can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

[ViolenceFight]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

Not on a hate train, sir, just using a bit of common sense, which makes you nonsensical defending this bs. 6'4" slashers will dunk on a fast break, period. Not every time, but alot more than what we're seeing. If I have the ability to dunk with a 75+ rating, why the hell would my tendency be set a 25? There's no excuse for that as it makes no sense. I can drop 70 points but can't dunk when there's no one there? Ok. And last I check, we are talking about DUAL archetypes, meaning being more than just a pure playmaker. Chris Paul is not a slasher, Teodosic is not a slasher. Both are what would be considered, to me at least, playmaking shot creaters. But none of your examples are slashers, making your point moot. Talk about nonsensical, huh? I used the word ridiculous, but I didn't use as an insult to warrant this aggressive tone, but whatever.

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My point with Paul and teodosic was that they are playmakers. Cementing my point about playmakers not dunking.

But, let's move to the fact that you picked stuff from my post, used it out of context to suit your narrative, and make a different point unrelated to the example I use it for. That's what I mean. Your shifting narrative and rearranging points. That's nonsensical.

Look at what that was. My point: These guards are playmakers, they don't dunk. Pure playmakers shouldn't dunk.

You're counter argument: They aren't Slashers though.

....THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT.

I'm aggressive because you aren't here to actually argue or debate. You're doing the same thing politicians do when they can't argue the point, which is change the narrative entirely.

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[Bulletproof86]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

I said it like 100 times and i say it again:


They should split the two modes in MyCareer and MyPark/Pro-Am.
In MyCareer you playing NBA Games against CPU!!!! You should not have any attribute caps with your player! Your Player should be a really 99 overall no matter what position, height or weight. (like you create a player in roster editor)

BUT if you play MyPark/Pro-AM then the current player attributes with all these archetypes make sense.


PLEASE 2K split this 2 Modes!!!!


I am a PG with 96 speed and i am slower in the games then my Teammate Center, thats not right!!!I am a 90 ovr player right now, but if i compare my player to my nba opponents at this position i am almost in every attribute category worse.
And why should i have a stupid post game as PG??? i dont need this attributes, give me mid-range, layups and dunks instead.
I dont need high rebound attributes give me steals instead. This whole attribute caps makes no sense to me....
I have 75 dunk but tendencies are at 25 so my player not dunking much, but a Center who has 40 in 3 point shooting he is able to shoot! WHAT THE F...?

[aakaido]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

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My point with Paul and teodosic was that they are playmakers. Cementing my point about playmakers not dunking.

But, let's move to the fact that you picked stuff from my post, used it out of context to suit your narrative, and make a different point unrelated to the example I use it for. That's what I mean. Your shifting narrative and rearranging points. That's nonsensical.

Look at what that was. My point: These guards are playmakers, they don't dunk. Pure playmakers shouldn't dunk.

You're counter argument: They aren't Slashers though.

....THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT.

I'm aggressive because you aren't here to actually argue or debate. You're doing the same thing politicians do when they can't argue the point, which is change the narrative entirely.

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My points, I made several by the way, were addressing you and the whole point of this thread: a slasher that can't dunk. Then the talk was about how tendencies were affecting the players not dunking even with a decent rating. Nothing I said addressing you was taken out of context. I've been following this thread since dam near the beginning, so I'm not pulling what I'm saying out of my ***. You can drop the changing the narrative political bs. My points:

1. If you have a player with a with a good rating to dunk, your tendency shouldn't be low. It defeats the purpose, especially when your archetype is a slasher.

2. You mentioned how playmakers and sharp shooters shouldn't have been able to dunk like they have been in the past. I simply pointed out there are playmakers and plenty of sharp shooters that do just that, dunk alot. And when you create your player and your rating gets high enough, you should have the ability to do what the best of playmakers and sharp shooters in the NBA are doing. A pure playmaker should absolutely be able to dunk, also. Yes the tendency to do that should be lowered, but if I have physical abilities to do it, I should be able to one in a game when there's no one around. That's all.


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[aakaido]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

I said it like 100 times and i say it again:


They should split the two modes in MyCareer and MyPark/Pro-Am.
In MyCareer you playing NBA Games against CPU!!!! You should not have any attribute caps with your player! Your Player should be a really 99 overall no matter what position, height or weight. (like you create a player in roster editor)

BUT if you play MyPark/Pro-AM then the current player attributes with all these archetypes make sense.


