Anyone else want badges removed?

[Housh123]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

the HOF tier just made the game feel very arcadey.

Funny you say this.


I just did an experiment with HOF badges in MyLeague and the differences were extremely noticeable. Even low rated shooters were knocking them down. I play on custom sliders where the 2s are set to 38.








So I think badges trump game difficulty

[Housh123]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

It's time for this

Either separate them or totally integrate them like Live 18 is planning to do.








I should be able to get attribute upgrades for games played in walk on and Pro Am. Its utterly senseless to me that guys who log 1500 park games still have to grind in MyCAreer for upgrades. Seems like a waste of time. Some ppl flat out don't care about playing with their fave NBA players. They wanna run online and online only.

[MrBallaBoy21]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I'm just going to list out each individual badge that I think the game can do without and give my reasons why I think it shouldn't be in the game.

Corner Specialist- Why is there a badge that boosts shot accuracy from both corners on the 3 point line when there is already a HOT SPOT system in this game? Having all of these mechanics that boost shooting be stackable made the 3 point rating not even matter in this game.

Green releases meaning automatic make played a factor in this, but even with the easiest jump shot bases and quickest releases on the non-shooting archetypes, NONE of them would shoot a shot from any other spot. My own teammate has told me that he only shoots 3s in the corner with his slasher because those are the only spots where he can get green releases.

The only difference I can see between the two corners and the other spots behind the 3 point line, is the stacking of HOT SPOTS, the CATCH AND SHOOT badge, and CORNER SPECIALIST. Boost on top of boost on top of another boost. The badge isn't needed.

Posterizer- Why is this badge needed when there is a CONTACT DUNK rating? You don't need this badge to dunk on people if you have the dunk and contact dunk ratings to equip the contact dunk dunk packages on your player. I've gotten contact dunks with NBA players that have sub 80 dunk and sub 40 contact dunk in this game(without the posterizer badge at all), you can't tell me that Slashers with 90+ dunk ratings need to be boosted in this category.

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76 rated Gold Michael Kidd-Gilchrist just punched it on Lamarcus Aldridge with no slashing badges. Look at his dunk ratings, they're not even good.

http://2kmtcentral.com/17/players/2455/michael-kidd-gilchrist

Catch and Shoot-Difficult Shots-Mid-Range/Deep-Range Deadeye- There are ratings for ALL of these areas of shooting.

There are open shot ratings for Catch and Shoot.

There are off the dribble shot ratings for Difficult shots.

There are contested shot ratings for the Deadeyes.

You shouldn't have to stack boosts on top of boosts to make these shots. If there is a rating for the specific situation then the rating alone should determine the success of the shot.

*Limitless Range should be a personality badge. Having every Sharpshooter/Stretch Big spot up so far behind the line that you can't even see them on 2k cam is ridiculous. What makes it worse is that they can shoot 70% from Curry range because they have a stack(Catch and Shoot) on top of a stack(Hot Spot) on top of a stack(Limitless Range) on top of another gosh darn stack(Dimer)....

This is my basic train of thought concerning this badge situation. You can apply it to more badges but my main problem is with these 6 because I believe they contributed mostly to the game this year playing arcadey. Some other badges off the top of my head that fit this criteria are:

Dimer- Pass ratings

Ankle Breaker- Ball handling rating

Pick Pocket- Steal rating + There is NO rating to counter this badge

etc. etc.

[Jrocc23]

Anyone else want badges removed?

the HOF tier just made the game feel very arcadey.

I would say the Grand Badges made the game feel very arcadey. If they leave in HOF badges, I believe it should be maxed at 1 or 2. They need to use the silver badges more. You'll barely see anyone w/ a silver badge when they can just upgrade it to gold.

Badges are fine like I've said before. 2K just has to do better with how they give them away. Mainly by not letting you get badges on Rookie. I guarantee a lot of bigs wouldn't have corner specialist if you had to do it on a higher difficulty because they would almost never make enough. As a PlayMaker, if it wasn't for Rookie, I would never have Deep Range Deadeye because I don't like taking contested shots and I would rarely hit enough.

