2 More NBA 2K18 Classic Teams Announced - '01-'02 Kings & '03-'04 Lakers

[The 24th Letter]

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You're right, I just get frustrated with some of these things and trying to get a 2k dev on here to react basically, that's why I'm being provocative actually..no worries man. I understand

No worries man...

The passion you guys show for the art has clearly paid off already....so never stop....just try to keep it direct, but respectful...

[jmarcguy]

Re: 2 More NBA 2K18 Classic Teams Announced - '01-'02 Kings & '03-'04 Lakers

I liked this Kings team a lot. One of the best passing teams I ever watched.


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[PeacemanNOT]

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Which jerseys? The Kings?


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Yes, you can see the Rev30 mesh design on the jersey and on the shorts. Those mesh designs were introduced in the 2010-2011 season.

For the record, every new classic team that was added in NBA 2K16 also has the rev30 design. The reason for this is because 2K just used jerseys that were already in the game as throwbacks. They didn't make unique jerseys for the classic teams. Besides that face, the jersey font KINGS is too big. I maybe nitpicking at this point but I'm just saying.

[ChefBoyRT]

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[LeBronistheKing]

Re: 2 More NBA 2K18 Classic Teams Announced - '01-'02 Kings & '03-'04 Lakers

Right it's frustrating because they can fix these things. If I could find it I would post the comparison pics of Dennis Rodman and Bill Russell's player models from 2k16 to 2k17. Or Steve Kerr from 2k16 to 2k17. Wish someone would post those pics to really drive this point home. The old excuse was that these players can't be scanned so they will never look as good as the current player models, then 2k17 happened and Bill Russell's player model looked on par with the current player models. So there should be no excuse. They strive for excellence in every other facet of the game, but inexplicably fall short on classic teams likenesses and uniform accuracy. (89 Pistons have the wrong jerseys wrong font and there are others.) Just get them correct or correct the discrepancies the way you would patch in a new jersey or color correction in the game for current teams. If we as novice unprofessional consumers can notice these inaccuracies and some of the community have created accurate uniforms for rebranding/create a team then why can't the professional team do the same? Again, I thank them for their hard work and most of the current art is phenomenal but why ignore Classic Teams especially when you are introducing 16 new teams?

[ojandpizza]

2 More NBA 2K18 Classic Teams Announced - '01-'02 Kings & '03-'04 Lakers

Yes, you can see the Rev30 mesh design on the jersey and on the shorts. Those mesh designs were introduced in the 2010-2011 season.



For the record, every new classic team that was added in NBA 2K16 also has the rev30 design.

Ohh just the mesh design, I see what you're saying now. Won't be able to see that in game anyways, but yeah it does seem like that would be a simple fix. I didn't even notice them in 2k16 or 2k17.


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[yellow86]

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Right it's frustrating because they can fix these things. If I could find it I would post the comparison pics of Dennis Rodman and Bill Russell's player models from 2k16 to 2k17. Or Steve Kerr from 2k16 to 2k17. Wish someone would post those pics to really drive this point home. The old excuse was that these players can't be scanned so they will never look as good as the current player models, then 2k17 happened and Bill Russell's player model looked on par with the current player models. So there should be no excuse. They strive for excellence in every other facet of the game, but inexplicably fall short on classic teams likenesses and uniform accuracy. (89 Pistons have the wrong jerseys wrong font and there are others.) Just get them correct or correct the discrepancies the way you would patch in a new jersey or color correction in the game for current teams. If we as novice unprofessional consumers can notice these inaccuracies and some of the community have created accurate uniforms for rebranding/create a team then why can't the professional team do the same? Again, I thank them for their hard work and most of the current art is phenomenal but why ignore Classic Teams especially when you are introducing 16 new teams?

Thank you! Finally someone who gets it. Heck, 2k could even have asked some of you great guys here who created players to fill out the classic teams and everything to help out with that!

This is crazy accurate:

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[BA2929]

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How else you explain inaccuracies like this then?

I'm sorry man, but you can't expect them to get everything 110% correct for 63 classic teams, 30 NBA teams and 21 European Teams every single year. That's just not a realistic desire. There are only so many hours in the day to work on these types of things.

It's great you're so passionate about these things, but to call people lazy because the font of the KINGS logo on the jersey is slightly too big or the court isn't perfect is pretty ridiculous and downright disrespectful.

[VDusen04]

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Right it's frustrating because they can fix these things. If I could find it I would post the comparison pics of Dennis Rodman and Bill Russell's player models from 2k16 to 2k17. Or Steve Kerr from 2k16 to 2k17. Wish someone would post those pics to really drive this point home.

The old excuse was that these players can't be scanned so they will never look as good as the current player models, then 2k17 happened and Bill Russell's player model looked on par with the current player models. So there should be no excuse.

