For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

[ViolenceFight]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

No doubt the shooting wasn't overpowered, but what I'm trying to get across is don't try to disprove my argument with something that literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I bring up 3 point shooting on non shooters and you throw mid range percentages back at me. Then you try to group me with other people that I don't agree with. That's where I have an issue.

I respect your opinion, but don't try to belittle mine.

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Word, I saw the original hyperbole and went off on a tangent. Apologies. In line with that, I haven't seen much different out of my shot creator friends, unfortunately playmakers has been a small sample size outside of corner 3s. But, that's the opposite direction. I.e. they still miss, so it doesn't appear different there. Although, I know one that still seems to be lights out, so...

[twebb5896]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Word, I saw the original hyperbole and went off on a tangent. Apologies. In line with that, I haven't seen much different out of my shot creator friends, unfortunately playmakers has been a small sample size outside of corner 3s. But, that's the opposite direction. I.e. they still miss, so it doesn't appear different there. Although, I know one that still seems to be lights out, so...

All good man, nothing wrong with two people getting excited over something they're passionate about.

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[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

I don't even bother trying to shoot 3s anymore with my SS unless it's in the corner, and even then it's a cinder block more often than not if it's not green. I'm relegated to shooting mids like everyone else.

Eh, whatever. Guess this is where I'll be until they possibly adjust it again.

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Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

I'd like to hear Beluba, and what went into his decision making process for this patch.

[Tstone77]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

I'd like to hear Beluba, and what went into his decision making process for this patch.

Probably the SS and SB shooting at a 60-70% rate compared to NBA shooters being in 30-40% range.


I thought this board was for #SimNation, not people who just want to make every shot they put up. Was I wrong?

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[abuC]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

Probably the SS and SB shooting at a 60-70% rate compared to NBA shooters being in 30-40% range.


I thought this board was for #SimNation, not people who just want to make every shot they put up. Was I wrong?

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These guys think shooting 65% from 35 feet with a man in their face is not game breaking.

[Tstone77]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

These guys think shooting 65% from 35 feet with a man in their face is not game breaking.

I think they know it's game breaking but they know it's the only way they'll be good.

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[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

On a serious note:

With the way the game reads contested shots now, did Shot Creators take an indirect hit because of it? I ask because their whole purpose was to be able to shoot once they get that small amount of space. But since shots are now considered crowded/contested from like 5 feet away, are Shot Creators getting bad grades from their shots?

I'd like someone who actually plays that archetype to answer that, if they're reading this. Just curious.

[abuC]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

On a serious note:

With the way the game reads contested shots now, did Shot Creators take an indirect hit because of it? I ask because their whole purpose was to be able to shoot once they get that small amount of space. But since shots are now considered crowded/contested from like 5 feet away, are Shot Creators getting bad grades from their shots?

I'd like someone who actually plays that archetype to answer that, if they're reading this. Just curious.

No, our Small forward shot creator is putting up big numbers still, he comes off screens and pin downs catches it takes a dribble or two in and hits the mid-range. He only takes good shots.

I really don't get the complaints, the sharpshooter on our team hasn't skipped a beat, he just doesn't take 5 30 footers anymore.

[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

No, our Small forward shot creator is putting up big numbers still, he comes off screens and pin downs catches it takes a dribble or two in and hits the mid-range. He only takes good shots.

I really don't get the complaints, the sharpshooter on our team hasn't skipped a beat, he just doesn't take 5 30 footers anymore.

That's good to know.

Honestly, at least for me, the gripe comes from shooting and the grade system being far too punishing beyond the 3-point line if it's not a green release. If someone has managed to put together an easy jump shot that they can get greens on at a consistent rate, you won't notice much difference. I know, for myself, I have trouble timing my shot sometimes, so I get s fair share of slightly early and slightly late shots. Problem is, a large majority of those are now cinder blocks. I'm talking 3-10, 2-11 games on wide open shots.

Middies are no problem, for any class. It's once you step into 3-point range. And if you can't get mostly greens, you'll be chucking up mostly bricks. And it doesn't help that shots are now considered contested by defenders who are like 5-7 feet away.

[Tstone77]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

That's good to know.

Honestly, at least for me, the gripe comes from shooting and the grade system being far too punishing beyond the 3-point line if it's not a green release. If someone has managed to put together an easy jump shot that they can get greens on at a consistent rate, you won't notice much difference. I know, for myself, I have trouble timing my shot sometimes, so I get s fair share of slightly early and slightly late shots. Problem is, a large majority of those are now cinder blocks. I'm talking 3-10, 2-11 games on wide open shots.

Middies are no problem, for any class. It's once you step into 3-point range. And if you can't get mostly greens, you'll be chucking up mostly bricks. And it doesn't help that shots are now considered contested by defenders who are like 5-7 feet away.

http://www1.vantagesports.com/Articles/archive_article_view/Vg1ZYyMAALIAoMzK

This is a good article to read!

Sometimes "contested" shots are more situational rather than the distance between two players.

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[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

http://www1.vantagesports.com/Articl...1ZYyMAALIAoMzK


This is a good article to read!

Sometimes "contested" shots are more situational rather than the distance between two players.

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I get what you're saying. However, if you ever used the grade feedback on your shots, the grade itself pretty much lets you know what's open, slightly contested, and heavily contested.

Ex: I have HOF Deep Range and Midrange Deadeye. I've been playing for a long time, so I pretty much know the Deadeye mechanic. It activates on late closeouts. However, this change did something that seems to be overriding it. If I get close, or reach, the apex of my jumper at the top of the key 3-point shot, and a defender is beginning to closeout from behind the free throw line, Deadeye should be activating at this point, as he is too far away to truly affect my shot. There is no possible way that I should be receiving a D+ grade as if he were smothering me the entire time, but now I am with the change in the contested shot mechanism that Mike changed.

I meant to save some of the screens from my gameplay yesterday to show it, but I forgot.

[Tstone77]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

I get what you're saying. However, if you ever used the grade feedback on your shots, the grade itself pretty much lets you know what's open, slightly contested, and heavily contested.

Ex: I have HOF Deep Range and Midrange Deadeye. I've been playing for a long time, so I pretty much know the Deadeye mechanic. It activates on late closeouts. However, this change did something that seems to be overriding it. If I get close, or reach, the apex of my jumper at the top of the key 3-point shot, and a defender is beginning to closeout from behind the free throw line, Deadeye should be activating at this point, as he is too far away to truly affect my shot. There is no possible way that I should be receiving a D+ grade as if he were smothering me the entire time, but now I am with the change in the contested shot mechanism that Mike changed.

I meant to save some of the screens from my gameplay yesterday to show it, but I forgot.

That may be a glitch of some sort.A case of fixing one thing and breaking another? Especially if you're in the final motion in your shot.



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[Caelumfang]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

That may be a glitch of some sort.A case of fixing one thing and breaking another? Especially if you're in the final motion in your shot.



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I think it was done purposely, but that's just me. And what's worse is that people around here like this change, that they only have to give half effort and 5 feet of space on defense against shooters now, and it'll be counted as a full-on contest.

Sad that it's already come to this barely a month into the game, and honestly I think it's going to stick for the rest of the year.

[YaBoial]

Re: For those still saying sharpshooters are not op....

These shots are going in unlike last year because we could max out our defense. With no defense badges to negate their skill it's difficult to guard premier scorers in this game. This is what has caused a necessity for LDD on a team. Yeah we may play great defense but ratings are taken into account as well.

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