NBA 2K17 Legend Edition Featuring Kobe Bryant Announced

[VinsanityLives]

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'Legends Edition'

Really hope this means they spend time & effort detailing all the retro players and gameplay with retro teams

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[BA2929]

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2k has really started to 'sell out'. Always milking everything now. A pre order in April? .. We haven't even seen gameplay or anything. Man oh man do they need good old fashioned competition again.

I like the Kobe cover though.

Not sure why competition matters when it comes to offering pre-orders. If someone knows they want this, why can't they pre-order it? You can always cancel it whenever you want on Amazon with no penalty.

This is marketing 101, not "selling out". 2k was smart to jump on the Kobe hype train on his last day, offer a Kobe edition with pre-orders and get people excited about the game in Sept/Oct. The other game probably wishes they did this right about now.

I mean, it's great you want to wait until you see more info before diving in to buying the game, but if someone wants to reserve a copy at no risk right now, more power to them.

[Vni]

Re: NBA 2K17 Legend Edition Featuring Kobe Bryant Announced

2k has really started to 'sell out'. Always milking everything now. A pre order in April? .. We haven't even seen gameplay or anything. Man oh man do they need good old fashioned competition again.

I like the Kobe cover though.

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Pretty smart marketing imo. Can't blame them. If you can sell tons of pre order 6 months before release without even showing anything you take the opportunity lol. I would never pre order personally tbh.

[VinsanityLives]

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Not sure why competition matters when it comes to offering pre-orders. If someone knows they want this, why can't they pre-order it? You can always cancel it whenever you want on Amazon with no penalty.

This is marketing 101, not "selling out". 2k was smart to jump on the Kobe hype train on his last day, offer a Kobe edition with pre-orders and get people excited about the game in Sept/Oct. The other game probably wishes they did this right about now.

I mean, it's great you want to wait until you see more info before diving in to buying the game, but if someone wants to reserve a copy at no risk right now, more power to them.

Wasn't aware you could cancel pre orders whenever. Good to know.

I get it's obvious marketing, but when the game becomes more about marketing then the actual game itself is what worries me. All the game modes, features, all come down to they are easy to market, better than the actual play of the game itself.

They focus more on marketing tactics than anything else. Back in the day, like 2k-2k11 they spent all the time on the actual gameplay and fluidity of the game.

Once the game exploded around 2k11, they've had a crutch. 2k12/2k13 they had the success of Jordan & 2k11 gameplay to milk. 2k14 they had next gen graphics. 2k15 they had the next gen graphics to milk & a shot meter for the mass of kids then 2k16 they clearly were running dry so tried ANOTHER Jordan edition. Now they can breath again because they have Kobe finale and Warriors 73 wins (after a bs win in Memphis mind you) to milk.

Before this they were constantly changing the game every year and they need to do that to reach a new peak on next gen like 2k11 old gen before they keep recycling like they are now.

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[Vni]

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Game changes a lot for a year to year basis game in my opinion. It may not be as spectacular as it was 6 years ago but so far I could never call the 2K developpers lazy. Imo they made very average games, I think 2K13 was very average and downright bad from a sim gameplay standpoint but it wasn't because of the lack of effort.

[ATLBrayden]

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Would it be possible to get the 2009 or 2010 Lakers in this game?

They most likely will be, at least I hope so. They added tons of 2000-2013 teams this year and with it being Kobe's last year and his own special cover I can't see them not adding 09-10.

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[djherokiller]

No PC-Version?
I'm shocked.

nah, every year they never mention pc properly, even in 2k16, it appears on steam mid july so expect it than, maybe even june but every year its been on steam to pre order mid july

[TyMan8400]

This should be nice, love the cover!

[TyMan8400]

Kobe one of the best of all time. The 60 point game in his farewell prove that.

[TyMan8400]

Kobe Bryant!

[TyMan8400]

Love me some Kobe!

[BA2929]

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Wasn't aware you could cancel pre orders whenever. Good to know.

I get it's obvious marketing, but when the game becomes more about marketing then the actual game itself is what worries me. All the game modes, features, all come down to they are easy to market, better than the actual play of the game itself.

They focus more on marketing tactics than anything else. Back in the day, like 2k-2k11 they spent all the time on the actual gameplay and fluidity of the game.

Once the game exploded around 2k11, they've had a crutch. 2k12/2k13 they had the success of Jordan & 2k11 gameplay to milk. 2k14 they had next gen graphics. 2k15 they had the next gen graphics to milk & a shot meter for the mass of kids then 2k16 they clearly were running dry so tried ANOTHER Jordan edition. Now they can breath again because they have Kobe finale and Warriors 73 wins (after a bs win in Memphis mind you) to milk.

Before this they were constantly changing the game every year and they need to do that to reach a new peak on next gen like 2k11 old gen before they keep recycling like they are now.