They strive for excellence in every other facet of the game, but inexplicably fall short on classic teams likenesses and uniform accuracy. (89 Pistons have the wrong jerseys wrong font and there are others.) Just get them correct or correct the discrepancies the way you would patch in a new jersey or color correction in the game for current teams.

If we as novice unprofessional consumers can notice these inaccuracies and some of the community have created accurate uniforms for rebranding/create a team then why can't the professional team do the same? Again, I thank them for their hard work and most of the current art is phenomenal but why ignore Classic Teams especially when you are introducing 16 new teams?

I would consider it a strong possibility that it could be a matter of resource allocation. I love my classics but I know that if there's not a big mode coming around to support them (aka Jordan Challenge) then it might be tough to convince the crew that they're worth making a No. 1 priority in a given year.

From the sounds of it, the art team was splintered and pushed to the limit in 2K14 to account for multiple generations of consoles. I think a different art team may have even been tasked with creating the first batch of next gen classics. It went very poorly. Now I think it's just a matter of finding the time between everything else going on in a given cycle to continue upgrades like this:



It's probably also worth mentioning that a lot of the classic players added in 2K16 looked pretty sharp. And I bet the new 2K18 teams will look pretty good too. But that might also mean less time to allocate to the previous legends likenesses.

All that said, yes, I really do have a legitimate curiosity as to how the seemingly really simple stuff works. I don't mean facial structure or signature shots. I mean, I've always wondered about some of the things you guys brought up.

For instance, what happens in a classic development process that leads to Chris Webber of the 2002 Kings walking out in a purple headband at home? Like, is it a technological hang-up? Do the people making the teams know it should be black but can't make it happen? And regarding the '89 Pistons jerseys, is the art team just implementing someone else's poor research? Are the jerseys completed by an art entity that is not directly familiar with professional basketball, leaving them open to mistakes that may seem small to them but huge to us?



Basically, I guess I'd be interested in a behind-the-scenes look at how all this stuff works.

[alecast]

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I am a type of guy that says good things about good things and bad things about bad things.
I am not fond of 00's teams but I gotta admit that today 2k announced 2 very good teams, that deserve their spot in the history of the sport.
I am pleased with the new squads and hoping for more good teams to come.
Congratulations, 2k!
And, Yes, Chris Webber is in!!!!!!!!

[Journey96]

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C-WEBB.

I am really pleased to see the Kings in -- that team was so much fun to watch.

I am just as pleased to see the 03-04 Lakers, though. Truly a unique team. You had The Glove, the Mailman, Black Mamba, and The Diesel all on one squad ... if nickname jerseys were a thing then, they'd have the best selling set by team.

Also, to all the guys calling Karl Malone "old", yeah, the man was 40, but he was still putting up great numbers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html#per_game::none

His stats tanked in 03-04 because of a knee injury and the "vaunted" triangle offense. But the year before that? Killing it. The Mailman is still going to get a good rating I feel, I'd guess somewhere in the 84-87 range. He could have kept on playing, too, if he wanted: the guy was a workout warrior.

You just have to sigh to yourself and shrug at the people who just want to glance at numbers. You also forgot to add that neither Shaq or Kobe ever had a reputation for being unselfish. Malone was always going to be regulated to a garbage bucket role in that situation.

But with that, anything past low 80's seems high. He was certainly better than the numbers would tell, but even the year prior he still had his mind reading pick and roll partner and was the focal point of the offense to help him out.

[LeBronistheKing]

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Thank you! Finally someone who gets it. Heck, 2k could even have asked some of you great guys here who created players to fill out the classic teams and everything to help out with that!

This is crazy accurate:

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Right. Keep this Rodman his player model is fantastic it sucks I have to use him on 2k17 when I would like to use him on 2k18. Especially in a matchup with the 97 Heat.

[alecast]

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If Webber is not in then 2K really needs to re-evaluate their selection process.

If any of these legends teams are without their best player, defeats the purpose no?

Surely he's in.

I'd rather have a 93 Suns with no Barkley than no 93 Suns at all. We can always create the missing player.

[Kstat]

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I'd rather have a 93 Suns with no Barkley than no 93 Suns at all. We can always create the missing player.

If you wanted to do that you could just make the 1990 suns.

[Sinner]

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Fair enough, but it has been 3 years since the old generation and 2k14, classic players till look like old generation and when they research these players and teams, it takes 1 minute online even to see what the court, arena and players looked like..putting an afro on C-Webb shouldn't be too hard for example...right?

It may not, maybe they missed it but look at it this way.....Chris Webber is in the game except for his afro and that could change by launch, I've seen some friends work on models/animation and it takes a lot of work. So since they did all that work and don't have his hair right would that really make them lazy?