The lack of a REAL NBA 2K TUTORIAL mode is killing the community!

[youngprince41]

I've been reading many threads about the 2k community being bad and because of the lack of basketball IQ it cause's them to exploit dribble moves and other gameplay mechanics. What 2K needs to do is actually add in a REAL tutorial mode. Don't just show people what button to press, actually put people in real situations. If it's passing on fastbreaks, put people in fastbreak situations where if you make the right pass you earn more points and lose points for making the wrong one's. If it's dribbling, put people in situations where a crossover is needed or a spin move and you have to do it at the right time in order to get pass your defender. Even defense, teach people the fundamentals to basketball and it will show online. If you really want to attract people towards this mode then just give VC rewards for every part you complete and have reward tiers such as Bronze, Silver and Gold. That will make players want to do better in this tutorial mode in order to unlock higher vc rewards or even items. I've seen this implemented so well in other sports games and because basketball is so fast paced it should have been added in. 2KU is literally just throwing people into a 5v5 game and showing you random buttons you can press to do certain things but it's not showing people how to implement them properly or WHEN to implement them. Just take a step back and think about this for a minute... Have you ever learned something on 2K or did you have to go to YOUTUBE to learn how to do something on 2K? When you realize that the majority of the stuff you learned was from YOUTUBE or FORUMS then you can understand why the community is "bad". I love NBA 2K and I love basketball so let's make this game great. Leave your opinions of how the tutorial mode should work down low.

PS: We still need better gameplay mechanics in order for this to work even better.

[TGsoGood]

Re: The lack of a REAL NBA 2K TUTORIAL mode is killing the community!

Love this idea

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[Roxy2300]

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People aren't going to want to play tutorials especially if they know how to play the game already, unless they add new moves that need further instruction I don't see them doing that, every year there is something exploited no matter what game it is thats never going to change, 2k needs to address the real problems with their games & thats the server and all the patches they put out that are ruining the game


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[MrBallaBoy21]

Re: The lack of a REAL NBA 2K TUTORIAL mode is killing the community!

People aren't going to want to play tutorials especially if they know how to play the game already, unless they add new moves that need further instruction I don't see them doing that, every year there is something exploited no matter what game it is thats never going to change, 2k needs to address the real problems with their games & thats the server and all the patches they put out that are ruining the game


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It works for Madden. They have a basic controls explanation, and even go into offensive concepts.

They even tied it into Ultimate Team by giving you some starter packs and it gives you achievement unlocks as well.

If implemented well I would welcome it. But with the inevitability of 2KTV, MyPark events, and the 2k All Star Tournament there probably won't be any space to put something like that in.

I'd rather have them not put it in at all instead of putting in a bare bones tutorial with no rewards.

[Roxy2300]

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It works for Madden. They have a basic controls explanation, and even go into offensive concepts.

They even tied it into Ultimate Team by giving you some starter packs and it gives you achievement unlocks as well.

If implemented well I would welcome it. But with the inevitability of 2KTV, MyPark events, and the 2k All Star Tournament there probably won't be any space to put something like that in.

I'd rather have them not put it in at all instead of putting in a bare bones tutorial with no rewards.

Ya if they actually put effort into something like that I would try it out but I don't see that happening, everything 2k is doing right now is half assed because they don't have any competition, 2k before live started going downhill were the better games


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[Thunderhorse]

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I'd rather have them not put it in at all instead of putting in a bare bones tutorial with no rewards.

As it is now, the community has had to pick up the burden of educating itself on the mechanics of this game.

We have an environment where it's hard to find factual, fundamental information on how the mechanics of the game work in relation to user inputs because every youtuber has an opinion and there's no base to work from.

I've noticed that the skill range of the general user in 2K is wide. Some guys can't do anything, some guys can do everything, and most people are in between. This creates a personal curiosity within myself to question whether or not 2K's decision to neglect educating us on the more intricate mechanics of the game is part of a deeper strategy to reward users who put in more time.

[youngprince41]

Re: The lack of a REAL NBA 2K TUTORIAL mode is killing the community!

People aren't going to want to play tutorials especially if they know how to play the game already, unless they add new moves that need further instruction I don't see them doing that, every year there is something exploited no matter what game it is thats never going to change, 2k needs to address the real problems with their games & thats the server and all the patches they put out that are ruining the game


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That's the whole point of rewards and just because you played the last installment of the game does not mean your just automatically know how to play the next one. I'm sure everyone had to play NBA 2K17 for awhile to get use to it. I know I did. Lot's of new things added so you just can't jump to the conclusion that no one will play it. If you actually make it work like how Madden tutorials work I believe people would play it.

[Roxy2300]

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That's the whole point of rewards and just because you played the last installment of the game does not mean your just automatically know how to play the next one. I'm sure everyone had to play NBA 2K17 for awhile to get use to it. I know I did. Lot's of new things added so you just can't jump to the conclusion that no one will play it. If you actually make it work like how Madden tutorials work I believe people would play it.

If you don't know how to play basketball then you shouldn't be playing because its the same thing every year just a different person on the cover and new animations, if you need a tutorial to learn all that you must be a beginner aha i've been playing 2k since 2k6 not a whole lot has changed gameplay wise, they added some animations, upgraded the graphics, added some different controller schemes and modes but if you were to put 2k6,7,8 etc in your doing the same things


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[youngprince41]

Re: The lack of a REAL NBA 2K TUTORIAL mode is killing the community!

