and when you see one coming (always on ball) cut ahead of it and the person who is guarding the person setting the screen will back down and be in space on the roll of get a steal. Jesus Christ. Not like all the tools have been provided to these people claiming they "need" off ball right???


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                      • A6_Foul_Out
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 525

                        #41
                        Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                        Originally posted by 2_headedmonster
                        getting mad at someone for playing as the center in 2k is the same as being mad at someone for playing as the Safety in Madden...lmao. Is that a thing too? Does someone have to rush the qb before they are allowed to switch to a DB? lol
                        This isn't a valid comparison.

                        Your linemen don't all become reincarnations of the combo of Urlacher, Sapp and JJ watt because they become computers.

                        In 2K, leaving a computer against a user with the ball is very annoying and not fun to deal with. Plus, it takes A TON more skill to user saftey than to off-ball center.

                        edit:
                        Anybody who hasn't seen this video from a few years back should really watch it User Safety Skill at its finest. NSFW mild bad language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNSAX1Ckt4Y
                        Last edited by A6_Foul_Out; 06-09-2016, 06:16 PM.

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                        • Philbin
                          Banned
                          • May 2009
                          • 95

                          #42
                          Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                          Originally posted by Philbin
                          Not even close at all. Two completely different games that are portraying different sports. I can beat superstar aim ai with an iso EVERY SINGLE TIME. it's an algorithm not anything else.....

                          Why wouldn't you want to play on ball and see if you can play actual defense and guess what they're doing? I get beat when I'm playing on ball and I say nice move.


                          And if you're having problems with people getting left open or pick and rolls that's your fault too. Plenty of defensive settings to combat it.

                          Tight/deny on good shooters. Moderate for okay shooters (Lebron etc) and gap for deandre Jordan types. 3/4 bottom post for the 4 and 5. Switch guards only on picks. No hedge on the pick and roll and when you see one coming (always on ball) cut ahead of it and the person who is guarding the person setting the screen will back down and be in space on the roll of get a steal. Jesus Christ. Not like all the tools have been provided to these people claiming they "need" off ball right???


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                          Just gonna leave this here for anyone who tries to justify them playing off ball as "skill" to try to compensate.



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                          Last edited by Philbin; 06-09-2016, 06:09 PM.

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                          • BezO
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 4414

                            #43
                            Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                            IMO it is more challenging and more fun to beat the CPU off the dribble as it tends to be a better on-ball defender than a user. I almost prefer it. Most users are too easily beat. We're all different, but I'm not sure how you think it's boring/stale.

                            Users shouldn't have to play on-ball because they have the option not to.

                            What would change in regard to the variety in which you beat someone if they played on-ball? Are you not running plays? Running a veriety of plays and countering adjustments is what makes every possession different and fun for me. In fact, I play with more veriety against off-ballers because it's harder for me to beat the CPU off the dribble, so I don't try it as often. I work the sets, action and plays.
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                            • Hustle Westbrook
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 3113

                              #44
                              Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                              If 2K would just stop making every CPU defender prime Tony Allen, then off-ball wouldn't be that much of an issue.

                              If it was easier to blow by the CPU then most of these off-ball bums wouldn't be hiding themselves in the corner with their SF like a coward lmao.

                              It's ironic though, the CPU has the defensive instincts of prime Scottie Pippen when it comes to defending you on-ball but when it comes to defending a fastbreak, proper rotations off the pick and roll, stealing passes, not biting for every pump fake, or picking up the nearest defender after a failed fastbreak the CPU is as clueless as can be.
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                              • GradyMac
                                Rookie
                                • Nov 2012
                                • 421

                                #45
                                Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

                                Every year; same thread.

                                People that buy the game are entitled to play however they want.

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