What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

[Yesh2kdone]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Just to chime in on that vid. Agent complaining about skills mattering is a bit confusing as all he does is find jump shots he can green release. We all have our own natural timing we like to use on jump shots and all he does is find the ones for him.

The problem with the "stick skills matter" promise, is that they made the archetype with the best dribbling so much faster than everyone else, so that spamming and glitching side to side to open up enough space to sprint around their much slower counterparts, is an actual successful strategy in park, which drains the fun out of it all year and made it unplayable for me.

Don't care about Yeezys, but I have no idea why they took the 2 best looking pairs of Kobe's out the game (the grey ones, and the white with flecks of colour - can't remember their names) to replace them with earlier, uglier kobe's.

I really wish people that aren't happy with the game would commit to not pre-ordering and only buying a pre-owned copy when they are available (like me), because record game and VC sales every year isn't going to encourage 2k to indulge in a spot of self introspection.

I won't be buying any vc at all in 2k18 and I've bought a ****load the last 2 years. Guys, if you're not happy with it then make a stand, but the same posters trashing it now (of which I have been one), will be posting here on midnight when the pre-order drops.

[Junior Moe]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

I really wish people that aren't happy with the game would commit to not pre-ordering and only buying a pre-owned copy when they are available (like me), because record game and VC sales every year isn't going to encourage 2k to indulge in a spot of self introspection.

I won't be buying any vc at all in 2k18 and I've bought a ****load the last 2 years. Guys, if you're not happy with it then make a stand, but the same posters trashing it now (of which I have been one), will be posting here on midnight wen the pre-order drops.

Very well said. And thank you expressing your discontent with action. I get that 2K17 wasn't the best and rightly deserves the criticism it got. But VA and fixeverything2k (if that's the case then just skip the damn game...) mercilessly complain about the game. It ain't that serious. Make your points and move on instead of thread after thread, and comment after comment of griping. Don't buy or preorder a product that clearly isn't up to your standards.

[FixEverything2k]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Very well said. And thank you expressing your discontent with action. I get that 2K17 wasn't the best and rightly deserves the criticism it got. But VA and fixeverything2k (if that's the case then just skip the damn game...) mercilessly complain about the game. It ain't that serious. Make your points and move on instead of thread after thread, and comment after comment of griping. Don't buy or preorder a product that clearly isn't up to your standards.

Just look at the poll results, it's up to the standards of about 11 percent of the near 150 people that voted.

I won't preorder the next game and in fact I didn't preorder this game. I got the game after it initially came out and I read reviews raving about the product, people said stick skills actually DID matter. And when I got the game, they actually DID matter. You can tell who could really dribble and who couldn't.

I only started using this account when, just like last game, they bombarded the game with patches and it ended up playing completely different than the original product. If 2k wants to swing me my full $80 CAD for the regular version I'll gladly never comment again, but they can't. If 2k wants to patch even half the things I comment about I'll move on, but the game is still broken.

Why would I post praise when everything there was to praise was nerfed or patched out the game? I'll let other people praise the game, look at my account name I'm here to talk about the flaws. If you buy a burger and you see them making the burger, you get it and it turns into a Ham sandwich you would say something hopefully.

Maybe I comment too much, or maybe you guys just don't comment enough and that's why 2k gets away with broken fundamental elements of the sport and switching the whole game on your headtops

[Junior Moe]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Just look at the poll results, it's up to the standards of about 11 percent of the near 150 people that voted.

I won't preorder the next game and in fact I didn't preorder this game. I got the game after it initially came out and I read reviews raving about the product, people said stick skills actually DID matter. And when I got the game, they actually DID matter. You can tell who could really dribble and who couldn't.

I only started using this account when, just like last game, they bombarded the game with patches and it ended up playing completely different than the original product. If 2k wants to swing me my full $80 CAD for the regular version I'll gladly never comment again, but they can't. If 2k wants to patch even half the things I comment about I'll move on, but the game is still broken.

Why would I post praise when everything there was to praise was nerfed or patched out the game? I'll let other people praise the game, look at my account name I'm here to talk about the flaws. If you buy a burger and you see them making the burger, you get it and it turns into a Ham sandwich you would say something hopefully.

