Taking a Look at NBA 2K18's Player Ratings So Far

[Barncore]

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Don't agree with this article at all. I think PG, Dwight and Crowder are all appropriately rated. Crowder's defense is actually a little overrated by fans these days. He's smart but guys can blow by him pretty easy.

He didn't even list Booker as overrated.

The only one i agree with is LaVine being overrated

[Barncore]

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Also am i the only one that thinks Rose was appropriately rated?
If you think as overrall ratings as "ability to influence a team to win" i think he's rated accurately. His gamestyle is not conducive to winning anymore imo

[Smirkin Dirk]

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The bigger issue is how player ratings have become over inflated.

I watch 2-3 full games every night, and there's a couple of players I have barely heard of in the high 60s/low 70s.

That really isn't a problem if you plan to edit your rosters anyhow but it may be bad for player differentiation for online players.

[ojandpizza]

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Also am i the only one that thinks Rose was appropriately rated?
If you think as overrall ratings as "ability to influence a team to win" i think he's rated accurately. His gamestyle is not conducive to winning anymore imo

Yeah I think it's fair. He can't shoot at all, horrible defender, not really a great playmaker. His athletic abilities have faded some compared to what they were. Being a good finisher at the rim with little else to offer shouldn't make you have a great overall.


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[ojandpizza]

Taking a Look at NBA 2K18's Player Ratings So Far

Yeah I think it's fair. He can't shoot at all, horrible defender, not really a great playmaker. His athletic abilities have faded some compared to what they were. Being a good finisher at the rim with little else to offer shouldn't make you have a great overall.


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To extend on this...

If he has a bounce back year in Cleveland I have no problem with them upping his rating like a lot of people seem to believe he deserves. But basing it on what he's done the past couple years I think it's fair. Everyone keeps saying "but he scored 18 a game" likes that justifies him being as good as someone with similar numbers. Putting up 18 a night on that crappy Knicks team isn't much to brag upon, especially to use as a basis for his 2K rating since he was one of the worst starting guards in the entire league in terms of shooting and defense.


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[limache]

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Another problem I think is that you can't really play players the amount of minutes in 2k that you can in real life. Their stamina just goes away pretty quickly so you have to split the minutes about 50/50 for starters and bench. Whereas in real life the starters get like 70 percent of the minutes.

Like how Westbrook scored, passed and rebounded in the amount of mins he played. That won't be possible in a normal match in 2k. His stamina would be gone by half time.


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[Yesh2kdone]

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The bigger issue is how player ratings have become over inflated.

I watch 2-3 full games every night, and there's a couple of players I have barely heard of in the high 60s/low 70s.

That really isn't a problem if you plan to edit your rosters anyhow but it may be bad for player differentiation for online players.

Completely agree with this, the ratings seem to have gotten a bit out of hand; Paul George a 91?

I actually think Steph will have been underrated when Westbrooks' OVR is eventually released.

[BluFu]

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The bigger issue is how player ratings have become over inflated.

I watch 2-3 full games every night, and there's a couple of players I have barely heard of in the high 60s/low 70s.

That really isn't a problem if you plan to edit your rosters anyhow but it may be bad for player differentiation for online players.

Agreed. Guys like Kay Felder, McCullough, and Brice Johnson who don't get any playing time should not be touching a 70 ovr at all.

[24ct]

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Curry is a back-to-back MVP and the only unanimous MVP in the history of the NBA and has 2 rings. But Russ > Curry? Russ averaged a triple double, Russ > LeBron? Russ over Kawhi?

If they based ratings off past accolades Rose would still be at least an 87 lol. "Youngest MVP in NBA history blah blah" I could spit accolades all day about Rose but what I'm saying is Westbrook had better overall stats than Curry and it should be represented in 2K18...

Curry was back to back MVP by victim of circumstance. Don't get me wrong I've said Curry was great when Monta Ellis was still on the Warriors, but that year he won MVP Iggy won Finals MVP and it should have been Lebron. And the year after he lost in the Finals after being up 3-1. And you just mentioned the awards he won. Curry has 0 Finals MVPS and 3 rings.

So sure he won regular season MVP but his true value in the playoffs was outweighed by Iggy's defense, Lebron's greatness and Durant's hunger 3 years in a row. If Durant wasn't on GS last year and they won the MVP woulda prob went to Lebron lol...

The NBA players themselves voted Harden as MVP 1 year Curry won. But as I said. He's an average defender at best and he's an average rebounder for a PG(personally I think Curry is a terrible defender lol but everyone else on GS is so good on defense they can hide him) As for Westbrook he had a HISTORIC season & was top 7 in PTS, RBS, & ASTS as a PG lol...

I'm not comparing Westbrook to Lebron or Kawhi because ratings are POS based and as a PG, based on the MVP season he had last year, he should be rated higher. Never said Curry or Westbrook was the better player. I'm just saying based on last year Westbrook had a better season.

