Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

[turty11]

So, let's talk play assignments. something that can completely change how "realistic" and flowing the game plays.

2k does play assignments so wrong it should be considered an art form.

nba.com literally has play tracking where you can assign plays to a player in about 30 seconds. No excuse for these to be wrong.

and how about rookies? sure there is no data for that but.

there are MANY rookie power forwards and centers with pick and roll ball handler and/or 3 point

pascal siakam: iso, PnR ball-handler, 3pt, mid
davis bertans: PnR ball-handler, iso, mid
dragon bender: 3pt, PnR wing, handoff
aj hammonds: PnR ball-handler, 3pt

and that doesnt even include the rest of them that i've already fixed so i no longer remember exactly what 2k had them with but it was nearly the exact same

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Sounds like they just slapped plays on players with no method or madness.

[ronyell]

Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Everything that you've been posting about has been the norm for the past three years at least. This is how our project became SO extensive and tedious because simply EVERYthing has to be revamped... every year.

EDIT: you should go back and listen to my podcast from last year. Attention to detail is one of the main issues with the series at this point. Oversights are excusable but jeez Louise.


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[turty11]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Everything that you've been posting about has been the norm for the past three years at least. This is how our project became SO extensive and tedious because simply EVERYthing has to be revamped... every year.

yep. i've been screaming about this since 2k12 or so. the 1st year i picked up the game.

would have been right here with you the past 3 years but i was banned from OS instead i just got myself blocked on twitter by 2k staff for criticizing them

[ronyell]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Like right now I'm editing the Pistons (Stanley Johnson) and I'm pretty certain by looking at it, some of his tendencies and Tobias Harris' are swapped from what 2K intended.


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[jayska23]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

How hard can it be to get a team of people that specialize in roster editing. It seems like they have one person doing it off the dome.

[turty11]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Like right now I'm editing the Pistons (Stanley Johnson) and I'm pretty certain by looking at it, some of his tendencies and Tobias Harris' are swapped from what 2K intended.


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i actually made a post like 2 days ago about stanley johnson post tendencies.

my favorites though are bigs who cant dribble yet have 99 setup with size up, and guys with 0 dunk tendencies who actually dunk or guys with dunk tendencies who dont dunk

i'm up through the pelicans for play assignments. i think in total i've not changed 3 players and they were "no name" point guards who only run pick and rolls

[ronyell]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Every post player more likely to do a left handed layup than a righty,... fade always out the roof. Funny if you really look at it.


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[turty11]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

stanley johnson ran over 100 pick and rolls as the ball handler and 70 isolations year yet his only play type is cutter..which he had 16 of

[BegBy]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Didn't Beds get a job with them doing rosters?

What's sad is it takes them a year to develop this mess every year. Leads me to believe they take 6 months off, or it does take them a year, and they are just that bad. Either way isn't surprising.

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Didn't Beds get a job with them doing rosters?

What's sad is it takes them a year to develop this mess every year. Leads me to believe they take 6 months off, or it does take them a year, and they are just that bad. Either way isn't surprising.

He got the job yes. But me thinks, doing a personal roster with the freedom to do it and rste as you please as a gamer is totally different than it is as an employee of 2k if you can dig what im saying. The game changes when you have to answer to people.

[ronyell]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

stanley johnson ran over 100 pick and rolls as the ball handler and 70 isolations year yet his only play type is cutter..which he had 16 of

I will say using the particular intel that you are using to gather play type info will not be accurate (not that 2k hit the nail on the head or anything), but what plays are labeled as in 2k are misleading and you can't simply use NBA.com's play type stats to determine what it needs to be in game. You have to know what the game reads each play type as in actuality and what is in the playbook.

[BegBy]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

He got the job yes. But me thinks, doing a personal roster with the freedom to do it and rste as you please as a gamer is totally different than it is as an employee of 2k if you can dig what im saying. The game changes when you have to answer to people.

I understand that, but at the same time it's just silly. It seems like guys get jobs, then they are completely silent (possibly a contract thing) and the game isn't really any better. Obviously this year it's regressed, but it's not like the rosters went from poop to awesome. They have been and still are poop. Arbitrary ratings, tendencies, badges and plays.

Some tendencies both roster edits and sliders, literally do nothing. I have noticed that shot contest does absolutely nothing. In the NBA guys contest/jump all the time. It's how guys get good looks. Pass to an open guy = head fake and then either drive, dish or shoot. In this years game the only time the cpu jumps is when you're in the paint or actually shooting. I have edited rosters with contest at 100 and the slider at 100 - not a single bite on a head fake unless you're in the pain or actually taking a shot. You can be Steph, wiiiiide open, already popped 4 three pointers and the defender coming to you will not even think about jumping unless you are actually shooting. I saw my first bite today. I was stoked, but then 2 defenders warped to me and bumped me off my dribble, so I shut the garbage off. It's unrealistic to never see guys jumping unless the guy actually shooting. How can they be that good at knowing what's a fake and what's a shot? It would open up the game a lot more. Test it and you'll see. What's the point of an attribute if it does nothing but actually ruin realism?

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

I understand that, but at the same time it's just silly. It seems like guys get jobs, then they are completely silent (possibly a contract thing) and the game isn't really any better. Obviously this year it's regressed, but it's not like the rosters went from poop to awesome. They have been and still are poop. Arbitrary ratings, tendencies, badges and plays.

Some tendencies both roster edits and sliders, literally do nothing. I have noticed that shot contest does absolutely nothing. In the NBA guys contest/jump all the time. It's how guys get good looks. Pass to an open guy = head fake and then either drive, dish or shoot. In this years game the only time the cpu jumps is when you're in the paint or actually shooting. I have edited rosters with contest at 100 and the slider at 100 - not a single bite on a head fake unless you're in the pain or actually taking a shot. You can be Steph, wiiiiide open, already popped 4 three pointers and the defender coming to you will not even think about jumping unless you are actually shooting. I saw my first bite today. I was stoked, but then 2 defenders warped to me and bumped me off my dribble, so I shut the garbage off. It's unrealistic to never see guys jumping unless the guy actually shooting. How can they be that good at knowing what's a fake and what's a shot? It would open up the game a lot more. Test it and you'll see. What's the point of an attribute if it does nothing but actually ruin realism?

Not saying this is the correct way to look at the Contest Rating, but do you think the lower the Contest i dividual rating the more apt the defender is to biting on a head fake? Meaning the higher the contest rating the better the player would be at closing out or contesting straight up? Also would On Ball D IQ play a role in biting on head fakes? Could be a situatiin where 2k simply doesn't have it implemented correctly kind of like the "charge" call or lack thereof.

[BegBy]

Re: Play Assignments: The thing 2k does wrong the best

Not saying this is the correct way to look at the Contest Rating, but do you think the lower the Contest i dividual rating the more apt the defender is to biting on a head fake? Meaning the higher the contest rating the better the player would be at closing out or contesting straight up? Also would On Ball D IQ play a role in biting on head fakes? Could be a situatiin where 2k simply doesn't have it implemented correctly kind of like the "charge" call or lack thereof.

Possibly. However even if you're correct, that doesn't explain the lack of bites unless you're legit shooting or in the paint. Just another thing they ruined this year. When 2K16 makes it look good - you know it's bad.