Maybe I comment too much, or maybe you guys just don't comment enough and that's why 2k gets away with broken fundamental elements of the sport and switching the whole game on your headtops

Exactly, 150 people that voted. The games sold, what, 7 or 8 million copies. In addition, criscism either here, twitter and even Amazon have hammered the game on its problems. Rightly so. People should voice their displeasere. 2K would have to be blind, deaf and dumb to not have heard it all.

That being said, mercilessly attacking the product doesn't fix anything. You have your gripes. Cool. We all do. Post them and hope its seen and/or addressed with the next installment or maybe a patch. Beating the game just because is tired. You say you're here to post about the flaws. Ok. Point them out and hopefully a remedy and see what happens. If all you have are gripes then put the game down.

I probably own every sport game in this site. I don't comment much on their forums because I'm either content with the game or I'm waiting to see whether they improve enough for me to purchase them again. I don't go there to poo poo on the people who enjoy them for what they are. That's not cool. I state my opinion likes/dislikes and leave it alone.

[FixEverything2k]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Exactly, 150 people that voted. The games sold, what, 7 or 8 million copies. In addition, criscism either here, twitter and even Amazon have hammered the game on its problems. Rightly so. People should voice their displeasere. 2K would have to be blind, deaf and dumb to not have heard it all.

That being said, mercilessly attacking the product doesn't fix anything. You have your gripes. Cool. We all do. Post them and hope its seen and/or addressed with the next installment or maybe a patch. Beating the game just because is tired. You say you're here to post about the flaws. Ok. Point them out and hopefully a remedy and see what happens. If all you have are gripes then put the game down.

I probably own every sport game in this site. I don't comment much on their forums because I'm either content with the game or I'm waiting to see whether they improve enough for me to purchase them again. I don't go there to poo poo on the people who enjoy them for what they are. That's not cool. I state my opinion likes/dislikes and leave it alone.

If there are still issues that are fixable that are still in the game they aren't hearing about it enough to actually make a change. I don't see Devs on Amazon, Devs get enough questions on Twitter so I post here, where if they want to make an Improvement on the game they can read the title of the thread and see what my Issue is. I don't bash the game just because, I point out specific flaws, I've never unreasonably criticized 2k. Is this not what the forums are for? To discuss the game? If I point them out and nothing happens of course I have to bring it up again or they'll feel like people are content with the game, and not make changes (Which is exactly why I keep posting because they aren't making changes, so they must think people are content). I don't stop other people from praising the game they can go ahead and do their thing, but if parts of the game are broken, then parts of the game are broken. If there's no thread about a part of the game I notice I'm going to start one.

I'm not one to throw the Chefs dish back into the kitchen usually but if it is consistent problems like 2k has had, then they have the audacity to maul my startup screen with a 10% vc sale asking for more money, then it's not reasonable I ask for more productivity. If it's 2k saying 'Foot Planting etc.' and then CPU defenders skating and warping 3 months later I'm going to say something because this isn't what was advertised.

It's not like they can't do it they've done it before, they did it on release date then changed it. My entire PS4 was purchased solely for 2k, I don't expect a perfect game but I expect better from people who've done better.

[Junior Moe]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

My man, who are you to say what is or isn't fixable? You don't know what all goes into this stuff. If it were easy I imagine they would patch it up real quick. Who does them sitting back and deliberately not fixing a problem benefit? They seem a little too overzelous with fixing things with the number of patches and shooting tweaks we have seen. Look at Mike Wang trying to satisfy everyone only to pi** off another sect of 2K gamers.

Yeah, this is a forum. It's for discussion. You plainly said that you were here to point out flaws. Ok. That's your prerogative. But there's a time and place for it. There are threads for it

= If I point them out and nothing happens of course I have to bring it up again or they'll feel like people are content with the game, and not make changes (Which is exactly why I keep posting because they aren't making changes, so they must think people are content).

That's crazy. You're not the only person with the game and have issues. And isn't that trolling or agenda posting? Whatever, I'm not a mod so I don't care. Point is that you constantly bickering about something after stating it once doesn't change anything or implore 2k to do it any more or less. They have community people. The devs visit here. They collect feedback and do whatever it is they do with it.

