NBA 2K17 Dynamic Commentary Trailer

[KGDunks]

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That would be pretty hard to program and I think would ultimately not sound organic. It would probably have to be pretty generic commentary like "Let's take a look at the MVP race and you can see LeBron right in the mix".

Regarding the Play Now feature, I know Madden is doing it but I think it's kind of a wasted resource. I mean it's cool, but are people playing Play Now to be immersed in the commentary? I think that person just cares about winning the game.

Yeah, I'm not really pushing for something completely dynamic. That's near impossible unless we one day figure out how to have computers replicate people's voices in a game.

But generic lines like:
- Curry once again having a brilliant season, heading for his 3rd MVP
- "Generated rookie" justifying the hype and having a great rookie year.
- Here's Chris Paul, not quite having the year he did previously, and perhaps age is starting to become a factor.
- The drop off for the Thunder has being quite dramatic. Since their loss of two stars in Durant and Westbrook, they've struggled in successive seasons now to have much success.

[NYJin2011tm]

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Shoot, those random stories are the best thing about color commentary. One of 2 reasons I enjoy watching the Nets since they have the best commentary team in the league.

How ya'll think JVG has lasted this long? Lol

Who are they?

[El_Poopador]

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This happens in 2k though (it happens in the video too with Steve Smith). Also in real life, the side convos only get interrupted if a big play happens (just like in 2k). If Hubie Brown or Chris Webber is rambling about a story and a player hits a normal jumpshot, the PBP guy typically just summarizes what happened after the convo/story is done. The reason for that is because they PBP guy doesnt need to call every play because the viewer can actually see the play.

With a radio broadcast, you hear less stories because the PBP guy has to describe every play.

I've always disagreed with you on this.

It's not like a radio broadcast where the commentators are saying 'Melo whips it to Rose, Rose passes to Noah down on the block, Noah bounces it to a cutting Lee' on every possesion.

Especially nowadays.

There really is a lot of off-game talking during the non intense moments...and they'll throw in a 'as Rose scores a basket there' in the middle of their sentence as they're doing so. It happened quite often in just the first 5 minutes of the video you posted.

I don't expect them to describe every play, but the reason the commentary becomes repetitive is because there is far too much back story, and like KGDunks said above, it never changes. Yes, there are a lot of things in the video I posted that weren't directly talking about what's happening on the court, but the transitions were smooth.

In 2k, yes, they break for a dunk or something like that, but they never really talk about what leads up to the dunk, how someone got so much space for a wide open 3, etc. Even if you hit 10 3pointers within a five minute span, they don't acknowledge that anything out of the ordinary is happening on the court.

In real life, they don't only break the conversations when something exciting happens. They transition between the two.

At 2:40, for example, Harlan is talking about the Knicks' previous game. As soon as the ball is knocked away, he transitions into a full play-by-play until Bazemore scores on the other end. Even after the score, they continue talking about how Millsap dove on the floor to make that play happen.

Then Harlan starts talking about the Knicks record last year, but then cuts himself off when Lopez gets doubled and hits the hook shot.

From there, Reggie begins talking about how the size of Porzingis and Lopez is something they haven't had the last few years, but then jumps back to play-by-play when the ball is stolen all the way to the layup. That gives a nice transition into another side conversation when Calderon is fouled.

During the free throws, they have a side discussion about their thoughts on the two teams, but then go back to play-by-play when Horford sets the screen for Teague. Lopez grabs the rebound, which then gives them another transition to talk about his numbers the night before. As they discuss that, Lopez makes a nice roll, and they go back to the action on the court about his position and getting fouled.

All of those examples in 2 minutes of a real broadcast, and outside of the steal, there weren't any "big" plays. I'm not against having the stories and conversations at all; I just wish they would sound more natural and move back and forth between commenting on the game and having the conversations. If the transitions between the two were better, it would also help. If Kyrie gets fouled going for a layup, don't randomly bring up the top rebounding teams from last year. Have a reason to talk about something, and lead into it.

Sorry for the super long post lol. Just trying to get my thoughts on it out there.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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In the modes with multiple seasons, trades, and stories like MyGm and MyCareer there is an absolute goldmine of potential just waiting. Obviously they can talk about how well a player has been playing, how well they're playing compared to last year, but they really could and should add in a lot more. Talk about the awards races, talk about the breakout stars, mention the games that are vital in the playoffs race, mention the trade rumours, the coaching firing rumours and all that. And a major one that really is lacking is the lack of discussion of the generated rookies each year. Allow us to give them storylines, and have the commentators talk about that, but also talk about how their careers are going.

That would be damn near difficult, if not impossible to implement.

[aholbert32]

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I don't expect them to describe every play, but the reason the commentary becomes repetitive is because there is far too much back story. Yes, there are a lot of things in the video I posted that weren't directly what's happening, but the transitions were smooth.

In 2k, yes, they break for a dunk or something like that, but they never really talk about what leads up to the dunk, how someone got so much space for a wide open 3, etc. Even if you hit 10 3pointers within a five minute span, they don't acknowledge that anything out of the ordinary is happening on the court.

