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  • Vroman
    Pro
    • Aug 2014
    • 959

    #46
    Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

    People so overlook post scoring on their mc players. Shot Creators , Rebounders and Sharpshooter (or having any of them in combo) gives u just enough post offense ratings to bead non-good post defender 1v1 down low .

    Here is some clips i've gathered with my 6'6 sharpshooter+playmaker on superstar difficulty MC games and park.

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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #47
      Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

      Originally posted by jeebs9
      Really 24th?..... Street Fighter music. We need to talk about your musicly selection here

      Let not post that much info. Let these kids learn lol. Or at least watch YouTube of these classic players.

      Anyone saying the up and under doesn't work. Isn't using it right. The up and under shouldn't "just work" That is the beauty of the post game. The up and under only works when the defender jumps towards you. If he just jumps up and down it won't work. You have to recognize what is happening. If the defender just goes up and down. Then use fade away. These kids just want the one more game over. That's scary. 2k literally hands you a army swiss knife of moves.

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      Lol whatever man...it was saved to my PS4 & I didn't feel like exporting ...I hate the silence..

      I agree though, the post game has seen some dark times in 2k...this year isnt one of them....Im shocked when I hear someone say its ineffective. I'm confident enough in the post game to try and seal the game vs a GSW user who can hit 3 3's in 15 seconds, lol

      The counters work, the responsiveness of the finishing hand works. So when I run into a 'jumper' trying to block me with his stomach...I just wait him out...

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      • Nickstank
        Pro
        • Oct 2015
        • 839

        #48
        Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

        Originally posted by jeebs9
        Anyone saying the up and under doesn't work. Isn't using it right. The up and under shouldn't "just work" That is the beauty of the post game. The up and under only works when the defender jumps towards you. If he just jumps up and down it won't work. You have to recognize what is happening. If the defender just goes up and down. Then use fade away. These kids just want the one more game over. That's scary. 2k literally hands you a army swiss knife of moves.
        I'm one of the people who says the up and under doesn't work, but we're playing in two different worlds. Your posts and videos show you play online a lot. I'm strictly talking about playing the CPU. From my experience with the up and under, it is entirely ineffective against the CPU unless a much smaller defender is switched onto you. Even then, they never bite...but you can finish over them. I'm sure it's a great tool online because guys love to jump on the first move, but against the CPU it's nerfed.

        The whole point of this thread and my labbing has been to figure out which of the moves available to us are most effective against the CPU, and at which times. Some of the moves are too OP (the Dream Shake fade) while others are almost entirely useless (regular Post Hook towards the key and the up and under) because of how the computer reacts to them and the general quality of the contests that come from those various animations.

        I understand the incredible bounty of moves available to us this year, and the post game is more fluid and fun than it's ever been. That said, the effectiveness of each individual move should be more widely varied when using an elite post scorer against the CPU, instead of some moves being useless and others almost indefensible.
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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47562

          #49
          Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

          Originally posted by Vroman
          People so overlook post scoring on their mc players. Shot Creators , Rebounders and Sharpshooter (or having any of them in combo) gives u just enough post offense ratings to bead non-good post defender 1v1 down low .

          Here is some clips i've gathered with my 6'6 sharpshooter+playmaker on superstar difficulty MC games and park.

          Wow nice moves here at the park. I can tell defender standing with his hands up. Was like what the **** do I do? Lol
          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
          Lol whatever man...it was saved to my PS4 & I didn't feel like exporting ...I hate the silence..

          I agree though, the post game has seen some dark times in 2k...this year isnt one of them....Im shocked when I hear someone say its ineffective. I'm confident enough in the post game to try and seal the game vs a GSW user who can hit 3 3's in 15 seconds, lol

          The counters work, the responsiveness of the finishing hand works. So when I run into a 'jumper' trying to block me with his stomach...I just wait him out...

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          By the way, you know I'm kidding about the music lol. Because I hate the sleint myself. Finding copyright free music is hard lol.

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          • Ragnar53
            Pro
            • Mar 2014
            • 538

            #50
            Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

            I'm a couple of days late, but the video is rendering now. This process might take a while. Because I literally just streamed it 25 minutes ago on my ps4.

            You get all sorts of cool looking moves once you start experimenting in the post. And the different post fades and hooks you get depends on the different fades and animations a player has.

            Right now what the video is showing is just practice, but I'll do it against the CPU once I take a nap after I finish explaining how I do in the moves in the time stamp.

            I will say, that all of the moves that include a shimmy of sorts are extremely effective. Especially the shimmy hooks out of the different post positions. They cover so much ground.
            Last edited by Ragnar53; 10-01-2017, 10:21 AM.