PLEASE 2K split this 2 Modes!!!!


I am a PG with 96 speed and i am slower in the games then my Teammate Center, thats not right!!!I am a 90 ovr player right now, but if i compare my player to my nba opponents at this position i am almost in every attribute category worse.
And why should i have a stupid post game as PG??? i dont need this attributes, give me mid-range, layups and dunks instead.
I dont need high rebound attributes give me steals instead. This whole attribute caps makes no sense to me....
I have 75 dunk but tendencies are at 25 so my player not dunking much, but a Center who has 40 in 3 point shooting he is able to shoot! WHAT THE F...?

I wholeheartedly agree. I shouldn't be limited in a game in which I'm playing the computer only.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

You can't charge 10, have us pay 15 and not give us our 5 back.

If you give a player the ratings to equip dunk packages and the badges to dunk in traffic and against contact (posterizer) then yes you need to give said player the appropriate tendencies to perform these abilities and animations.

What are we really arguing here?

The weight of the matter here is similar to obtaining damaged goods. The player with this affected build may as well be refunded by 2kSupport.

Reverse some of the analysis here and consider builds with similar or less in dunking ability who are dunking just fine. Look through the very Association roster and see who checks out in the 70s for Driving Dunks.

Why be so subjective with our opinions when there is objective information available to us?

You give a player the Posterizer badge for an objective purposes. Further to that, Dunking ratings unlock Dunk animations which we are expected to perform.

Where is the disconnect here?

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[aakaido]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

Somebody who gets it, Jesus...

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[andrewthaggard]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

The only people who "get it" are the ones who are suffering from the issue. Everyone else thinks that this is the long-overdue "balance" the game needs. Meanwhile our players are amazing....at bounce-passes, lol. Here is the main point and I will reiterate it over and over for everyone who is happily dunking and calling us crybabies: 75 dunk rating, Gold Posterizer, with a 25 dunk tendency. 25 IS THE LOWEST DUNK TENDENCY FOR ANY PLAYER ON ANY ROSTER IN THE NBA AS WELL AS ANY PLAYER ARCHETYPE. 2k made a mistake.

[ViolenceFight]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

Totally get that, man. I would be content with just being able to dunk when wide-open. I'm not complaining about posters. Tony Parker's driving dunk is 36, 11 more than mine and I am supposed to have posterizer as a gold badge. Not trying to complain and sound like I should be able to exploit the game, but those layups on a wide-open lane sure are getting old. Also, when I do dunk, its some insane flashy 360 dunk and not one that "Tony Parker" would attempt because both alley-oop, flashy dunk, and putback dunk are all higher tendency than driving dunk. .

Wait, I must have missed this: So YOU CAN dunk?



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[ViolenceFight]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

You can't charge 10, have us pay 15 and not give us our 5 back.

If you give a player the ratings to equip dunk packages and the badges to dunk in traffic and against contact (posterizer) then yes you need to give said player the appropriate tendencies to perform these abilities and animations.

What are we really arguing here?

The weight of the matter here is similar to obtaining damaged goods. The player with this affected build may as well be refunded by 2kSupport.

Reverse some of the analysis here and consider builds with similar or less in dunking ability who are dunking just fine. Look through the very Association roster and see who checks out in the 70s for Driving Dunks.

Why be so subjective with our opinions when there is objective information available to us?

You give a player the Posterizer badge for an objective purposes. Further to that, Dunking ratings unlock Dunk animations which we are expected to perform.

Where is the disconnect here?

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There's objective data too on my side, Hans. Why give him 25 driving dunk and not let him equip posters if he was supposed to. That's the same quality as the info supporting your argument. 2 way street. He's also stated that he is dunking, but it's a 360 instead of a normal dunk.

So, what is it? Is it not being able to dunk? Or not being able to dunk a certain way?

The disconnect is that none of the info aside from the badge was revealed for archetypes. So, I agree it leads to some speculation and assumptions on capabilities, never once was it stated what ANY archetype could do. The disconnect is that you both also only correlate Slashers with dunks. A slasher is a player that can get to and finish at the rim. Nothing there implies dunking. We've been conditioned to think a certain way because of 2k.

