NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

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  • VDusen04
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2003
    • 13033

    #16
    Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

    Originally posted by bjones16
    You must not watch him play, I would say half of his points or about 40% come from the post, Granted I am from Detroit and watch every game lol, rating seems about right tho
    I, too, am from Detroit and watched approximately 80 of the team's 86 games this past season but I share a very different opinion regarding his post game. Outside of unicorn moments like his step through against Portland, he essentially has one move (jump hook) and it's typically more inefficient than all of his peers.

    Drummond made 552 field goals last year. Of those field goals, here's how a portion of them broke down:

    -83 alley oops (109 attempts)
    -120 dunks (138 dunk attempts)
    -263 layups (489 layup attempts, 53.8 percent)
    -86 tip-shots (158 attempts)
    -27 jump shots (114 attempts)
    -0 fadeaways (0 attempts)
    -137 hook shots (314 attempts, 43.8 percent)



    Again, his reliance on the hook shot outpaced every other center in the league by probably close to 50 attempts, yet his success rate was below that of even Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan.

    In addition, Drummond frequently had difficulty establishing even semi-deep position, which is what often made success in the post so tough for him to begin with. Not to be too obvious, but the moments where he's able to big boy someone and catch his post entry within five feet, he's got a pretty darn good chance of scoring, whether by hook, rebound, or missed shot followed by tip. But more times than not, that didn't happen last year, as illustrated by the numbers above.

    He's young and he's developing but on the offensive end, dunks, lobs, and tip-ins are still his bread and butter. They'll keep pushing to develop that post game of his but to this point, it's still very raw, predictable, and quite honestly, solidly mediocre.

    Originally posted by TheVinylHippo
    He can't hit free throws, sure. Everyone knows that and he must improve going forward, for his own sake if not for anything else. However, he is a prolific rebounder, a very good rim protector and possesses an underrated offensive game getting better by the year, which is demonstrated by de5m0n's uninformed post. I'm not going to pretend like he's Hakeem Olajuwon, but he's much better on the offensive end than he's given credit for.

    Anyway, if he plays like the Big Penguin, the overall rating doesn't mean a thing.
    Not to get too finicky, but I'm also not sure he's too great of a rim protector at this point. He has that capability, but he seems to be frequently stuck between either being aggressive defensively (leading to a strong presence but also foul trouble) or standing around and watching (leading to less fouls but also maddeningly easy buckets at the rim for the opposition). He's also often slow on rotations and had a semi-regular habit of committing awful fouls at the worst times (say, fouling stretch bigs behind the arc).
    Last edited by VDusen04; 08-23-2016, 09:36 PM.

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    • Pokes404
      MVP
      • Jun 2008
      • 1720

      #17
      Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond

      Originally posted by barond57
      I can't remember which live it was, but the best player was Jordan at 93. I really wish we'd go to that scale
      2K could rework the scale so that 99 OVR players become 93 OVR players, but they'd still play exactly the same. The number itself doesn't matter, it's how that number translates to gameplay. Afterall, the 93 OVR Jordan in Live might have been more dominating than the 99 OVR Jordan in 2K. The scale, and what the numbers actually mean, is what's important, not how high/low the number is.

      I'm always reminded of This is Spinal Tap when this discussion comes up. https://youtu.be/uMSV4OteqBE?t=1m18s

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      • isdatyt
        Pro
        • Feb 2012
        • 672

        #18
        People forget that positions factor into ratings. I don't think we can gauge his rating until we see where other centers are. Drummond likely has a 97-98 rebound rating on both ends which would hugely inflate a center's rating. I believe Deandre was an 84 out the box in 2K16 and I would say, even though they play similarly, last season Drummond was a little more polished than him. Also, while I did not watch many DET games, I, a LeBron stan, watched every game of that series, and when CLE couldn't get him in foul trouble, he was a nightmare on the defensive end.

        I'll reserve my opinion for when I see other big men's ratings. I'm expecting Boogie to be in the low 90s as the premier big man in the league. Tristan Thompson in the 85ish range (Hopefully his amazing PnR defense translates to this game). Dwight finally dipping to 81ish. If the numbers end up close to my predictions, I think I'm okay with Drummond getting an 87.