Finally, as far as VC sales and stuff what makes you think that one thing has anything to do with the other? What, because you have gripes (we all do) and the game this year has been a buggy (and it has) they shouldn't advertise VC? I hate seeing that update required box after loading into ML. Then have to back out to get rid of it only to see some MyPark stuff advertised. I hope they change that. I have stated I'd like to see that changed t in the appropriate places and leave it at that.

[FixEverything2k]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

My man, who are you to say what is or isn't fixable? You don't know what all goes into this stuff. If it were easy I imagine they would patch it up real quick. Who does them sitting back and deliberately not fixing a problem benefit? They seem a little too overzelous with fixing things with the number of patches and shooting tweaks we have seen. Look at Mike Wang trying to satisfy everyone only to pi** off another sect of 2K gamers.

Yeah, this is a forum. It's for discussion. You plainly said that you were here to point out flaws. Ok. That's your prerogative. But there's a time and place for it. There are threads for it



That's crazy. You're not the only person with the game and have issues. And isn't that trolling or agenda posting? Whatever, I'm not a mod so I don't care. Point is that you constantly bickering about something after stating it once doesn't change anything or implore 2k to do it any more or less. They have community people. The devs visit here. They collect feedback and do whatever it is they do with it.

Finally, as far as VC sales and stuff what makes you think that one thing has anything to do with the other? What, because you have gripes (we all do) and the game this year has been a buggy (and it has) they shouldn't advertise VC? I hate seeing that update required box after loading into ML. Then have to back out to get rid of it only to see some MyPark stuff advertised. I hope they change that. I have stated I'd like to see that changed t in the appropriate places and leave it at that.

An example of something fixable is the dribbling and the CPU defender reactions to the dribbling. When the game first released there wasn't any clunkiness and slowness at all. With the right sliders you can get a similar to release feel. But in modes where you don't have slider editing available you're stuck with the new dribbling. They could fix this, and in fact they did a bit in one of the patches, but then they slowly tuned it until it was worse than the original patch. If they did it before on the same game why can't they do it again?

There's an abundance of shooting tweaks but shooting is one part of a multi dimensional sport.

And how is me bringing up problems trolling or agenda posting? This thread asked if they delivered on promises (Better Foot Planting, stick skills matter) And I'm saying they didn't. They do have community people to collect feedback, and I'm here giving feedback. Just because my comments aren't praising 2k doesn't mean I'm not leaving actual questions or comments that the 2k devs can't look at and notice the flaws im pointing out.

Similarly I can ask how people posting praise helps 2k do anything, but I know the forum is for both criticism and praise.

They can go ahead and advertise VC. But upon startup when I'm going to go work on sliders to workaround the promises they didn't deliver on like footplanting, I'd rather my screen not pause me to flash a 10% VC sale.

[nuckles2k2]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

My man, who are you to say what is or isn't fixable? You don't know what all goes into this stuff. If it were easy I imagine they would patch it up real quick. Who does them sitting back and deliberately not fixing a problem benefit? They seem a little too overzelous with fixing things with the number of patches and shooting tweaks we have seen. Look at Mike Wang trying to satisfy everyone only to pi** off another sect of 2K gamers.

Yeah, this is a forum. It's for discussion. You plainly said that you were here to point out flaws. Ok. That's your prerogative. But there's a time and place for it. There are threads for it



That's crazy. You're not the only person with the game and have issues. And isn't that trolling or agenda posting? Whatever, I'm not a mod so I don't care. Point is that you constantly bickering about something after stating it once doesn't change anything or implore 2k to do it any more or less. They have community people. The devs visit here. They collect feedback and do whatever it is they do with it.

Finally, as far as VC sales and stuff what makes you think that one thing has anything to do with the other? What, because you have gripes (we all do) and the game this year has been a buggy (and it has) they shouldn't advertise VC? I hate seeing that update required box after loading into ML. Then have to back out to get rid of it only to see some MyPark stuff advertised. I hope they change that. I have stated I'd like to see that changed t in the appropriate places and leave it at that.

Not taking either side in this back n forth, but your first couple of lines in this post caught my attention.

Coming from a software engineering background, sometimes we struggle with "what is or isn't fixable?" when under time constraints

It's the fickle nature of code. A dev can almost always find a way to make something functional, but that doesn't mean it's "fixed" & is in the most optimal state. I think you're both kinda right.