In real life, they don't only break the conversations when something exciting happens. They transition between the two.

At 2:40, for example, Harlan is talking about the Knicks' previous game. As soon as the ball is knocked away, he transitions into a full play-by-play until Bazemore scores on the other end. Even after the score, they continue talking about how Millsap dove on the floor to make that play happen.

Then Harlan starts talking about the Knicks record last year, but then cuts himself off when Lopez gets doubled and hits the hook shot.

From there, Reggie begins talking about how the size of Porzingis and Lopez is something they haven't had the last few years, but then jumps back to play-by-play when the ball is stolen all the way to the layup. That gives a nice transition into another side conversation when Calderon is fouled.

During the free throws, they have a side discussion about their thoughts on the two teams, but then go back to play-by-play when Horford sets the screen for Teague. Lopez grabs the rebound, which then gives them another transition to talk about his numbers the night before. As they discuss that, Lopez makes a nice roll, and they go back to the action on the court about his position and getting fouled.

All of those examples in 2 minutes of a real broadcast, and outside of the steal, there weren't any "big" plays. I'm not against having the stories and conversations at all; I just wish they would sound more natural and move back and forth between commenting on the game and having the conversations. If the transitions between the two were better, it would also help. If Kyrie gets fouled going for a layup, don't randomly bring up the top rebounding teams from last year. Have a reason to talk about something, and lead into it.

Sorry for the super long post lol. Just trying to get my thoughts on it out there.

From a technical perspective, what you are asking for isnt likely to be cheap or easy.

1) It requires hours of more time recording than the already are using. When you are using actual announcers and not voice actors, you have significantly less time to work with them. Harlan has multiple other jobs so that doesnt seem likely.

2) The audio tech needs to advance to the point where it can be interrupted and pick back up to tell the same story...possibly multiple times.

If any game has ever come close to that, I would love to see it. I havent seen it though.

In the end, its a video game and they are limited by the tech and development time.

[choteron2]

Hope that MYGM and Myleague halftime shows talk about injuries, trades, games to watch,allstar votes, players of the month and week, league leaders (points,blocks,rebounds,steals),etc

[El_Poopador]

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From a technical perspective, what you are asking for isnt likely to be cheap or easy.

1) It requires hours of more time recording than the already are using. When you are using actual announcers and not voice actors, you have significantly less time to work with them. Harlan has multiple other jobs so that doesnt seem likely.

2) The audio tech needs to advance to the point where it can be interrupted and pick back up to tell the same story...possibly multiple times.

If any game has ever come close to that, I would love to see it. I havent seen it though.

In the end, its a video game and they are limited by the tech and development time.

The best commentary I've heard in a sports game I think is this year's Madden. They have a great balance between stories/side conversations and play-by-play. And that was done in a single development cycle.

I get that it's not something that can be done overnight. But they've been recording Harlan for over 10 years. That might be part of why I'm so much more disappointed in their commentary, because his lines don't really change much, and the focus on the game isn't there.

They just need to find a balance. As it stands now, the commentary just doesn't mesh with the game being played, to me at least. And honestly, I would be more than happy with new commentators that aren't in a real broadcast.

I mean, they're not using an authentic broadcast package anyway. Going back to Madden, the two that they have now are far better than any of the actual NFL broadcasters they've had in the game before.

[Junior Moe]

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Yeah, I'm not really pushing for something completely dynamic. That's near impossible unless we one day figure out how to have computers replicate people's voices in a game.

But generic lines like:
- Curry once again having a brilliant season, heading for his 3rd MVP
- "Generated rookie" justifying the hype and having a great rookie year.
- Here's Chris Paul, not quite having the year he did previously, and perhaps age is starting to become a factor.
- The drop off for the Thunder has being quite dramatic. Since their loss of two stars in Durant and Westbrook, they've struggled in successive seasons now to have much success.

Yes! One thing im a staunch advocate of is a boat load of "generic" lines that can be filled in with a players name. Sure, it might get repetitive but at least it can be pertinent info. If I'm in ML, Id rather hear about coach x being on the hot seat. X being whoever that coach is be it real or fake. Like you said there's a treasure trove of stuff there. Just have the lines referencing it and just fill in the player, team or coach.

[kolanji]

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By far the most impressive trailer i have seen for a sports game....yes even more impressive than thr phil collins OMG trailer

[aholbert32]

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The best commentary I've heard in a sports game I think is this year's Madden. They have a great balance between stories/side conversations and play-by-play. And that was done in a single development cycle.

I get that it's not something that can be done overnight. But they've been recording Harlan for over 10 years. That might be part of why I'm so much more disappointed in their commentary, because his lines don't really change much, and the focus on the game isn't there.

They just need to find a balance. As it stands now, the commentary just doesn't flow with the game, to me at least.

I like Madden's commentary but I think you are overrating it a lot. I dont even think they have the tech in place to interrupt stories. I've had a number of times where Charles Davis was in the middle of a story, I scored a TD and Davis continued his story. the TD didnt get acknowledged until after his story was done.

I honestly dont think there is another sports series that comes close to NBA2k's commentary. Not Madden. Not Fifa. Not The Show.

