The VC issue - perfectly put in words

[downsouth]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

1. I don't buy VC and I get by fine. I already stated that.

2. Of course the market dictates what the price is. I agree, if everyone else is doing it and people are paying it why change a winning formula?

That has nothing to do with you acting like they can't get buy without it and crying that they are barely making a profit lol. It's just an immature argument.

- they clearly aren't desperate
- they don't NEED the extra sales so that Ronnie and LDs children can go to school
- they just charge it because they can, and I'm not arguing that

I never said they are struggling, and if anyone is crying its people who gave 2K money knowing full well the situation with VC. If anyone making an immature argument its you. P

There is rarely something called enough profit to an investor/stock holder. Have you seen American business practice? They will keep charging more until too many people stop buying it. Back in the day businesses would literally work employees to death to increase profits... not MAKE a profit but to increase profit.

[dre2]

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Very simple guys. The only way a consumer can really tell a company they dont like a product is to not buy it. When i say that i am saying it 100% seriously and with 0% smart-assness.

Its that way for each and every consumer product. I buy VC now but I swear to you when it becomes more than I am comfortable with I wont give them one more dollar. I wont pay them and then act ripped off. I will simply not buy the game anymore and tell as many people as I can why.

Do i have Verizon Wireless? No, they got too expensive so i cancelled them and got metro pcs.

You aren't wrong man. I've been saying something similar for a while, just still a good product vs what I pay regardless of what is going on with MyCareer (I love this mode tho).

[dre2]

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"NBA 2K17 has a life span of 12 months"

Cripes...is it going to go bad? Do they shut off the servers (Are 2K16s shut off)? Will the discs spoil? Do they have a smell?

[downsouth]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

So because I don't have as much time to spend gaming as you, I shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the game as much unless I pay more? How does that logic work?



The difference between COD and NBA 2k is that your character isn't physically inferior to everyone else's if you aren't leveled up. Your aim isn't any worse than people who are 20 levels higher than you.



Thoughts like this is exactly why they are able to gouge consumers with VC. Look at companies like Square Enix, who have spent 10+ years now developing Final Fantasy XV. 10+ years on a single game. Do you think they are going to charge more than $60 for a copy? Do you think people will feel the need to spend money in order to be able to match the enemies they will come up against in the game? Yes, there will be some DLC, but you can play through the game without needing to grind endlessly or spend extra money.

For you to think that they wouldn't make a massive profit even if not one person purchased VC is comical. How did they stay afloat before they brought in VC? They were only making $60 per game then.

Look, I don't think anyone is asking for our My Player to start out as a 99 overall. But a 55? As a top tier draft pick who is supposed to be the next big thing out of college?

At the very least, start us around 70-75, with enough athleticism to keep up with other players at our own position. And don't charge us the real world equivalent of $12000 for a compression sleeve.

Maybe you never played a MMORPG before but they sell in game currency and items in some of them and that is because even when they dont/didnt there's a huge black market of in game items, currency and accounts that are all levelled up. All the way back to Diablo ii and Everquest on PC. You can look on ebay right now and see World of Warcraft accounts for hundreds or thousands.

[Mweemwee]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

I never said they are struggling, and if anyone is crying its people who gave 2K money knowing full well the situation with VC. If anyone making an immature argument its you. P

There is rarely something called enough profit to an investor/stock holder. Have you seen American business practice? They will keep charging more until too many people stop buying it. Back in the day businesses would literally work employees to death to increase profits... not MAKE a profit but to increase profit.

I'm not arguing with anything you have said so it's all irrelevant.

How is my argument immature? People are saying "it's not a charity", "you don't know for sure they are making a penny profit" and stuff like that and I'm laughing at the absurdness of it...

I have no interest in debating with you anymore as you're not even reading what I'm saying, you're just throwing insults.

[x_NBA_x]

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NO they sound like someone that wants to play a career mode for a game without all the Online restrictions. You know like in 2k12.

Did you even read his post that I responded too?

He has limited time, won't pay for VC & wants to have multiple characters, that has nothing to do with online restrictions and the supposed 2K 'forcing' people to buy VC.

Everyone always moans and thinks the negative rather than going with the positives.. You only need to do the Career mode once, all the cut scenes are the same and so are the phone messages etc. When you use a multiple character you might as well go and play MyLeague and create your own if you don't go online. It is a better mode with player lock because you are in control of everything.

You also have ways to earn VC, easy routes but that is shot down because people can't be bothered and then moan that they have to pay for VC otherwise.. Welcome to the real world, you have to work for things.

[x_NBA_x]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

"NBA 2K17 has a life span of 12 months"

Cripes...is it going to go bad? Do they shut off the servers (Are 2K16s shut off)? Will the discs spoil? Do they have a smell?

I'm speaking in regards to when 2K18 gets released, which I guarantee most who moan will buy and then completely ignore 2K17 (which they could still continue their Career modes on).

[downsouth]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

I'm not arguing with anything you have said so it's all irrelevant.

How is my argument immature? People are saying "it's not a charity", "you don't know for sure they are making a penny profit" and stuff like that and I'm laughing at the absurdness of it...

I have no interest in debating with you anymore as you're not even reading what I'm saying, you're just throwing insults.

Excuse me, but you replied to ME saying I was crying and and putting forth a childish argument. The biggest insukt i wrote said IF anyone had a childish argument or are crying its someone else. Do YOU read what you wrote? I did.

[monegames]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

NBA 2K17 has a life span of 12 months. If it takes you 2 months to max out one guy, then you still have 10 months to play the 'current' game. If it takes you longer then you can still enjoy the game also.