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            • jeebs9
              Fear is the Unknown
              • Oct 2008
              • 47562

              #51
              Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

              Originally posted by Nickstank
              I'm one of the people who says the up and under doesn't work, but we're playing in two different worlds. Your posts and videos show you play online a lot. I'm strictly talking about playing the CPU. From my experience with the up and under, it is entirely ineffective against the CPU unless a much smaller defender is switched onto you. Even then, they never bite...but you can finish over them. I'm sure it's a great tool online because guys love to jump on the first move, but against the CPU it's nerfed.

              The whole point of this thread and my labbing has been to figure out which of the moves available to us are most effective against the CPU, and at which times. Some of the moves are too OP (the Dream Shake fade) while others are almost entirely useless (regular Post Hook towards the key and the up and under) because of how the computer reacts to them and the general quality of the contests that come from those various animations.

              I understand the incredible bounty of moves available to us this year, and the post game is more fluid and fun than it's ever been. That said, the effectiveness of each individual move should be more widely varied when using an elite post scorer against the CPU, instead of some moves being useless and others almost indefensible.
              I guess here is the thing. Some of the videos I've posted are vs the CPU. Off ball human are the same thing. I don't know if we're arguing the same point. But I will repeat my statement again. You have to watch how your defender reacts to moves. Even the CPU can get shaken by a fake. Or can choose the wrong direction. Coming in here asking for the most effective moves sounds like the buzz words I hear all the time aka money moves.

              It's been my biggest honor every year to talk and get rid of those effective moves you are talking about. Only 3 moves the offense player should be asking himself. Do I have a height advantage, and do I finish with a hook, fade away or Layup/Dunk?

              Playing with Dirk has to feel different than playing with a Duncan or Shaq. Their moves are not going to be "the effective" move you use with everyone.


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              • Ragnar53
                Pro
                • Mar 2014
                • 538

                #52
                Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

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                Kay. What I did at the 52 second mark, is I faced up (on the right block I hit LT, then flicked the Left Stick to the right) then double tapped Square to get the post spin jumper. Depending on where you are on the court, and where your lead foot is, you'll either shoot a post spin jumper to the left or the right.

                What I'm doing at the 1 minute 10 second mark, is switching whether I want my pivot foot forward, or my lead foot forward. And this is done just by pressing either forward on the left stick (bringing your lead foot in front, pivot in back) or by pressing down on the left stick (bringing your lead foot back, making your pivot foot forward).

                Now what I'm doing at 1 minute and 56 seconds is going into the back turned position of the triple threat then going into the different fadeaways out of it. And of course you have your shimmy to the left and right.

                At the 3 minute mark is me going to the the lead foot forward triple threat position. 4 minute mark is when I start experimenting with the shimmys you can do out of the position. 4 minute 40 second is when I experiment with the post hop shot you can do out of it. 5 minute 20 second mark is the post spin jumpers.

                At the 6 minute mark is me going into the pivot foot forward triple threat/post position and testing the post fadeaways. 6 minute 45 seconds is me experimenting with the post spin jumpers out of it. 7 minutes 10 seconds if me doing the post shimmys out of it.

                Now at 8 minutes is me switching to Shaq and getting ready to show you one of the dropsteps available to you. As a sidenote, you also do different dropsteps depending on distance from the rim and whether you do the dropstop towards the baseline or the middle. There's around 8 different dropsteps in the game. I think I missed 1 of the other ones in the video. It was a spinning cuff dropstep with 1 hand. I think Hakeem may be the only one who has it, but I have to go check again. After I get some sleep.

                At 8 minutes and 30 seconds that spin/tornado dropstep is performed simply by being in the high post area and holding the left stick towards the baseline (diagonally left in this instance) and tapping square. At 8 minutes and 40 seconds I do it from the other high post area, left stick towards the baseline (diagonally right in this instance).

                From 9 to 9 minute 50 second mark was me demonstrating that it's impossible to do a hook shot from the face up position.

                At 10 minutes and 20 seconds is me doing all of the hook shots from the back turned position. At the 11 minute mark was me doing a shimmy hook to the left (hold right trigger, move the right stick diagonally left) from the back turned position. It looks halfways between a floater and a hook shot. This is more useful against a user as this is likely to catch them completely off guard and it'll most likely register as open. Against the CPU the little shimmy beforehand might catch them off guard enough to get it to drop a little more frequently. At 11 minutes and 22 seconds is me performing a shimmy hook to the right. That one is actually really really really good to use, because you get a lot of seperation on it (important for the computer). Couple that with most people expecting you get as close to the basket as possible with a big man (especially one that can't shoot fadeaways), it's really useful against other players as well.

                At 11 minutes 45 seconds was me doing the dropsteps out of the backturned position (both towards the baseline and towards the middle).