Now other aspects of the sound....

[KGDunks]

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The best commentary I've heard in a sports game I think is this year's Madden. They have a great balance between stories/side conversations and play-by-play. And that was done in a single development cycle.

I get that it's not something that can be done overnight. But they've been recording Harlan for over 10 years. That might be part of why I'm so much more disappointed in their commentary, because his lines don't really change much, and the focus on the game isn't there.

They just need to find a balance. As it stands now, the commentary just doesn't mesh with the game being played, to me at least. And honestly, I would be more than happy with new commentators that aren't in a real broadcast.

I mean, they're not using an authentic broadcast package anyway. Going back to Madden, the two that they have now are far better than any of the actual NFL broadcasters they've had in the game before.

The thing about Harlan I can't understand is that he commentates 2K a lot differently. There's not a lot of that excitement and tension that you hear in real life, everything is more relaxed and the end of the games aren't near as tense.

[NINJAK2]

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I'm sorry but I just don't think guys like Shaq, C-Webb, Smith, etc. would spend the amount of time necessary in the studio to record all kinds of super detailed updated commentary, especially once the season starts. They are super busy once that happens. Plus I doubt 2k has an endless supply of cash to spend on flying these guys out 1st class multiple times to work on commentary. If people want this kind of commentary, you may want NBA 2k to go the NFL 2k route or Madden 17 route as far as establishing a commentary team specifically for the game. The problem with this is that they may not be real NBA broadcasters and I know people here like to have the big names. The problem with people wanting high profile commentators is that game studios have to work around their schedules and not vice versa.

[KGDunks]

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That would be damn near difficult, if not impossible to implement.

I know. That's just a dream, but even in a more basic form would be good.

They've got commentary on playoff situations, opening night, how a guy is playing etc already, so I don't see why they couldn't add in a few of those things, even if they are generic and repetitive.

I'm sorry but I just don't think guys like Shaq, C-Webb, Smith, etc. would spend the amount of time necessary in the studio to record all kinds of super detailed updated commentary, especially once the season starts. They are super busy once that happens. Plus I doubt 2k has an endless supply of cash to spend on flying these guys out 1st class multiple times to work on commentary. If people want this kind of commentary, you may want NBA 2k to go the NFL 2k route or Madden 17 route as far as establishing a commentary team specifically for the game. The problem with this is that they may not be real NBA broadcasters and I know people here like to have the big names. The problem with people wanting high profile commentators is that game studios have to work around their schedules and not vice versa.

Yep definitely. But Harlan has been around for ages so they could have already improved on the dynamic element of commentary in MyLeague/MyGM/MyCareer.

[El_Poopador]

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I like Madden's commentary but I think you are overrating it a lot. I dont even think they have the tech in place to interrupt stories. I've had a number of times where Charles Davis was in the middle of a story, I scored a TD and Davis continued his story. the TD didnt get acknowledged until after his story was done.

I honestly dont think there is another sports series that comes close to NBA2k's commentary. Not Madden. Not Fifa. Not The Show.

Now other aspects of the sound....

I'm not saying it's perfect by any means, but I think it sounds more like watching a NFL broadcast than 2k does a NBA broadcast. And again, they're still in year one of Gaudin/Davis versus 10+ years of Kevin Harlan.

I'm sorry but I just don't think guys like Shaq, C-Webb, Smith, etc. would spend the amount of time necessary in the studio to record all kinds of super detailed updated commentary, especially once the season starts. They are super busy once that happens. Plus I doubt 2k has an endless supply of cash to spend on flying these guys out 1st class multiple times to work on commentary. If people want this kind of commentary, you may want NBA 2k to go the NFL 2k route or Madden 17 route as far as establishing a commentary team specifically for the game. The problem with this is that they may not be real NBA broadcasters and I know people here like to have the big names. The problem with people wanting high profile commentators is that game studios have to work around their schedules and not vice versa.

I would be perfectly happy with that, as long as it makes a difference. Just having new voices deliver the same experience isn't worth the time or money. But we're still playing on the 2k Sports Network instead of TNT, so having a generic broadcast team wouldn't be much of a downfall, if they deliver the lines well.

[Junior Moe]

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I'm sorry but I just don't think guys like Shaq, C-Webb, Smith, etc. would spend the amount of time necessary in the studio to record all kinds of super detailed updated commentary, especially once the season starts. They are super busy once that happens. Plus I doubt 2k has an endless supply of cash to spend on flying these guys out 1st class multiple times to work on commentary. If people want this kind of commentary, you may want NBA 2k to go the NFL 2k route or Madden 17 route as far as establishing a commentary team specifically for the game. The problem with this is that they may not be real NBA broadcasters and I know people here like to have the big names. The problem with people wanting high profile commentators is that game studios have to work around their schedules and not vice versa.

Thing is, 2K doesn't have to go the Madden route. This is the first year of these guys so I'm more than content. However, moving forward, I would love to see more generic lines that could simply be filled with the name of pertinent players or coaches. It could all be recorded at one time. Just have a system in place where it recognizes that hey, LeBron (or any player) just won his 5th MVP. I'm talking More ML here.