Isdatyt is just saying everything I've thought about badges. Loved them since NBA Live and wish Madden would bring them back. Even the negative ones. Just give the game more personality like he said. Love it.


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[isdatyt]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I'm just going to list out each individual badge that I think the game can do without and give my reasons why I think it shouldn't be in the game.

Corner Specialist- Why is there a badge that boosts shot accuracy from both corners on the 3 point line when there is already a HOT SPOT system in this game? Having all of these mechanics that boost shooting be stackable made the 3 point rating not even matter in this game.

Green releases meaning automatic make played a factor in this, but even with the easiest jump shot bases and quickest releases on the non-shooting archetypes, NONE of them would shoot a shot from any other spot. My own teammate has told me that he only shoots 3s in the corner with his slasher because those are the only spots where he can get green releases.

The only difference I can see between the two corners and the other spots behind the 3 point line, is the stacking of HOT SPOTS, the CATCH AND SHOOT badge, and CORNER SPECIALIST. Boost on top of boost on top of another boost. The badge isn't needed.

Posterizer- Why is this badge needed when there is a CONTACT DUNK rating? You don't need this badge to dunk on people if you have the dunk and contact dunk ratings to equip the contact dunk dunk packages on your player. I've gotten contact dunks with NBA players that have sub 80 dunk and sub 40 contact dunk in this game(without the posterizer badge at all), you can't tell me that Slashers with 90+ dunk ratings need to be boosted in this category.

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76 rated Gold Michael Kidd-Gilchrist just punched it on Lamarcus Aldridge with no slashing badges. Look at his dunk ratings, they're not even good.

http://2kmtcentral.com/17/players/2455/michael-kidd-gilchrist

Catch and Shoot-Difficult Shots-Mid-Range/Deep-Range Deadeye- There are ratings for ALL of these areas of shooting.

There are open shot ratings for Catch and Shoot.

There are off the dribble shot ratings for Difficult shots.

There are contested shot ratings for the Deadeyes.

You shouldn't have to stack boosts on top of boosts to make these shots. If there is a rating for the specific situation then the rating alone should determine the success of the shot.

*Limitless Range should be a personality badge. Having every Sharpshooter/Stretch Big spot up so far behind the line that you can't even see them on 2k cam is ridiculous. What makes it worse is that they can shoot 70% from Curry range because they have a stack(Catch and Shoot) on top of a stack(Hot Spot) on top of a stack(Limitless Range) on top of another gosh darn stack(Dimer)....

This is my basic train of thought concerning this badge situation. You can apply it to more badges but my main problem is with these 6 because I believe they contributed mostly to the game this year playing arcadey. Some other badges off the top of my head that fit this criteria are:

Dimer- Pass ratings

Ankle Breaker- Ball handling rating

Pick Pocket- Steal rating + There is NO rating to counter this badge

etc. etc.

Ratings can't do everything. There are guys who literally can only knock down corner 3's consistently and for the majority take only corner 3s. Andre Roberson is a notoriously poor shooter, however he becomes capable from the corners because it's a shorter shot. His 3PT ratings should be low. Hot Spots only provide a +5 boost in rating. Stacking the Corner Specialist badge brings him to about where he should be in real Life.

Same with Catch & Shoot. Guys like Klay Thompson or older Ray Allen who don't excel at creating their own shots, but get better at shooting in these situations. Or a more extreme case, Marc Gasol, who literally only shoots in C&S situations.

The Posterizer badge, honestly you can take it or leave it. I think it just increases the frequency that the animations are triggered and counteracts Rim Protector and Defensive Stopper. Guys who dunked on everybody like MJ, VC, T-Mac should have it though.

Your problem is MyPark, Pro-Am, and that badging system is broken. They need to make badges more difficult to earn especially on low difficulties. Honestly I think you should have to earn HOF badges on HOF difficulty. The fact that people can play on rookie, make 20 threes a game and get these badges so fast is ridiculous. That's my problem with badges. Not the system, but the way they are implemented in those modes. There has to be some kind of wall. Some way to keep people from cheesing the system. My brother is 13 and he takes full advantage of it. He's maxed out at least 3 guys.