By RATINGS and pure production value Westbrook puts up better stats across the board minus shooting percentage but Westbrook isn't a shooter he's a slasher/scorer so that should be reflected in the game, no?

[Yesh2kdone]

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If they based ratings off past accolades Rose would still be at least an 87 lol. "Youngest MVP in NBA history blah blah" I could spit accolades all day about Rose but what I'm saying is Westbrook had better overall stats than Curry and it should be represented in 2K18...

Curry was back to back MVP by victim of circumstance. Don't get me wrong I've said Curry was great when Monta Ellis was still on the Warriors, but that year he won MVP Iggy won Finals MVP and it should have been Lebron. And the year after he lost in the Finals after being up 3-1. And you just mentioned the awards he won. Curry has 0 Finals MVPS and 3 rings.

So sure he won regular season MVP but his true value in the playoffs was outweighed by Iggy's defense, Lebron's greatness and Durant's hunger 3 years in a row. If Durant wasn't on GS last year and they won the MVP woulda prob went to Lebron lol...

The NBA players themselves voted Harden as MVP 1 year Curry won. But as I said. He's an average defender at best and he's an average rebounder for a PG(personally I think Curry is a terrible defender lol but everyone else on GS is so good on defense they can hide him) As for Westbrook he had a HISTORIC season & was top 7 in PTS, RBS, & ASTS as a PG lol...

I'm not comparing Westbrook to Lebron or Kawhi because ratings are POS based and as a PG, based on the MVP season he had last year, he should be rated higher. Never said Curry or Westbrook was the better player. I'm just saying based on last year Westbrook had a better season.

By RATINGS and pure production value Westbrook puts up better stats across the board minus shooting percentage but Westbrook isn't a shooter he's a slasher/scorer so that should be reflected in the game, no?

Curry was finals MVP in 15, he put up great numbers, and was responsible for a top 5 all time performance for 4th quarter points in a finals series. All this on the back of having the cavs trying desperately to get the ball out of his hands with constant double teams. Should never have been Iggy over Steph. He also just posted another insane set of numbers in the 17 finals.

OKC were easier to play against if teams let russ do what he wants to do - namely, pad his own stats. He didn't guard perimeter shooters last season so he could try and get rebounds if they missed, he had his own bigs leaving rebounds so he could get them. Russ is completely overrated, but he's the perfect poster child for a portion of the 2k crowd; pad your stats and only pass when you have to.

[Gosens6]

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Curry was finals MVP in 15, he put up great numbers, and was responsible for a top 5 all time performance for 4th quarter points in a finals series. All this on the back of having the cavs trying desperately to get the ball out of his hands with constant double teams. Should never have been Iggy over Steph. He also just posted another insane set of numbers in the 17 finals.



OKC were easier to play against if teams let russ do what he wants to do - namely, pad his own stats. He didn't guard perimeter shooters last season so he could try and get rebounds if they missed, he had his own bigs leaving rebounds so he could get them. Russ is completely overrated, but he's the perfect poster child for a portion of the 2k crowd; pad your stats and only pass when you have to.

Take Russ off that Thunder squad, what happens? Do they win 47 games? I very much doubt that.

Take this quote from a playoff game against the Rockets ..

“Westbrook played 194 minutes in the series’ five games, of which Houston won four. When Westbrook was on the floor (for 39 minutes per game), the Thunder outscored Houston by 4.9 points per 100 possessions.

When Westbrook wasn’t on the court, Oklahoma City was even worse than you probably thought. The Thunder were outscored by 51.3 points per 100 possessions while Westbrook watched from the bench, for a total of 46 minutes during the series. That’s about one full game, scattered throughout five games, of total ineptitude.

In real terms, when Westbrook sat this series, the Thunder were outscored 137-79 in 45.5 minutes of total court time. They lost by 58 points without Westbrook playing”

I’m sure this isn’t the only example, hell, just look at the advanced stats and you can see how much better they are with him on he court, and how awful they are with him off.

Now, I ask you in contrast, how much WORSE would the Warriors REALLY be without steph curry on the floor? With the talent they have? No way. There’s an argument to be made that Curry would be a better fit than Westbrook on the Thunder, but who knows.

I don’t think it’s fair to call Westbrook “overrated” , implying that he’s not a superstar NBA player who pretty much carried an entire team on his back to 47 wins. Did he stat pad a bit? Sure. Was he undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team during the regular season? He sure was.


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[Yesh2kdone]

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Take Russ off that Thunder squad, what happens? Do they win 47 games? I very much doubt that.

Take this quote from a playoff game against the Rockets ..

“Westbrook played 194 minutes in the series’ five games, of which Houston won four. When Westbrook was on the floor (for 39 minutes per game), the Thunder outscored Houston by 4.9 points per 100 possessions.

When Westbrook wasn’t on the court, Oklahoma City was even worse than you probably thought. The Thunder were outscored by 51.3 points per 100 possessions while Westbrook watched from the bench, for a total of 46 minutes during the series. That’s about one full game, scattered throughout five games, of total ineptitude.