In your situation you are saying that you want to be a PG, then a SG and so on.. Why not create a player and play a MyLeague with player lock? That to me sounds more suited to your limits with time, the cutscenes being the same for multiple characters etc, being able to add accessories when you want, changing positions, mixing up attributes and badges etc..

Sounds like you are someone who wants to be on par with those who are 85+ but don't want to put the time/or can't due to limits in your private life or pay for the VC.. Everyone has to make sacrifices and if your time is limited then your sacrifice will have to be playing MyCareer..

Did you even read his post that I responded too?

He has limited time, won't pay for VC & wants to have multiple characters, that has nothing to do with online restrictions and the supposed 2K 'forcing' people to buy VC.

Everyone always moans and thinks the negative rather than going with the positives.. You only need to do the Career mode once, all the cut scenes are the same and so are the phone messages etc. When you use a multiple character you might as well go and play MyLeague and create your own if you don't go online. It is a better mode with player lock because you are in control of everything.

You also have ways to earn VC, easy routes but that is shot down because people can't be bothered and then moan that they have to pay for VC otherwise.. Welcome to the real world, you have to work for things.

I didn't have a problem creating multiple careers in 2k12. Before VC I could create multiple players, all looking different and playing different. Once they introduced MyPlayer and VC it has become increasingly more difficult to do so, can't even create multiple careers with different characters. they are all based on MYPlayer. Each year they add more and more that cost VC. Last year I could just pick out most dribble moves and styles, this year they all cost VC, not just the NBA players and legends but every dribble move costs VC.

[dre2]

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"Welcome to the real world, you have to work for things."

Video games...serious biz.

Man, what do you guys think is the best case scenario for 2K moving forward? Continue to slightly increase vc costs? Seperate the game into online and sp? People who buy vc...if by 2K20 it's double priced and now alternate away jerseys are only unlocked through buying with vc or a bonus in season 3 of MyCareer, would you still buy? I don't honestly know if I would or not...feedback? (Trying to keep the thread interesting).

[Mweemwee]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

Is there any option to implement a vote for this topic? Agree or disagree?

I think it would be more fruitful than people just attacking the opinions of others.

[x_NBA_x]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

I didn't have a problem creating multiple careers in 2k12. Before VC I could create multiple players, all looking different and playing different. Once they introduced MyPlayer and VC it has become increasingly more difficult to do so, can't even create multiple careers with different characters. they are all based on MYPlayer. Each year they add more and more that cost VC. Last year I could just pick out most dribble moves and styles, this year they all cost VC, not just the NBA players and legends but every dribble move costs VC.

Unfortunately it's how the video gaming world is changing. Games always try to advertise, incorporate and make it sound better to have the in-game purchases.. It will only get worse.. This is when the community needs to either do one of three things;

1) Deal with it and adjust
2) Don't purchase the games
3) Work together to find workarounds and shortcuts if available (Like the VC one on 2K)

People get the impression I'm on 2K's side and I'm not as such.. I hate how the whole video game world is based on micro-transactions. A game I loved to play was DCUO and unless you spend money on there it's tough to do anything in the later stages of the game. I do know that with NBA 2K17 there is ways around buying VC and they are acceptable over the course of the 12 months but people ignore it and want things now.

[downsouth]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

Is there any option to implement a vote for this topic? Agree or disagree?

I think it would be more fruitful than people just attacking the opinions of others.

The only way to vote that matters is with your wallet.

[BA2929]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

Yes because they aren't consistently one of the best selling games of the year? 2K makes an absolute killing off the game without even factoring in VC.

Hell, compare 2K to Battlefield or GTA, two franchises along with 2K, sell copious amounts copies and earn massive revenue off their titles. Both of those games have microtransactions but at the same time they regularly give free content to their customers, GTA V especially. 2K nickel & dimes the customer at every opportunity.

And yes, I am perfectly fine comparing the 2K to GTA/BF/etc because they all charge full price, they all are consistently the top selling titles every year and they all are consistently under development.

You can't really compare 2k to GTA or Battlefield, as both of those franchises come out every 3 years or "whenever they want" in regards to GTA. 2k has 9 months of development every year.

GTA gives out free content because they sell 65 million copies. NBA 2k sold 8 million copies last year. So it takes NBA 2k eight years to achieve as many copies sold as GTA.

Battlefield and COD basically force you to purchase the Premium service (which brings the total sold to $110 per copy) to get the full experience. 2k doesn't force you to buy anything. You can achieve anything in the game you want just by playing. Sure, you might have to play a lot, but you can do it.

I still don't understand why VC is such a big deal around here. You DO NOT have to buy VC. They give you VC for free every time you play the game! The app gives you free VC just for logging in! They hand out locker codes randomly with VC included! They gave out 5k VC just for buying the game for pete's sake.

Last year, when I finally stopped playing the game, I had 50k VC saved up just by playing the game because I had nothing to spend it on because I didn't play MyCareer.

[Rip4ever]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^


Nothing new though we've been asking for a few years now. I see no reasoning behind caps or VC for anyone that actually wants to play career and seasons like me. It's my time, my career, my season so let me do what I wish and upgrade everything to 99 and dunk 24 seven. 2k wont lose a sale i will still buy it year after year end of story.

For online as you said put caps make them buy vc or whatever else. I bet you though sales of VC will drop. Because now you will have people like me vs the hardcore Mypark player separating.

True but there are tons of VC sinks that could easily be created for MyPlayer. The number of people asking for haircuts, more tatoos, and the immense amount of "stuff" you could buy to make you MyCourt more decked out. How about actually having an apartment and being able to deck it out?

It would be easy to make tons of content people would pay VC for that have nothing to do with how well you player plays or doesn't. From the sounds of it there are a number of people that would pay thousands of VC to have Justice fall victim to a tragic plane crash.