In all honesty, the only point you have is that "They gave him posterizer". And you're right. We wouldn't be having this discussion if they didn't. I'm not gloating, and I think it sucks he put work into something he doesn't want. It's not receiving damaged goods though by your logic.

He didn't purchase his character. He bought a game, made a character, and then volutarily spent money to level him up. He bought VC, he received VC. What he spent it on doesn't entitle him to a support claim, like say the guys who had their MyPlayer deleted.

Am I saying all this is fair? It's debatable. I know business enough to know that in this instance the spending money onus is on the consumer. He can probably claim his cousin got his credit card, but it'll be tough to get a refund now that idiots over at reddit are literally making fake tickets to scam 2k.

Maybe I'm harsh. But I would've made a new player the 2nd week if mine didn't do what I wanted. I'm not made of money, either.

Last thing: I definitely don't think playmakers should be crazy dunkers. I don't think this is some long overdue "Balance" either. I DO think the guys in this thread should've made new players a long time ago, as soon as it was clear this isn't being resolved, or possibly working as intended.

But hey, it's cool. I don't mind being the heel in this scenario. Maybe patch 5 will fix it? At some point you have to come to grips with the reality of the situation, though.

That being said, I'm really leaving this thread this time. I'm putting it on my block list so I won't be tempted to come back. There's no point in continuing this debate. Neither of us will gain traction.

Also because I don't feel like coming back to see Max "aakido" Kellerman replying to my post by saying "Yeah, well John Wall can't shoot 3s well" as some silly counter argument to a point I never made.

By the way: Share your response from 2k Support next time. They told you it's working as intended. You confirmed it on reddit



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[andrewthaggard]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

There's objective data too on my side, Hans. Why give him 25 driving dunk and not let him equip posters if he was supposed to. That's the same quality as the info supporting your argument. 2 way street. He's also stated that he is dunking, but it's a 360 instead of a normal dunk.

So, what is it? Is it not being able to dunk? Or not being able to dunk a certain way?

The disconnect is that none of the info aside from the badge was revealed for archetypes. So, I agree it leads to some speculation and assumptions on capabilities, never once was it stated what ANY archetype could do. The disconnect is that you both also only correlate Slashers with dunks. A slasher is a player that can get to and finish at the rim. Nothing there implies dunking. We've been conditioned to think a certain way because of 2k.

In all honesty, the only point you have is that "They gave him posterizer". And you're right. We wouldn't be having this discussion if they didn't. I'm not gloating, and I think it sucks he put work into something he doesn't want. It's not receiving damaged goods though by your logic.

He didn't purchase his character. He bought a game, made a character, and then volutarily spent money to level him up. He bought VC, he received VC. What he spent it on doesn't entitle him to a support claim, like say the guys who had their MyPlayer deleted.

Am I saying all this is fair? It's debatable. I know business enough to know that in this instance the spending money onus is on the consumer. He can probably claim his cousin got his credit card, but it'll be tough to get a refund now that idiots over at reddit are literally making fake tickets to scam 2k.

Maybe I'm harsh. But I would've made a new player the 2nd week if mine didn't do what I wanted. I'm not made of money, either.

Last thing: I definitely don't think playmakers should be crazy dunkers. I don't think this is some long overdue "Balance" either. I DO think the guys in this thread should've made new players a long time ago, as soon as it was clear this isn't being resolved, or possibly working as intended.

But hey, it's cool. I don't mind being the heel in this scenario. Maybe patch 5 will fix it? At some point you have to come to grips with the reality of the situation, though.

That being said, I'm really leaving this thread this time. I'm putting it on my block list so I won't be tempted to come back. There's no point in continuing this debate. Neither of us will gain traction.

Also because I don't feel like coming back to see Max "aakido" Kellerman replying to my post by saying "Yeah, well John Wall can't shoot 3s well" as some silly counter argument to a point I never made.



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Thanks for your input, enjoy dunking with your slasher.

[BasketballfromRussia]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

There's objective data too on my side, Hans. Why give him 25 driving dunk and not let him equip posters if he was supposed to. That's the same quality as the info supporting your argument. 2 way street. He's also stated that he is dunking, but it's a 360 instead of a normal dunk.

So, what is it? Is it not being able to dunk? Or not being able to dunk a certain way?