In real terms, when Westbrook sat this series, the Thunder were outscored 137-79 in 45.5 minutes of total court time. They lost by 58 points without Westbrook playing”

I’m sure this isn’t the only example, hell, just look at the advanced stats and you can see how much better they are with him on he court, and how awful they are with him off.

Now, I ask you in contrast, how much WORSE would the Warriors REALLY be without steph curry on the floor? With the talent they have? No way. There’s an argument to be made that Curry would be a better fit than Westbrook on the Thunder, but who knows.

I don’t think it’s fair to call Westbrook “overrated” , implying that he’s not a superstar NBA player who pretty much carried an entire team on his back to 47 wins. Did he stat pad a bit? Sure. Was he undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team during the regular season? He sure was.


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Currys +/- was the largest in NBA playoff history, and Steph is the reason they are even in the position they are in now, because when OKC were playing with 2 superstars, GSW had one.

Look where they were when he was drafted by them and look where they are now, after Steph got through his injuries then his abilities have taken him and his team to a different level. I'm amazed at how much STeph is underrated; even in the 17 finals the cavs we're still trapping and double-teaming Curry, not KD or anyone else, just to get the ball out of his hands. It's that impact that creates the space for his teammates to go out and perform.

I'm not denying RW is a superstar, of course he is, but a lot of his stats last year are bogus and purely because he was chasing triple doubles. I think you also misunderstood my point about OKC being worse when RW was trying to just get his. Go back to that Houston series (can't remember which game) but for 3 qtrs Russ was the perfect team mate, getting his and getting his team mates involved (they had a lead), then the 4th arrived and he took all the shots and they lost. When GSW played OKC, the warriors gameplan included putting Durant on Westbrook to encourage him to see it as a challenge and shoot, which he did.

In short, I'm not denying RW is a superstar; he's a great player, but he's not as great as his stats. Curry was frightening the Spurs and beating a 1 seed as the 8th seed, before he really had any star team mates if you want to look at fairer comparison.

[VAWereWolf65]

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Curry was finals MVP in 15, he put up great numbers, and was responsible for a top 5 all time performance for 4th quarter points in a finals series. All this on the back of having the cavs trying desperately to get the ball out of his hands with constant double teams. Should never have been Iggy over Steph. He also just posted another insane set of numbers in the 17 finals.

OKC were easier to play against if teams let russ do what he wants to do - namely, pad his own stats. He didn't guard perimeter shooters last season so he could try and get rebounds if they missed, he had his own bigs leaving rebounds so he could get them. Russ is completely overrated, but he's the perfect poster child for a portion of the 2k crowd; pad your stats and only pass when you have to.

"Only passing when you have to" doesn't lead to 10+ assists per game. And don't tell me "oh he was stat chasing just so he could average a triple double", because his team had a better record when he had a triple double vs when he didn't, so him getting a triple double was actually beneficial to his team, not just him.

Also, Curry can't guard westbrook 1v1. Westbrook is too strong, fast and explosive. Westbrook on the other hand, can much more effectively guard Curry 1v1 than Curry can guard Westbrook 1v1. Russ is not overrated lol

[Yesh2kdone]

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"Only passing when you have to" doesn't lead to 10+ assists per game. And don't tell me "oh he was stat chasing just so he could average a triple double", because his team had a better record when he had a triple double vs when he didn't, so him getting a triple double was actually beneficial to his team, not just him.

Also, Curry can't guard westbrook 1v1. Westbrook is too strong, fast and explosive. Westbrook on the other hand, can much more effectively guard Curry 1v1 than Curry can guard Westbrook 1v1. Russ is not overrated lol

It's rare that any point guard can guard another point guard in todays league. Steph lights up Westbrook at will. Steph is actually a better defender than RW because he's more disciplined in team defensive systems. rewatch the finals to see how Stephs hedges on PnR's avoided being left on an island against Lebron all series.

So when Adams and co were leaving rebounds alone and moving out the way so Russ could get them, that was the only way they could win games? When Russ was blatantly leaving shooters open to get under the rim for a rebound, that was the only way they could win games? I'm not saying RW isn't a great player who had a great season, it would have been just as impressive if he'd finished 7/8 and 10 in my book.

[VAWereWolf65]

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It's rare that any point guard can guard another point guard in todays league. Steph lights up Westbrook at will. Steph is actually a better defender than RW because he's more disciplined in team defensive systems. rewatch the finals to see how Stephs hedges on PnR's avoided being left on an island against Lebron all series.

So when Adams and co were leaving rebounds alone and moving out the way so Russ could get them, that was the only way they could win games? When Russ was blatantly leaving shooters open to get under the rim for a rebound, that was the only way they could win games? I'm not saying RW isn't a great player who had a great season, it would have been just as impressive if he'd finished 7/8 and 10 in my book.

Westbrook had a top 10 defensive rating this year. Also, yea i guess it was helping OKC because if you go look at the team's record when westbrook didn't have a triple double vs when he did, it's a lot worse