[isdatyt]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I would say the Grand Badges made the game feel very arcadey. If they leave in HOF badges, I believe it should be maxed at 1 or 2. They need to use the silver badges more. You'll barely see anyone w/ a silver badge when they can just upgrade it to gold.

Badges are fine like I've said before. 2K just has to do better with how they give them away. Mainly by not letting you get badges on Rookie. I guarantee a lot of bigs wouldn't have corner specialist if you had to do it on a higher difficulty because they would almost never make enough. As a PlayMaker, if it wasn't for Rookie, I would never have Deep Range Deadeye because I don't like taking contested shots and I would rarely hit enough.

Isdatyt is just saying everything I've thought about badges. Loved them since NBA Live and wish Madden would bring them back. Even the negative ones. Just give the game more personality like he said. Love it.


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Exactly!That's what I've been saying the entire time.

[kdurantmvp]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

So on my way to work, I was thinking of ways to make the badges more.....enjoyable. So how about this:


*All badges are available to you when you first create your player. BUT they are all on bronze.

* you can only take 3 with you to the park and pro am.

* when you get to all star 1-5, you can select one badge to become silver. So now you have 5 silver badges of your choosing.

*When you get to superstar 1, you can select one badge to be hall of fame and on superstar 2-5 you can select one badge to be gold. So now you have 1 hall of fame badge, 4 gold badges, 5 silver badges, and the rest on bronze.

* when you reach legend 1, you can then select one other badge to be a hall of fame badge. So now you have 2 hall of fame badges, 4 gold badges, 5 silver badges, and the rest on bronze.

*Once again, you can only select 3 with you to take to the park and pro am.


What do you guys think about this

[MrBallaBoy21]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Ratings can't do everything. There are guys who literally can only knock down corner 3's consistently and for the majority take only corner 3s. Andre Roberson is a notoriously poor shooter, however he becomes capable from the corners because it's a shorter shot. His 3PT ratings should be low. Hot Spots only provide a +5 boost in rating. Stacking the Corner Specialist badge brings him to about where he should be in real Life.

I think you are vastly overrating a players' ability to improve their 3 point shot making ability by shooting in the corner. According to the stats on this website https://www.basketball-reference.com...l#all_shooting in the 14-15 season Roberson shot 25% from the 3 point line overall, and 32% from the 3 point line in the corner. In the 15-16 season he shot 31% from 3 and 36% from the corner. In 16-17 he shot 25% from 3 and 23% from the corner.

If you include his rookie season. For his career his overall 3 point % is 26% and his career 3 point % from the corner is 30%.

In 2k because of the badges that I mentioned, a Slasher/LDD/GC/PP can shoot 15% from every other 3 point spot and shoot 70% from the corner 3. Seems to me like a +5 boost is waay more realistic than a +55% boost...

Same with Catch & Shoot. Guys like Klay Thompson or older Ray Allen who don't excel at creating their own shots, but get better at shooting in these situations. Or a more extreme case, Marc Gasol, who literally only shoots in C&S situations.

Like I've already said, open shot ratings take care of this. You shouldn't need a badge to hit an OPEN SHOT if the player has high OPEN SHOT ratings.

The Posterizer badge, honestly you can take it or leave it. I think it just increases the frequency that the animations are triggered and counteracts Rim Protector and Defensive Stopper. Guys who dunked on everybody like MJ, VC, T-Mac should have it though.

The problem is that it increases it by an astronomically unrealistic amount. The kind of posters that happen every other possession in 2k are a RARE occurrence in actual basketball. If I can put Lamarcus Aldridge in the rim with MKG without the posterizer badge then MJ and Vince should be fine. There is a RATING for it and theirs is way higher than MKG's.

Your problem is MyPark, Pro-Am, and that badging system is broken. They need to make badges more difficult to earn especially on low difficulties. Honestly I think you should have to earn HOF badges on HOF difficulty. The fact that people can play on rookie, make 20 threes a game and get these badges so fast is ridiculous. That's my problem with badges. Not the system, but the way they are implemented in those modes. There has to be some kind of wall. Some way to keep people from cheesing the system. My brother is 13 and he takes full advantage of it. He's maxed out at least 3 guys.

