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  • #1
    Impetuous65
    MVP
    • Feb 2015
    • 1452

    A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


    EDIT: 8/4/17

    Thank you again Scott and DaCzar for doing this, I really appreciate this, keep it coming.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#3d982f04d66a
    There's even a defensive assist setting that you can enable that tells your player what he should be doing mid-play. It's an unobtrusive message that appears over the human-controlled player that says things like "get back," or "stop the ball." It can be really helpful for those who may not know defensive assignments.



    EDIT: 8/4/17
    Looks like we are getting Def Visual Aids...Thank You Scott and DaCzar, unlike George and Weezy we're not moving on up, but we're moving in the right direction




    New coach communication option is a visual that will help you on defense with visual shoutouts (switch!)



    When on offense, you know how you have those "white" circles underneath the player indicating who to pass it to. Well, what if when you have ACE "ON" and the focus of the offense change and the coach is asking you to run the play through a particular player. Why don't Visual Concepts change the color underneath the player to let say green, signaling to the end user that we are now running the offense through Anthony Davis.

    Circle color will tell you the play type. This is for freelance offense

    Green = Post Play
    Red = 3 point Play
    Yellow = Mid Range
    Purple = Pick/Screen Play

    In 2K16 I can't remember which button at the moment, but if you had your ACE on, if you hit that button on the inbounds, you will see the coach change the focus of the offense which was great.

    And because 2K has so many defensive schemes and some team specific, it is incumbent upon visual concepts to let the end user know what type of scheme he is in so that he/she can work in concert with the AI. On offense you get notification of your freelance or plays via dialogue box, we need this on defense as well.

    We also need play art, but in a different way on Defense.

    If you select a player on defense, you get a momentary icon pop up over your player to tell you how you are supposed to defend this match up

    When you select a player defending Devin Booker you get a "D/U" pop over the or under the player to let you know you are "Denying and going Under on Screens" for Devin Booker. You switch to another player and "T/O" pops over their head you know you're playing Tight and going Over on screens. This also works for offball stuff also. Again this is mometary display to reduce clutter on screen, on screen for a couple of seconds.

    Of course this can be turned off, but i would love for this to be available for players especially on Defense so we know what we are doing in the scheme.
    Last edited by Impetuous65; 08-05-2017, 07:41 AM.
  • #2
    SonicMage
    NBA Ratings Wizard
    • Oct 2002
    • 3544

    Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


    Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

    I think these are good suggestions, but there should definitely be an option to switch them off. Hardcore, competitive types might not want this much assistance.

    The only little thing I'd change is to use iconography instead of abbreviations like "D/U". Helps get around localization issues, is slightly more readable, and makes things less confusing, e.g. "D? What does D stand for?"
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    • #3
      Impetuous65
      MVP
      • Feb 2015
      • 1452

      Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


      Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

      Originally posted by SonicMage
      I think these are good suggestions, but there should definitely be an option to switch them off. Hardcore, competitive types might not want this much assistance.

      The only little thing I'd change is to use iconography instead of abbreviations like "D/U". Helps get around localization issues, is slightly more readable, and makes things less confusing, e.g. "D? What does D stand for?"
      My dude this is the first time in my wishlist that you made me aware of localization. I knew of it, but didn't think beyond my region.

      Yes, having the option to have it display for the novice and not for the hardcore will always be an option. But, because Scott has programmed so many schemes, I don't think a hardcore player will benefit from turning it off.

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      • #4
        TheDuggler
        Pro
        • Sep 2012
        • 728

        Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


        Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

        In a kind of related note:


        I really hope they redo the on the fly coaching menus, they are INSANELY BAD. They are all but unreadable with the words being drawn is all different directions.

        I can't imagine a worse implementation, and its especially confusing since they had much better systems in the past. Remember when you could bring up a small stats sheet with hot/cold on it? I miss that.

        2k please

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        • #5
          Impetuous65
          MVP
          • Feb 2015
          • 1452

          Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


          Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

          Originally posted by TheDuggler
          In a kind of related note:


          I really hope they redo the on the fly coaching menus, they are INSANELY BAD. They are all but unreadable with the words being drawn is all different directions.

          I can't imagine a worse implementation, and its especially confusing since they had much better systems in the past. Remember when you could bring up a small stats sheet with hot/cold on it? I miss that.

          2k please
          I pray to Zeus and Jesus the on the fly coaching menus work this year.