The disconnect is that none of the info aside from the badge was revealed for archetypes. So, I agree it leads to some speculation and assumptions on capabilities, never once was it stated what ANY archetype could do. The disconnect is that you both also only correlate Slashers with dunks. A slasher is a player that can get to and finish at the rim. Nothing there implies dunking. We've been conditioned to think a certain way because of 2k.

In all honesty, the only point you have is that "They gave him posterizer". And you're right. We wouldn't be having this discussion if they didn't. I'm not gloating, and I think it sucks he put work into something he doesn't want. It's not receiving damaged goods though by your logic.

He didn't purchase his character. He bought a game, made a character, and then volutarily spent money to level him up. He bought VC, he received VC. What he spent it on doesn't entitle him to a support claim, like say the guys who had their MyPlayer deleted.

Am I saying all this is fair? It's debatable. I know business enough to know that in this instance the spending money onus is on the consumer. He can probably claim his cousin got his credit card, but it'll be tough to get a refund now that idiots over at reddit are literally making fake tickets to scam 2k.

Maybe I'm harsh. But I would've made a new player the 2nd week if mine didn't do what I wanted. I'm not made of money, either.

Last thing: I definitely don't think playmakers should be crazy dunkers. I don't think this is some long overdue "Balance" either. I DO think the guys in this thread should've made new players a long time ago, as soon as it was clear this isn't being resolved, or possibly working as intended.

But hey, it's cool. I don't mind being the heel in this scenario. Maybe patch 5 will fix it? At some point you have to come to grips with the reality of the situation, though.

That being said, I'm really leaving this thread this time. I'm putting it on my block list so I won't be tempted to come back. There's no point in continuing this debate. Neither of us will gain traction.

Also because I don't feel like coming back to see Max "aakido" Kellerman replying to my post by saying "Yeah, well John Wall can't shoot 3s well" as some silly counter argument to a point I never made.



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this is such a big wall of nonsense man. It's not about that his player can dunk on certain occasions. It's about the thing that if you do the exact same arch as a SG OR SF he will dunk. Same height and weight. WHY? By your logic its because hes a point guard? Other then that. Do you really think flashy dunks that trigger randomly are ok, while an open lane straight tomahawk is considered "something this arch wasn't made for"? man honestly your whole way of arguing makes me so mad, even though I am not hit by this, cause I'm playing a slashing shotcreator PG who POSTERIZES 7'3 behemots with only silver poster and dunks like I never expected him to do.

I feel bad for the guys. It's obviously a mistake made by 2k. 25 is not right. End

[aakaido]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

Wow can't believe I made him leave because his point didn't make sense lol. And I wasn't even trying to be mean.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

It was revealed you already contacted 2kSupport. Don't stop your commitment to see a fix on that first response. You'll need the awareness of a developer on the matter. 2kSupport is not aware or acknowledging a 25 tendency rating for Driving Dunks will hinder your ability to perform driving dunks at a reasonable frequency fit for your build.

What they can at least do is give this build the same driving dunk tendency as its counterparts at the other positions (SG and SF).

If every build and every association player was given a 25 driving dunk tendency: the insight would become clear as day; for now it's in the dark with ignorance.

The hard part is getting a group let alone a single person to acknowledge where the company is at fault and then getting said group or individual to follow the correct channel for a resolution.

I'm not part of the affected user base BTW but as a member of the community I'm committed to cooperate in aiding yall towards a solution - sympathy alone is pitiful at this point.

One reality is the head may not agree with the feet let alone give care to their distress and if we are at their heels here: it's a possibility the case may never get the attention it is asking for.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

One idea has come to me.

The guys at 'nba2klab' might be willing to run a test on how dunking tendencies do affect dunk frequencies in this year's title for both users and CPU and not CPU alone.

Should they come up with data that speaks with resounding evidence: it will give your case and the case for other tendencies tied to abilities the platform they need for building an understanding between business and community regarding how the two parts work together to influence outcomes.

I'll reach out to them over Twitter today at my earliest convenience.

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[mrmaupie]

Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

I played around and have a little vc invested in both a slasing playmaker and a slashing shot creator. Both 6'7 200 lbs like a penny build.

First i was leaning towards the playmaker but after reading (and experiencing) this i think i will continue on my shot creator.

I like getting assists but found i can do that easily with any archeatype anyway.

Does anyone know the dunk tendencies for a slashing shot creator pg ?

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