I do think the devs are attempting innovations & to give us the best game possible, in an absurdly swollen codebase (speculation on my part, but there's a reason legacy issues date back to the previous consoles) -- while time constraints don't give the engineers time to prune the codebase.

Think of it like an app that has 3 digit (semantic) versioning, i.e. version - #.#.# & every 2K that has come out since...I dunno, lets say 2K9 changes the middle number, but we're still on the same major version:

1.0.0 - 1.0.1 - 1.0.2
1.1.0 - 1.1.1 - 1.1.2 - 1.1.3
1.2.0 - 1.2.1 - 1.2.2 - 1.2.3
1.3.0 - 1.3.1 - 1.3.2 - 1.3.3

etc.

Patches are changes to the minor version (middle number) & show up as the 3rd number.

Public facing, each release of 2K is a brand new game and starts at 1.00. But in-house, what's the number at? 1.10.0?

2K is an annual release, so of course they won't have time to dedicate the whole team to transitioning to a fresh version 2.0.0, but I have a sneaking suspicion this is why 2K17 functioned so beautifully at early release, then all of the patches gave people things to complain about, many of which weren't new issues. The delicate adjustments made before the game goes gold can easily be undone by additional, even pre-planned, patches that are tested before they're submitted & pushed live. Functional vs optimal is the never ending tug-o-war, with functional almost always winning post-production.

Maybe programming a game is wholly different from programming apps, and 2K can prove my assumptions to be dead wrong, but if they are adding/subtracting & tweaking an already bloated codebase, I don't expect the foundation of the series to change anytime soon. Meaning, more innovations, more promises, more games that play one way at early launch, and then differently post-patches.

Really wanna be wrong about that tho.

[Dmanning2]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

MyTeam is the priority, unfortunately I don't think we will ever get the game we want with MyTeam/VC bringing in so much revenue.

It would be the equivalent of your state removing the state lottery to focus on improve side walks/streets...never going to happen

[Junior Moe]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Not taking either side in this back n forth, but your first couple of lines in this post caught my attention.

Coming from a software engineering background, sometimes we struggle with "what is or isn't fixable?" when under time constraints

It's the fickle nature of code. A dev can almost always find a way to make something functional, but that doesn't mean it's "fixed" & is in the most optimal state. I think you're both kinda right.

I do think the devs are attempting innovations & to give us the best game possible, in an absurdly swollen codebase (speculation on my part, but there's a reason legacy issues date back to the previous consoles) -- while time constraints don't give the engineers time to prune the codebase.

Think of it like an app that has 3 digit (semantic) versioning, i.e. version - #.#.# & every 2K that has come out since...I dunno, lets say 2K9 changes the middle number, but we're still on the same major version:

1.0.0 - 1.0.1 - 1.0.2
1.1.0 - 1.1.1 - 1.1.2 - 1.1.3
1.2.0 - 1.2.1 - 1.2.2 - 1.2.3
1.3.0 - 1.3.1 - 1.3.2 - 1.3.3

etc.

Patches are changes to the minor version (middle number) & show up as the 3rd number.

Public facing, each release of 2K is a brand new game and starts at 1.00. But in-house, what's the number at? 1.10.0?

2K is an annual release, so of course they won't have time to dedicate the whole team to transitioning to a fresh version 2.0.0, but I have a sneaking suspicion this is why 2K17 functioned so beautifully at early release, then all of the patches gave people things to complain about, many of which weren't new issues. The delicate adjustments made before the game goes gold can easily be undone by additional, even pre-planned, patches that are tested before they're submitted & pushed live. Functional vs optimal is the never ending tug-o-war, with functional almost always winning post-production.

Maybe programming a game is wholly different from programming apps, and 2K can prove my assumptions to be dead wrong, but if they are adding/subtracting & tweaking an already bloated codebase, I don't expect the foundation of the series to change anytime soon. Meaning, more innovations, more promises, more games that play one way at early launch, and then differently post-patches.

Really wanna be wrong about that tho.