                At 12 minute 40 seconds is me doing the hookshots from the lead foot forward post position. The regular hook shot looks almost like a push floater. This is really useful for if your big man catches the ball in an awkward spot, yet his defender is in the restricted circle. You'll notice that these look really similiar to the hook shots shown early, except they are regular hook shots and don't register as shimmys (since I'm not doing the shimmy motion to do them, thus I get no shot meter). See at 13 minutes and 10 seconds how much seperation that hook shot gets?

                At 13 minutes and 57 seconds I show you the dropsteps you can do out of this position. That one is actually really good. At 14 minutes and 35 seconds I show you the shimmy hook shots out of this position. All of these are good.

                At 15 minutes and 19 seconds I show the post moves out of the pivot foot forward post position, starting with the regular hooks. At 15 minutes and 50 seconds I start showing off the shimmy hooks.

                On that right block in that post position the combo that is deadly is the dropstep towards the middle of the paint I show at 16 minutes and 46 seconds. And the counter move is the post shimmy hook to the right, because of the left shoulder dipping almost as low as the dropstep.

                Then there is the combo I did at 17 minutes and 30 seconds. At 17 minutes and 50 seconds I finally managed to get that fundamental drop step shown off. Then from 18 minutes and 20 seconds onwards is me showing off combos you can do.

                That's it for the post moves. I'm done. I'm going to sleep.

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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #53
                  Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                  This guy wasnt falling for any of my fakes so I had to go str8 at him...love this sweep move..



                  I can't pull it off consistently though....

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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47562

                    #54
                    Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                    This guy wasnt falling for any of my fakes so I had to go str8 at him...love this sweep move..



                    I can't pull it off consistently though....

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                    Haha Haven't seen that yet. This must be part of the Cradle/Running Hook shot option. I need to start using other players. Been running hard with Nets-Kings.

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                    • olajuwon34
                      Pro
                      • Aug 2017
                      • 681

                      #55
                      Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                      Originally posted by jeebs9
                      I guess here is the thing. Some of the videos I've posted are vs the CPU. Off ball human are the same thing. I don't know if we're arguing the same point. But I will repeat my statement again. You have to watch how your defender reacts to moves. Even the CPU can get shaken by a fake. Or can choose the wrong direction. Coming in here asking for the most effective moves sounds like the buzz words I hear all the time aka money moves.

                      It's been my biggest honor every year to talk and get rid of those effective moves you are talking about. Only 3 moves the offense player should be asking himself. Do I have a height advantage, and do I finish with a hook, fade away or Layup/Dunk?

                      Playing with Dirk has to feel different than playing with a Duncan or Shaq. Their moves are not going to be "the effective" move you use with everyone.


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                      I think the post in reality revolves around "money moves" thats why im thrown off this year. And after watching 24th letter i see how your playing in the post, lots of faking online users, and getting people out of position. Offline is a different story, i think the dev's tried to program the post for offline and online play, but couldnt make both balanced. The cpu offline can literally not jump at any of your fakes, but time they're jump perfectly the millisecond you leave your feet for a shot, which is extremely difficult in real life. All that im asking is that we be able to hit a contested hook shot every now and than. Hakeem was one of the best post players ever and he started everything with his jump hook, and countered from there, going to spins, fadeaways etc, but he could hit his hook shot even if he was smothered, but 2k has taking that ability away in this one.

                      but i dont know if im just bad at this years post, cause i dont know if i should use the stick or button when performing moves in the post, do you guys use the shot stick when performing moves in the post?
                      Last edited by olajuwon34; 10-01-2017, 03:48 PM.

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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #56
                        Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                        I use the stick personally...but tbh, it sounds like you have it made up in your mind that the post game doesn't work man....I'm not having a lot of issues on/offline- can you show us some videos of your experience? Maybe guys can help....


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                        • jeebs9
                          Fear is the Unknown
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 47562

                          #57
                          Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                          Originally posted by olajuwon34
                          I think the post in reality revolves around "money moves" thats why im thrown off this year. And after watching 24th letter i see how your playing in the post, lots of faking online users, and getting people out of position. Offline is a different story, i think the dev's tried to program the post for offline and online play, but couldnt make both balanced. The cpu offline can literally not jump at any of your fakes, but time they're jump perfectly the millisecond you leave your feet for a shot, which is extremely difficult in real life. All that im asking is that we be able to hit a contested hook shot every now and than. Hakeem was one of the best post players ever and he started everything with his jump hook, and countered from there, going to spins, fadeaways etc, but he could hit his hook shot even if he was smothered, but 2k has taking that ability away in this one.

                          but i dont know if im just bad at this years post, cause i dont know if i should use the stick or button when performing moves in the post, do you guys use the shot stick when performing moves in the post?
                          I agree with 24th on this one. I haven't had any problems with the post game. If you could post some videos. I'd love to see it.

