Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Saying Curry "picked up" anyone in that clip is a big stretch, IMO.

Even if he picked up the first guy he saw, he let him run by him and then shuffled out of bounds while guarding no one. IMO.

Meh, I guess 'lol' and all that...but I think we can all agree the clip is ugly and still throw a bit of logic in there.

It looked pretty clear (to me at least) he was heading toward West, West got picked up by whoever it was in the deep left hand corner ....then Curry just spazzes and takes himself out of the play completely.

Same thing happens in the half court...dont think its a stretch it would happen here...

[fluent2332]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Meh, I guess 'lol' and all that...I think we can all agree the clip is ugly and still throw a bit of logic in there.

It looked pretty clear (to me at least) he was heading toward West, West got picked up by whoever it was in the deep left hand corner ....then Curry just spazzes and takes himself out of the play completely.

Same thing happens in the half court...dont think its a stretch it would happen here...

I am just not sure if I'd call that "logic" when Curry runs away from the PG and then guards no one, etc. I see what you're saying, though. That particular video is really ugly, for sure.

But I will say that is not the way that blown rotations/defensive assignments should work. Again, the blown rotations, etc., should also be realistic. I am sure they will work on making that aspect better in the future.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Hang on. Arent you controlling Pachulia in that clip?

I'm controlling Pachulia but I'm talking about Curry in this clip. My opponent was turboing all game so I'm trying to run my center back to defend the paint, but the CPU Curry who should be the first line of defense doesn't even attempt to stop the drive because he's backpedaling out of bounds not even aware of where his man is.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

To be honest, it looks like the type of chaos that would ensue if any IRL NBA team lets a dude come down the middle with his defender running away.

Im not saying the logic is perfect, but I dont think this is the example to highlight it.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

As 24th letter said, your 'who to guard' is showing Zaza picking up Livingston. Curry does and should assume you will meet the ball handler. He only comes to help when that doesnt happen.

[fluent2332]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

To be honest, it looks like the type of chaos that would ensue if any IRL NBA team lets a dude come down the middle with his defender running away.

Im not saying the logic is perfect, but I dont think this is the example to highlight it.

Curry should be the defender, though. Come on, now.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Curry should be the defender, though. Come on, now.

Yeah. But that's a rotation problem. It's the CPU determining who's guarding who.

It's strange because it choose Pachulia to guard him as soon as Livingston gets the ball. It's as if that was a set match up.

[fluent2332]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

It's not a set match-up, though, because once Curry figures out what he should be doing, he sprints back to try and guard the PG.

It's a very odd "bug" (or whatever you want to call it), and I've seen a few other videos with similar situations happening.

[keshunleon]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Yeah. But that's a rotation problem. It's the CPU determining who's guarding who.

It's strange because it choose Pachulia to guard him as soon as Livingston gets the ball. It's as if that was a set match up.

Happens a lot in 2K16 & 2K17. A center will rarely pick up a PG at half court.

The only way to fix it is assign every player to a player. Offline no problem but can't do it online.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

It's not a set match-up, though, because once Curry figures out what he should be doing, he sprints back to try and guard the PG.

It's a very odd "bug" (or whatever you want to call it), and I've seen a few other videos with similar situations happening.

It's not a bug. It's Curry trying to pick him up because Pachulia hasnt.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Happens a lot in 2K16 & 2K17. A center will rarely pick up a PG at half court.

The only way to fix it is assign every player to a player. Offline no problem but can't do it online.

Im offline, and I can't remember having a guy wrongly assigned to another guy in the backcourt.

[fluent2332]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

It's not a wrong assignment. Curry just spazzes out and by the time he figures out who he should be guarding it's too late. Notice the defender in the corner behind Curry doesn't suddenly sprint to pick up the PG.

[emmanuelk1]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I don't want my players to get every steal, make the proper rotation every time and defend every pick and roll perfectly but the simple breakdowns that they have defensively is inexcusable. I'm talking stuff like this



The CPU can't even properly pick up its man in transition. It's literally backpedaling out of bounds, I mean come on now. And this is with my onball/offball settings set to Auto. I give up about 5-10+ points every game just off the strength of the AI being absolutely clueless about what they're supposed to do.

as i notice in the video the mistake is in you because you dont switch to pg as soon as the opponent inbound the ball. this is really not a big deal just how you play your game.

[benton32]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I was going to say the defense sometimes looks alil sloppy like guys will fade away from their opponent, or get burned easy,

all i gotta say is wow the scoring is alil to high for me.. I use the Blazers in a my league mode, and lately just for kicks ive been doing cpu vs cpu, and in our last 4 wins we have scored over 120 every game, my opponents are scoring at a avg rate but my team is going off, only time it seems somewhat real is when i simulate the game, but its nuts

yes i know portland can put up points, but this is crazy, even right now as i write this its 3 mins left in the 3rd and we are up on the Bulls 84-69 I know that dont seem to to bad but we will probably have 90 by the end of the qtr, and probably go on to get 115 or more, i keep lowering things like Offensive Awareness, Shot Success,

Usually i don't complain about winning and scoring but this gets it kinda boring,

[kabamaru]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I really can't believe the defense 2k receive's

Transition D is broken since last year

Defenders are clueless on guarding their players and people just sam half-court inbound passes like last year

Your ONLY chance is to switch to your big and try to reach back to your defense and try to stop the easy dunk.

The above video by Hustle is a perfect example of what is wrong in 2k defense

Curry has to guard a player. His defensive assignment is Livingston. For an unknown reason he goes all the way back to the bench, completely unaware where his defensive assignment is.

It is as clear as it gets. Yet a lot of you start finding excuses for 2k and blaming the user.

By the way, how do you know that the arrow shows that Pachulia should be guarding Livingston and not Varejao?
Livingston defended by Pachulia would make not sense at all, plus the arrow would show this way in any case as Varejao is right behind Livingston

Again, this is the second year in a row that players online abuse halfcourt inbound

But yes, the problem is Hustle that switched to his big to try to avoid getting dunked for the 20th time in a game