Offball needs to actually have a consequence

[BrandH]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

If I catch someone playing off-ball with one of their perimeter defenders I send the man they're guarding on a manual cut to the rim. If I see them playing off-ball with their Center I pick and roll them to death. Works everytime.

This is the same thing I do. They are usually to bad at defense to cover someone making a cut to the basket and actually play it right.

[jeebs9]

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This is the correct approach. A user is allow to off ball as much as they want, just use what's available to you to beat someone like that. Frankly I find playing an off ball defender the most challenging. 2K's AI help defense is atrocious, I would rather face someone who does lots of off ball help to test my skill. Demanding a user to go on ball is indirectly asking to destroy weak sauce 2K AI help. I want to face the tightest and most challenging D possible so I welcome off ball; unfortunately most of the time off ball users are weaker players so a simple cut and a few off ball screen plays will destroy them.

Asking to give penalty for someone who plays off ball I can't agree with; this means a user has to deal with either terrible AI help D or get punish for going off ball. On ball 24/7 is ancient inefficient strategy I don't agree with it.

Totally agree with the bold!!

[harryl]

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I'm on PC and I don't think we even have feedback to show who our online opponent is controlling on D. I can only tell by behavior that suggests who he's controlling.

And I don't have a problem with off-ball. There are ways to exploit off-ball, especially if opponent does it because they're low skilled. There are def ways to exploit low skilled on-ball.

High skill mix of on and off-ball is what is tough to play against and what we should all strive for.

And I think the ratio and circumstances by which one divides on- and off-ball are up to a person's preference. Don't understand why it matters to anyone else.

[Mbunn1993]

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Asking to give penalty for someone who plays off ball I can't agree with; this means a user has to deal with either terrible AI help D or get punish for going off ball. On ball 24/7 is ancient inefficient strategy I don't agree with it.

Totally agree with the bold!!

I second this. There is no way that someone should be penalized for playing off-ball D the way defense is currently played. Should someone play off-ball 24/7? No, not in my opinion. The same way someone should't be playing on-ball 24/7 either. Saying someone sucks or is bad because they don't play on-ball or that you should be excluded from being called that is completely unnecessary. It all comes down to you caring so much about your own ego and 'self pride' that guess what, no one else cares about! Play how you feel comfortable and the way you find most efficient. (even if it isn't)

[alabamarob]

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Everyone is entitled to play the game how they want to, and its all preference. However, my opinion is that:


1. The off ball ai defense in this game is terrible, predictable, and easily beaten.


2. Requiring 100 on ball defense, gives a clear advantage to any decent offensive player, and gives an unfair advantage to certain teams.


3. If someone posts up Lebron on Kent Bazemore, why would I guard Thompson and Mozgov out at the three point line?


4. If someone runs an iso play with Harden versus Korver, and has Dwight and Capella at the three point line, why would I play on ball with Korver and give the Rockets the Floor Spacing they want?


5. 100 on ball defense allows the offensive player to dictate who you play defense with, and where and how you play defense.


6. 100 on ball defense encourages hero ball, isolation play, and takes a lot of strategy out of the game.


7. Then some folks confuse me by requiring 100 on ball defense, and then at the same time setting a limit on PIP because they know the off ball ai defense can't protect the paint realistically. Why not just allow the defender to protect the paint off ball if they want to?


2k makes a great game and we don't need to babysit it with gameplay rules. The only way we can push the game closer to being a realistic representation of real NBA ball is to allow the devs to fix the gameplay "issues" with basketball solutions as opposed to us setting gameplay rules. I think a good mixture of on and off ball defense is the most realistic way to play the game.

[A6_Foul_Out]

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Nobody is saying that a user shouldn't be "going off ball" to handle screens, fast-breaks, rotations etc. There's a difference between 100% off-ball, and what you're describing. The latter being completely fine.

However, the complaint is that the game is made in such a way that promotes lowered skilled users to use a low skill method of play. It doesn't matter if off-ball is easily beat or not.

See "Skill Zone" for the NHL games.

We want players to play the game, not let the computer do it. We want the game to be in such a way, where players choose not to play 100% off-ball. It's not fun, and we want it to not be effective enough for people to keep doing it.

Nobody is saying that a user shouldn't be "going off ball" to handle screens, fast-breaks, rotations etc. There's a difference between 100% off-ball, and what you're describing. The latter being completely fine.

We want players to play the game, not let the computer do it. We want the game to be in such a way, where players choose not to play 100% off-ball. It's not fun, and we want it to not be effective enough for people to keep doing it

[itchyroll_51]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Nobody is saying that a user shouldn't be "going off ball" to handle screens, fast-breaks, rotations etc. There's a difference between 100% off-ball, and what you're describing. The latter being completely fine.