While I agree with a lot of your points, the fact is that marketing and development are two different things and two different departments. Doing one great doesn't mean they're slacking off in another.

But yea, I'd love to see some cool new additions next year. I didn't pre-order yet as I'm like you and want to see what they have to offer before I dive in, but I have no problem with others doing so. I know I pre-ordered Star Wars: Battlefront like waaaaay too early lol

[Da_Czar]

NBA 2K17 Legend Edition Featuring Kobe Bryant Announced

Wasn't aware you could cancel pre orders whenever. Good to know.

I get it's obvious marketing, but when the game becomes more about marketing then the actual game itself is what worries me. All the game modes, features, all come down to they are easy to market, better than the actual play of the game itself.

They focus more on marketing tactics than anything else. Back in the day, like 2k-2k11 they spent all the time on the actual gameplay and fluidity of the game.

Once the game exploded around 2k11, they've had a crutch. 2k12/2k13 they had the success of Jordan & 2k11 gameplay to milk. 2k14 they had next gen graphics. 2k15 they had the next gen graphics to milk & a shot meter for the mass of kids then 2k16 they clearly were running dry so tried ANOTHER Jordan edition. Now they can breath again because they have Kobe finale and Warriors 73 wins (after a bs win in Memphis mind you) to milk.

Before this they were constantly changing the game every year and they need to do that to reach a new peak on next gen like 2k11 old gen before they keep recycling like they are now.

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AS has been said on many occassion in this very forum. Gameplay team ONLY works on gameplay ALL YEAR LONG. does not matter what marketing does because marketing is it's own department.

Nobody comes down to my office and says Czar stop working on that I can't market it give me something to market. LOL. But... carryon sirs.

In fact how much gameplay info do you actually hear from marketing ? I believe most of the info you get if found on blogs or dev insights or dev posts made here of all places or on my own youtube channel right ?

There is not a whole lot sexy about gameplay that is even marketable to casuals IMO.

I don't know why people feel like voluntary pre-orders which all games do have anything to do with the quality or lack there-of of the game especially gameplay. I should know better than to even respond but my fingers just couldn't pass it by. LOL!

[VinsanityLives]

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AS has been said on many occassion in this very forum. Gameplay team ONLY works on gameplay ALL YEAR LONG. does not matter what marketing does because marketing is it's own department.

Nobody comes down to my office and says Czar stop working on that I can't market it give me something to market. LOL. But... carryon sirs.

In fact how much gameplay info do you actually hear from marketing ? I believe most of the info you get if found on blogs or dev insights or dev posts made here of all places or on my own youtube channel right ?

There is not a whole lot sexy about gameplay that is even marketable to casuals IMO.

I don't know why people feel like voluntary pre-orders which all games do have anything to do with the quality or lack there-of of the game especially gameplay. I should know better than to even respond but my fingers just couldn't pass it by. LOL!

Then they should possibly hire a new 'team' for gameplay if this is all they are able to accomplish in the span of each year. A year is a LONG time if you are actually working the entirety.

My honest opinion, it isn't even the gameplay designers - they pump out some great ideas and movements, it's that they need someone with a better eye for detail to catch all the simple idiocies that ruin the gameplay first and foremost. It feels that they don't even test there own game fully. They could have a real NBA fan/real gamer sit and test it out religiously throughout the process and have a lot more success than having to drop patches that fix bits & pieces of it.

I'm not an expert in game design, but I can clearly see the improvement from 2k10 to 2k11 vs the lack of improvement each year since then gameplay wise.

I understand marketing and gameplay are seperate departments. It's like how a studio edits & releases trailers for a movie, not the directors. But, the point is, this game is making it's $$ off all the hype and marketing now, and it's resulting in lazy gameplay development simply because, they can get away with it easily now.

Also not sure why you laugh at your own jokes/posts?

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[Vni]

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Then they should possibly hire a new 'team' for gameplay if this is all they are able to accomplish in the span of each year. A year is a LONG time if you are actually working the entirety.

My honest opinion, it isn't even the gameplay designers - they pump out some great ideas and movements, it's that they need someone with a better eye for detail to catch all the simple idiocies that ruin the gameplay first and foremost. It feels that they don't even test there own game fully. They could have a real NBA fan/real gamer sit and test it out religiously throughout the process and have a lot more success than having to drop patches that fix bits & pieces of it.

I'm not an expert in game design, but I can clearly see the improvement from 2k10 to 2k11 vs the lack of improvement each year since then gameplay wise.

I understand marketing and gameplay are seperate departments. It's like how a studio edits & releases trailers for a movie, not the directors. But, the point is, this game is making it's $$ off all the hype and marketing now, and it's resulting in lazy gameplay development simply because, they can get away with it easily now.

Also not sure why you laugh at your own jokes/posts?

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The ignorance in this post is strong.