My problem is with the game as a whole. When I play with players that don't have shooting badges the shot %s actually reflect NBA basketball. I had to play 15 games with that gold MKG to get that dunk animation to trigger, that's realistic. When that dunk happened I got hype af and that's how it should be.

With these posterizer badges you expect something that happens rarely even with the best dunkers in NBA history to happen every possession, and it does. Not just with MyPlayers. This is with every player in the game that has those badges. Badges don't change just because they are in different modes.

Making it harder to get those badges won't change how they completely screw up the shot percentages and poster dunks. Making it harder on an "E-Sport" player won't make any difference. They enjoy the game by finding things that work 80% of the time. They'll still find a way to get the badges, and while everyone else is playing with the limitations of shooting realistic shot %s they'll be shooting 90% from 3 shooting from the corners and 10ft behind the line. Only by taking them away do you get a less arcadey experience.

[isdatyt]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Like I've already said, open shot ratings take care of this. You shouldn't need a badge to hit an OPEN SHOT if the player has high OPEN SHOT ratings.

It's proven statistically that some players have higher percentages on C&S shots than other threes. Being set and receiving the ball in a spot you want to be in, makes a huge difference for some players.

Chris Paul shot 49.3% on C&S Threes last year, but only 41% from Three overall.

What about guys who nail jumpers in game like crazy but do poorly in the 3PT contest, literally as OPEN as a shot can get.

It definitely matters.

I think you are vastly overrating a players' ability to improve their 3 point shot making ability by shooting in the corner.

Okay so I jumped out the window using Roberson lol, however, he only has a bronze version of the badge. 2015-16 Korver (Gold Corner Specialist) shot 40% from 3 overall and 50% from the corner. (BBRef) So there is definitely proof that some players are significantly better.

The problem is that it increases it by an astronomically unrealistic amount. The kind of posters that happen every other possession in 2k are a RARE occurrence in actual basketball. If I can put Lamarcus Aldridge in the rim with MKG without the posterizer badge then MJ and Vince should be fine. There is a RATING for it and theirs is way higher than MKG's.

This is why I said Posterizer is a take it or leave it scenario. Dunks don't happen often for me, even when I'm using guys with the badge gold. I think this poster you got is also a light poster. Aldridge is not a real rim protector IRL (Don't think he has any version of the badge in MT) and he was way out of position. I stated that the badge is meant to counteract Rim Protection. Had this been a more defensive center, you probably don't flush it down on him. I do think the idea of badges determining outcomes like this sounds "arcadey" but it makes sense. would MKG have done this to Mutumbo? No way. Mutumbo was a HOF rim protector (Badged & IRL). But you know who could do this to Mutumbo? Jordan, who has the HOF Posterizer.

Not to mention there are guys who are great dunkers not the usual suspects when it comes to posterizers. Lillard comes to mind.

I guess technically we can argue all day but I think badges add another layer past ratings like in real life. I like the individualization that badges bring. I hope they get tuned because they aren't perfect, but I think they should be here to stay, in all sports games tbh.

[MrBallaBoy21]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

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It's proven statistically that some players have higher percentages on C&S shots than other threes. Being set and receiving the ball in a spot you want to be in, makes a huge difference for some players.

Chris Paul shot 49.3% on C&S Threes last year, but only 41% from Three overall.

And a difference between OPEN SHOT 3PT, CONTESTED SHOT 3PT, and OFF DRIBBLE 3PT shot can easily replicate that disparity.

What about guys who nail jumpers in game like crazy but do poorly in the 3PT contest, literally as OPEN as a shot can get.

It definitely matters.

The 3pt contest has nothing to do with actual gameplay.

Okay so I jumped out the window using Roberson lol, however, he only has a bronze version of the badge. 2015-16 Korver (Gold Corner Specialist) shot 40% from 3 overall and 50% from the corner. (BBRef) So there is definitely proof that some players are significantly better.