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        • Real2KInsider
          MVP
          • Dec 2003
          • 4658

          #19
          Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

          With my player edits I have Andre Drummond at 86 Overall (Athletic Glass Cleaner, from Defensive Star).

          2K16 Attributes of note

          91 Offensive Rebound - he was 2nd in league w/ 15.6 ORB% and by scale he is surprisingly underrated here. He is 2nd all-time in ORB% (16.8%) behind only Dennis Rodman (17.2%) and ahead of Moses Malone (16.4%). Clearly he should be maxed out here.

          80 Post Control - his PPP here is 0.73 (27% of possessions). He is Dwight Howard tier and that's not a good thing. Inflated for OVR/goodwill 2K ambassador points.

          70 On-Ball Defense
          88 Post Defense
          90 Defensive Consistency
          83 Pick & Roll Defense
          93 Help Defense

          The Pistons ranked 12th in the league defensively. While that is much improved from 19th, 25th, and 24th (DET rankings the previous 3 seasons of Drummond's career), he still has a ways to go to be an elite defensive center. Most of Drummond's defensive value comes from taking away opponent's offensive rebounds, not from getting stops or making high-caliber rotations. Joakim Noah he is not.

          69 Steal - And yet with all that said, 2K somehow glossed over Drummond's excellent steal rate (2.3%) for a big man. Very few centers ever post a steal rate > 2%.

          85 Offensive Consistency - Bruh ya averaged 16 PPG and 0.8 APG as the 2nd option of a playoff team... and that's with all the extra freebies from Hack-a-Drummond.
          Last edited by Real2KInsider; 08-24-2016, 07:14 AM.
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          • DC
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2002
            • 17996

            #20
            Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond

            Originally posted by de5m0n
            Seems right maybe even too high. Got almost no offensive game apart from dunks.
            You know you don't know what overrated means unless you have something else to compare it to right?
            Concrete evidence/videos please

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            • BDM313
              Rookie
              • Mar 2008
              • 193

              #21
              Being a die hard piston fan can definitely respect this rating drummond has come a long way as far as his offense goes hes there is still room for improvement defensively as well defending the pick and roll hes been working on his free throws since his off-season began hopefully it shows stan the man did say they found somethat could help in that regard.
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              • SirGaryColeman
                Banned
                • Oct 2015
                • 848

                #22
                Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

                Tim Duncan in his prime is like an 86 in All Star Team Up mode....

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                • MackZillaTV
                  Pro
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 555

                  #23
                  Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

                  Originally posted by SirGaryColeman
                  Tim Duncan in his prime is like an 86 in All Star Team Up mode....
                  Thats Rookie TD not MVP Duncan...

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                  • Halloween
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 203

                    #24
                    Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

                    I like Drummond but 87 is way too high.

                    Except Hakeem is at 120.

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                    • Crossover1
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 1925

                      #25
                      Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

                      Andre Drummond is a monster in the making but his post game sucks and he doesn't come out the paint on pick and rolls often/well.
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                      • OfficialQbN
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 163

                        #26
                        Re: NBA 2K17 Player Rating - Andre Drummond = 87

                        Im already trying to get Mike Stauffer to adjust some ratings...

                        Does Drummond hit free throws ? Does he get blocks ? Can he switch on perimeter players ? Does he have a jumpshot ? Does he have a postgame ?

                        Don't get it twisted, I like Andre Drummond because hes a workhouse rebounder who cleans up alot of bad possessions for the Detroit Pistons but hes not a better "overall" player than Hassan Whiteside...

                        The notion that Karl Anthony Towns is only 1 OVR higher than Drummond deeply disturbs me as a basketball aficionado considering KAT is the gold standard at the C position for versatility much like The Brow at the PF spot...

                        Keep in mind what the overall rating means... It factors in all aspects of basketball... Drummond may be elite as a rebounder & putback artist but there isnt much past that
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