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          • #6
            Impetuous65
            MVP
            • Feb 2015
            • 1452

            Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


            Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

            Old Video on how I would like to see A.C.E. on Show the Defense you're in, just like the offense, in addition to the Player match up play art.
            <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/m2gvPLmrO7Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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            • #7
              jk31
              MVP
              • Sep 2014
              • 2672

              Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


              Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

              Originally posted by SonicMage
              I think these are good suggestions, but there should definitely be an option to switch them off. Hardcore, competitive types might not want this much assistance.
              But how do you get to know how ACE wants you to defend an opposing player? You cannot look it up anywhere.

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              • #8
                SonicMage
                NBA Ratings Wizard
                • Oct 2002
                • 3544

                Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                Originally posted by jk31
                But how do you get to know how ACE wants you to defend an opposing player? You cannot look it up anywhere.
                You handle scouting reports before the game and if you control the whole team, then set the defensive matchups, options, and schemes yourself, just like the real pros do. Hence why I said for the hardcore players.

                One other way it can lean towards "sim", if you will, would be to get feedback from the coach during dead balls and timeouts if you are somehow failing to stick to the gameplan, in a more in-depth manner than the current useless chatter you hear from that assistant coach on the bench.
                NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                Link to Ratings All-time

                Discussion found here

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                • #9
                  Impetuous65
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2015
                  • 1452

                  Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                  Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                  Originally posted by SonicMage
                  You handle scouting reports before the game and if you control the whole team, then set the defensive matchups, options, and schemes yourself, just like the real pros do. Hence why I said for the hardcore players.

                  One other way it can lean towards "sim", if you will, would be to get feedback from the coach during dead balls and timeouts if you are somehow failing to stick to the gameplan, in a more in-depth manner than the current useless chatter you hear from that assistant coach on the bench.
                  The guy you posted made a very valid point. The problem with your statement is, we don't know if you setting up your defense in the settings work in concert with the defensive schemes.

                  e.g shrink the floor, we've been told what this mean "off ball gap, go under on screens and a hard hedge. Now if you are setting your defensive settings to something completely different than what the scheme prescribes are you messing up the defense. This is what we have been asking all year long and never got an answer.

                  So no matter how hardcore you are and think you know every position setting in the game, the game has to work properly to make such a definitive statement.

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                  • #10
                    SonicMage
                    NBA Ratings Wizard
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 3544

                    Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                    Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                    Originally posted by Impetuous65
                    The guy you posted made a very valid point. The problem with your statement is, we don't know if you setting up your defense in the settings work in concert with the defensive schemes.

                    e.g shrink the floor, we've been told what this mean "off ball gap, go under on screens and a hard hedge. Now if you are setting your defensive settings to something completely different than what the scheme prescribes are you messing up the defense. This is what we have been asking all year long and never got an answer.

                    So no matter how hardcore you are and think you know every position setting in the game, the game has to work properly to make such a definitive statement.
                    I don't get what you're saying. The defensive settings and matchups menus have an Auto choice for every single option. If you have that set, the A.I. system decides what to run with. If you set it to something manually, that overrides anything the A.I. tries to do. If you have a manual setting and the A.I. does something different, then that's a bug.
                    Last edited by SonicMage; 07-01-2017, 11:27 AM.
                    NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

                    Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
                    Link to Ratings 1996-2017
                    Link to Ratings 1973-1996
                    Link to Ratings All-time

                    Discussion found here

                    Comment

                    • #11
                      Impetuous65
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2015
                      • 1452

                      Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                      Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                      Looks like we are getting Def Visual Aids...Thank You Scott and DaCzar, unlike George and Weezy we're not moving on up, but we're moving in the right direction



                      New coach communication option is a visual that will help you on defense with visual shoutouts (switch!)

                      Comment

                      • #12
                        Impetuous65
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2015
                        • 1452

                        Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                        Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                        Thank you again Scott and DaCzar for doing this, I really appreciate this, keep it coming.

                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#4ba5075d4d66
                        There's even a defensive assist setting that you can enable that tells your player what he should be doing mid-play. It's an unobtrusive message that appears over the human-controlled player that says things like "get back," or "stop the ball." It can be really helpful for those who may not know defensive assignments.

                        Comment

                        • #13
                          Impetuous65
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2015
                          • 1452

                          Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                          Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                          So far Defense Visual Aids

                          Switch
                          Get Back
                          Stop the Ball
                          I Got Ball
                          ICE
                          Last edited by Impetuous65; 08-04-2017, 03:37 PM.

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                          • #14
                            The 24th Letter
                            ERA
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                            Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                            Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this came from you pushing it all year Impetuous...good stuff....and a much needed adjustment...

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                            • #15
                              Smirkin Dirk
                              All Star
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 5183

                              Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward


                              Re: A.C.E. Display/Notification Moving Forward

                              You've been very consistent and collaborative about this issue, and it looks like you've got some results.

                              Nice work.
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