Hot spots are more than enough to show that. a +5 boost to a shooter that already has 85+ open shot ratings is more than enough. Korver is money from anywhere in this game wide open even without badges.

This is why I said Posterizer is a take it or leave it scenario. Dunks don't happen often for me, even when I'm using guys with the badge gold. I think this poster you got is also a light poster. Aldridge is not a real rim protector IRL (Don't think he has any version of the badge in MT) and he was way out of position. I stated that the badge is meant to counteract Rim Protection. Had this been a more defensive center, you probably don't flush it down on him. I do think the idea of badges determining outcomes like this sounds "arcadey" but it makes sense. would MKG have done this to Mutumbo? No way. Mutumbo was a HOF rim protector (Badged & IRL). But you know who could do this to Mutumbo? Jordan, who has the HOF Posterizer.

Take posterizer out, take rim protector out. If it's only to counter that badge then it has no more use in the game.

I guess technically we can argue all day but I think badges add another layer past ratings like in real life. I like the individualization that badges bring. I hope they get tuned because they aren't perfect, but I think they should be here to stay, in all sports games tbh.

Badges don't individualize, they actually shorten the ratings gap by bringing about unnecessary boosts. A player with a 60 3PT rating can shoot just as well as a player with a 90 3PT rating if they have the same badges and hot spots. Imo that's a very flawed system.

But when you take the badges out, and rely strictly on ratings for the basic mechanics in this game, only great shooters shoot great.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I would say the Grand Badges made the game feel very arcadey. If they leave in HOF badges, I believe it should be maxed at 1 or 2. They need to use the silver badges more. You'll barely see anyone w/ a silver badge when they can just upgrade it to gold.

Badges are fine like I've said before. 2K just has to do better with how they give them away. Mainly by not letting you get badges on Rookie. I guarantee a lot of bigs wouldn't have corner specialist if you had to do it on a higher difficulty because they would almost never make enough. As a PlayMaker, if it wasn't for Rookie, I would never have Deep Range Deadeye because I don't like taking contested shots and I would rarely hit enough.

Isdatyt is just saying everything I've thought about badges. Loved them since NBA Live and wish Madden would bring them back. Even the negative ones. Just give the game more personality like he said. Love it.


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While I do agree a bit on having badges be unlocked on anything other than Rookie, I hope you realize that earning HOF badges on HOF would be almost impossible for some of the badges, especially the Deadeye and Limitless Range badges. If shooting is tuned to ANYTHING like it is right now, they would LITERALLY be impossible to get on HOF, since the defender only has to be within 6 feet of you to completely destroy your shot grade/quality.

[Jrocc23]

Anyone else want badges removed?

While I do agree a bit on having badges be unlocked on anything other than Rookie, I hope you realize that earning HOF badges on HOF would be almost impossible for some of the badges, especially the Deadeye and Limitless Range badges. If shooting is tuned to ANYTHING like it is right now, they would LITERALLY be impossible to get on HOF, since the defender only has to be within 6 feet of you to completely destroy your shot grade/quality.

Good. It should be hard to have badge like that on HOF. Maybe lower the requirements if you're like a Shot Creator. But that's good, should be tough as hell to get HOF badges. Will make it even more special and rare when you see players with some.


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[Find_the_Door]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

I say keep them as I appreciate things like Closer for Lillard - tendencies like that are awesomely done via badges. Things like lock down defender shouldn't be a boost, but rather a visual representation to show that the player has reach a certain attribute level.

[DatGuy12x2]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

Absolutely not. People wanted things to differentiate between players so they came up with badges. If you want to take badges away then you have to have a replacement, because the problem will still be how do we tell similar rated players apart?

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There should be maybe a trait system, a little like MLB the show. It'll probably be a big leap to remove badges completely. I'd like to see them gone too, but like you said there should be a replacement.


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[iimrampage28]

Re: Anyone else want badges removed?

If we're going to make the badge grind require a difficulty higher than rookie then we should probably start at higher than 60 OVR.....