If you don't know how to play basketball then you shouldn't be playing because its the same thing every year just a different person on the cover and new animations, if you need a tutorial to learn all that you must be a beginner aha i've been playing 2k since 2k6 not a whole lot has changed gameplay wise, they added some animations, upgraded the graphics, added some different controller schemes and modes but if you were to put 2k6,7,8 etc in your doing the same things


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I've never played soccer or football ever in my life. But because of the TUTORIALS on Madden and Fifa not only did I learn the fundamentals but I learned the rules also. Which made me a BETTER player. So no, just because you've never played the sport doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to play it in video game form. I think that's just bashing newcomers.

[Breakstarter]

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There should be indicators on a fast break...lets say you have a guard who goes to the left corner, a forward who goes to the right corner and there's a defender in the paint to stop the break, indicators should pop up on the users screen pointing to who's open. The user should get a boost in teammate grade for making the right decision and receive a significant drop in grade for making a poor decision. Dropping a whole grade will deter users from making poor choices. This will definitely help in walk on pro am where its an every man for himself mentality. If users HAVE TO MAKE GOOD BASKETBALL DECISIONS This will encourage the community as a whole to play better. Too many times when my crew isn't on and i need my basketball fix, i run walk on only to feel like the "random" in the walk on. People will buddy ball you to death, or The I.Q. of the teams are so bad that it makes you want to quit.

Also i think an awesome idea would be If for pro am you gave users different tiers of the Floor General Badge & The Defensive Anchor only upgradeable through constant teammate B+ grade and making great offensive and Defensive basketball decision on the court in ONLINE ONLY play. This would include:

1) picking up on an open player even though he isn't your assigned opponent if he has a wide open look.

2)Giving an increase to teammate grade to players who get back on defense

3)Giving an increase to teammate grade for closing out on shooters in a shooting situation.

4) If all 5 people in a walk on/Pro Am decide to play zone defense 2K should NOT penalize users for guarding a specific area in a zone.

5) There should windows of opportunitys showcased in the grade system. I think of it like the Perfect active Reload system used in Gears of War for Xbox.

Active Reload is a feature that was popularized by the Gears of War series. It is a minigame that changes the reloading mechanism of the held weapon. By tapping the Right Bumper once, a player can manually reload their gun rather than wait for the current clip/magazine/projectile to run out of ammo

Basically i feel like in basketball there are windows of opportunity that make or break a possession. Like Says if you're a sharpshooter and your team sets you up with a series of screens for you to run around a la Rip Hamilton/Ray Allen and you get free in the corner or top of the key, theres a small window of opportunity in which whoever has the ball needs to get you the ball so you can get your shot off. If you dont get the ball at the proper moment, you'll miss the chance at a clean shot and if it's late you may get a shot off, but it will most likely lead to a heavily contested shot.

Things of that nature ...specifically dealing with users having the chance to hit their teammates at the right moment can be a great teaching moment for this franchise and would encourage the community as whole to play better and smarter and would change the perception of the entire 2k community as a whole.

Yes there are quite a few of us in the community who know basketball and might feel don't need help, but there's a whole new generation of players out there who are new to basketball, and 2k in general. Why not put them in the right direction with these few steps mentioned above?

[TGsoGood]

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Check out Da Czar's videos on youtube. He really breaks down basketball concepts within 2K.

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[Thunderhorse]

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I've never played soccer or football ever in my life. But because of the TUTORIALS on Madden and Fifa not only did I learn the fundamentals but I learned the rules also. Which made me a BETTER player. So no, just because you've never played the sport doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to play it in video game form. I think that's just bashing newcomers.

You're perspective is sound.

Madden breaks down fundamentals even though the game significantly lacks the animations to make them really matter. The point is, they try. They even get as specific as teaching the concepts of something as basic as the Power Run play.

I get frustrated at times with the pick and roll. Sometimes I can tell the computer wants me to throw a specific pass (A Lob, a Bounce, an Alley, etc.) but I am too ignorant of body positioning in relation to angles to instinctively make the correct decision without having to "process".

Madden took the "processing" out of it for the casual user and allows them to watch the play back and see what's wrong. They can cross reference the tutorials and documented mechanics with their gameplay, find potential issues, and correct them. 2K actually has the animations to back up the fundamentals they aim to simulate, but it's hard to take advantage of them because of the lack of information out there.

[Thunderhorse]

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They don't educate us for the same reason the announcers were still calling me "Freq" in MyCareer - they don't have time and they're rushing a game out each year.

2K's last football game was my favorite sports game of all time. I put more time into that game over a number of years than I have devoted to any other game, ever.

Half of the game controls weren't even put on the disc, we (the community) had to go on the internet and find the advanced controls from documentations of earlier versions of the game.

You're probably right. Even different niches have illustrated this.

[quitdabull]

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Nba 2k12 if i remember correctly had an in depth tutorial mode.

Just bring that one back

[jyoung]

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Check out Da Czar's videos on youtube. He really breaks down basketball concepts within 2K.

Problem is, 2K doesn't promote Czar's videos at all, and if you're on YouTube searching for 2K tutorials, all you're going to find are "DRIBBLE GAWD ANKLE BREAKER COMBOS" and "GREEN LIGHT CUSTOM JUMPER" videos.