We want players to play the game, not let the computer do it. We want the game to be in such a way, where players choose not to play 100% off-ball. It's not fun, and we want it to not be effective enough for people to keep doing it

And I am saying they can go 100% off ball if they chose. I take that as a different kind of challenge. We all play 2K a lot here ,okay maybe me a bit more since I have a youtube channel lol, sometimes I get bored seeing the same looks over and over again. I prefer people who play complicated and different defences; as long as is a good defense I look forward to breaking it. And from my experiences the hardest defense to break is probably a 90% off ball and 10% on ball style. Either way tho there are enough offensive tools in this game to break any amount of off ball and on all you might face.

For me I am always excited to see someone who's good at defense, I could careless how much on or off ball they do. The better your defense the more I respect you. If you can run a solid and tight 100% off ball d that I can't break effectively, I am actually happy to play you.

You know what I mean ? We should play this game to look forward to facing different challenges; 100% off ball being one of them. The tougher the competition the more I will improve, that's why I play 2K and that's why I teach people how to play 2K.

Sam Pham

[quitdabull]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Didn't 2K make it to where the CPU shot contest percentage is lower than the human ? So therefore if your opponent plays off ball and you shoot with the CPU guarding you, the chances of making the basket increases ? Pretty sure that was implemented a few years ago. I agree if someone is intentionally playing off ball just to avoid covering you that's cowardly. However I have no issue with someone playing off ball if there's a mismatch, someone constantly getting beat, or your just standing there with the ball handler setting up a play.

see now that opens up a whole can of worms thats been in 2k since 2k12 a huge exploit in the game that 90% of people use

I play on ball D but i encounter people passing around until they have a cpu defender guarding the 3 and im too slow to user contest because its a quick catch n shoot that goes in at a very high clip . Its the most frustrating thing about this game and its bad bball . I never take those shots because ITS NOT OPEN but when i have mistakenly taken 1 it goes in but i brick WHEN WIDE OPEN.

Watching a few people i use to destroy in 2k and a few younger kids play myplayer i came across the same thing. They all just shot 3s right in the cpu grill and made way too many of em. The same way i get beat online . So im thinking this game is catered towards Mycareer which is why scoring is too easy both teams over 55% . If scoring is harder than Myplayer people starts crying.

Give them their own game

[blk5tar5]

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Off ball defense is the common thing now! The last 25 games the stats from everybody I played against says the opponent plays off ball about 30% of the time but from the start they been playing off ball the whole game. yes I won some and lost some. I find the animation takes over because you have an open lane to the basket but for some reason your player SLOWS down allowing the off ball player to make the block or get a bump animation causing no foul but a miss layup or bucket. 2K17 needs to make some changes going forward with playing off ball because there's a lot of non calls like def 3 in the key.

[PopcornJones77]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Off ball defense is the common thing now! The last 25 games the stats from everybody I played against says the opponent plays off ball about 30% of the time but from the start they been playing off ball the whole game. yes I won some and lost some. I find the animation takes over because you have an open lane to the basket but for some reason your player SLOWS down allowing the off ball player to make the block or get a bump animation causing no foul but a miss layup or bucket. 2K17 needs to make some changes going forward with playing off ball because there's a lot of non calls like def 3 in the key.

Best way to beat offball is to know your plays.

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[Lord Bonium]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

Most of the time when i play an off baller i just go 4 out 1 in, call iso, put my back into the defender about 20 feet out and abuse the hell out of the post drive. Works almost every time. I have zero respect for someone who off balls me all game and will treat them accordingly.

To be clear, i don't mind people switching when necessary to make up for the poor ai. I'll usually do it myself once people abuse something over and over, mostly just the PnR.

[raiderphantom]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

There are the few who are playing legit defense rotating players and defending off screens, fighting for post position, etc then there are the majority who just hide in the corner avoiding actually playing the game.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

There are the few who are playing legit defense rotating players and defending off screens, fighting for post position, etc then there are the majority who just hide in the corner avoiding actually playing the game.

On Xbox some are so good at hiding off ball you don't even know who they're controlling since they don't have their gamertags under their players on defense.

I still have no idea why that feature is never on the Xbox consoles.

[alabamarob]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

I turn off all indicators when i play. So i never know if anyone is on or off ball. Its easier to play offense and enjoy the game without that distraction.

[jeebs9]

Re: Offball needs to actually have a consequence

I'm going to post video of an offball game I had last night. And your going to see how quickly the game turned once I kept scoring on him. And got out to a big lead.