That's the thing. I know this is a complex undertaking. It's why I don't make gross leaps about what is or isn't fixable. I dont do that for any game. Outside of functionally game breaking stuff like the game hanging on the team logo screen back in Dec/Jan. Thats unacceptable! That's broken. 2k nerfing dribbling or shooting, while rage inducing for some, was welcomed by others. If they tuned it that way then maybe its the way they want it to function. Its not "broken" or needs to be fixed because you (not you, any individual) dont like it.I want tattoos for rookies in ML. They're in for your MC player. In my mind that should be easy? But I just don't know so I refrain from assuming things.

I hate the dribbling since they broke it up. I liked the old way better both mechanically and visually as it really showed off signature handles. Everybody's handles look so similar to me now. I hope they change it or give us an option. Again, I don't know what all goes into getting the things I want. I state it and hope its addressed in the future.

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Just to chime in on that vid. Agent complaining about skills mattering is a bit confusing as all he does is find jump shots he can green release. We all have our own natural timing we like to use on jump shots and all he does is find the ones for him.

He does it because that's how you win games lol. Do you expect him to find the jumpshot with the least amount of green releases and use that?

[twebb5896]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

He does it because that's how you win games lol. Do you expect him to find the jumpshot with the least amount of green releases and use that?

Agent is a cheeser too, i'd say 90% of 2K Youtubers are now. So I don't know how he can complain about "stick skills" when he relies on exploits to win just like most of the 2K community. When stick skills matter will be when players like him and those annoying "dribble gods" are put back at the bottom tier where they belong.

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[VAWereWolf65]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Agent is a cheeser too, i'd say 90% of 2K Youtubers are now. So I don't know how he can complain about "stick skills" when he relies on exploits to win just like most of the 2K community. When stick skills matter will be when players like him and those annoying "dribble gods" are put back at the bottom tier where they belong.

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He's stated multiple times that his biggest wish for 2k18 is for stick skills to matter and for there to be a bigger skills gap. If 90% of the 2k community cheeses, he's not gonna be winning many games if he doesn't cheese as well. MyPark isn't even basketball anymore which is really annoying but if stick skills mattered it would be a lot better

[EveretteWarren]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Nah man overall this is probably the worst 2k I've played. I wanted to believe that this was better than '16 but last month I realized '16 is better than this game in many aspects.

As a park player I'm highly disappointed in what they brought us this year.
Same parks (looks a lot worse than last years too), same gameplay just with archetypes. And honestly I'm not a fan of archetypes either. I wish park was more like '15 and '16, more so '15.

As far as patches go I'm still confused on why they focused so much on Limitless Range and didn't touch Bruck Wall ONE TIME. The most OP badge in the game hands down. Yes, more OP than limitless range. First 2k game screens has been this big of an issue. The main issue imo.

Gameplay wise, I hate the shooting. I don't care if they keep greens or take them out. That doesn't affect me. What does is that they kept changing the shooting and that it's not balanced, at all.

For example last night I was playing with a lockdown, he was guarding a playmaker (with a 73 3-point rating). Sometime in the middle of the game the playmaker pulled a 3 in his FACE, and cashed it. All net. I've seen Sharpshooters air ball shots when they have the space or even on late contests. Makes absolutely no sense.

Like I said earlier, I'm no fan of archetypes. I loved it when we could do everything, but at the same time, maybe there should be a limit. But not to the point where it is now. It bugs me to know that even though it says. I'm a 96 in park/career but I'm really a 80 something. Fix it, 2k I know y'all can lol

One more thing, if we don't have body types or new hairstyles next year I'll be highly disappointed at that and watchout for LIVE man I heard their game is actually playable this year haha

[twebb5896]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

He's stated multiple times that his biggest wish for 2k18 is for stick skills to matter and for there to be a bigger skills gap. If 90% of the 2k community cheeses, he's not gonna be winning many games if he doesn't cheese as well. MyPark isn't even basketball anymore which is really annoying but if stick skills mattered it would be a lot better

I don't cheese at all and before I stopped playing park I had 500 wins to 100 losses. The idea of joining the rat race that is "cheese" shows a lack of skill. The "everyone else is doing it" argument isn't good enough to justify exploiting a game. I guarantee next year Agent and the rest of the cheese community will have vids up about exploit within the first week that 2K will have to patch.

The community destroyed this game, specifically the Youtubers and their followers. They will exploit anything and everything and make 2K patch working good gameplay mechanics into oblivion.

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