                          I just had my cousin over just to show him how to play 2k. I usually have the guys over for Sunday football and 2k in another room. He came over early. So I could show him how to dribble and finish with the shot stick. He's been getting on my nerves because he just doesn't learn from his loses. Like after you've watched someone get blown out repeatedly by 30 or more points. You have to say something lol. Today, (after about 5 games) he finally beat me in a game. This was after 2 hours of scrimmages with before everyone made it lol.

                          So please post videos and we can talk if you want to. I'm more then willing to help.

                          I got this Jokic and Gasol video in the works. Hopefully I can post tomorrow.

                          Just to add. I use the stick too.

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                          • Nickstank
                            Pro
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 839

                            #58
                            Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                            Originally posted by jeebs9
                            I guess here is the thing. Some of the videos I've posted are vs the CPU. Off ball human are the same thing. I don't know if we're arguing the same point. But I will repeat my statement again. You have to watch how your defender reacts to moves. Even the CPU can get shaken by a fake. Or can choose the wrong direction. Coming in here asking for the most effective moves sounds like the buzz words I hear all the time aka money moves.

                            It's been my biggest honor every year to talk and get rid of those effective moves you are talking about. Only 3 moves the offense player should be asking himself. Do I have a height advantage, and do I finish with a hook, fade away or Layup/Dunk?

                            Playing with Dirk has to feel different than playing with a Duncan or Shaq. Their moves are not going to be "the effective" move you use with everyone.


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                            I think we are talking about the same thing, in a way. We agree that players should play differently in the post i.e. Dirk and Boogie are both extremely effective in the post IRL but in very different ways. My experience with my post labbing has shown me this isn't the case in the game. Post success for guys with elite ratings is heavily dependent on animations, and certain moves are far more effective than others regardless of what elite post player you're using. In that way, the game isn't as realistic as it could be. Kareem's hook shot shouldn't drop at a worse rate than Andre Roberson 3's, but they do. Post Shimmy Hooks and Fades shouldn't give you an "open" or "wide open" shot almost every single time, but they do.

                            I've been labbing the post game because I find it really fun, probably even more so than running good offense and finding an open 3. There's something really enjoyable about being able to consistently score on a defender 1-on-1 down low. That said, I wish players' games were more varied in the post. I dropped 20 with Derrick Favors in 11 minutes of playing time on Superstar difficulty the other day by using almost exclusively Post Shimmy Fades and Hooks. Favors isn't in the top tier of post scorers, but he plays like it when you use certain shots because the CPU doesn't do a good job of defending them. I think the results of all post moves should vary more widely, and should mirror individual players' games more. It would make for a more realistic experience, and it would allow for the unique games of certain players to shine.
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                            • olajuwon34
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                              • Aug 2017
                              • 681

                              #59
                              Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                              Iv seen your video 24th, and like i said, what you were doing was taking advantage of online users being out of position, and faking a bunch of times, and by the way you traveled on half of those moves, so already the post has nothing to stand on.

                              Watch this video and you'll see how Shaquille and Hakeem both score most they're points while in the post, with they're "money moves".



                              Its not like they faked a bunch of times to get the defender jumping, or did a magical drop step to activate some animation that froze they're defender so they could get an open shot off. They got the ball in they're dominant position in the post, and got they're shots off, hook shots, fadeaways, and most were contested, but thats how those shots work. Thats why you had to double team elite post scorers like this in real basketball. In nba 2k18 im pretty sure the cpu doesnt even double the post offline.

                              Try and do back to the basket moves offline now, on anything all star and higher, hook shots will not drop unless you somehow get if off open, or get the good hook shot animation, which is pathetic. Get footage of you hitting Kareem Abdul-jabbars famous sky hook going into the lane while in the post.





                              What am i thinking trying to do hook shots though right? i should just do up and unders and travel everywhere or drop step a defender out of bounds or like hes a statue. 24th you guys have clearly learned the way that 2k wants the user to play in the post in this game, its just its no where near the realistic way of playing in the post.

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                              • Ragnar53
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2014
                                • 538

                                #60
                                Re: Becoming a Post God - Post Your Tips Here

                                Random annectdote. Doing a shoulder fake before going into a post hook gets you a relatively open look a majority of the time. Sometimes even wide open because the defender is now disengaged from your body.

                                Aggressively backing down then going immediately into a hook works if you have a sizeable strength advantage (At least +10 more strength). It creates enough space to get a clean fade away or hook shot off.

                                This does make it difficult to play like Lamarcus Aldridge in this game and his struggle buckets. The man shoots contested fadeaways over his right shoulder on the left block All The Time whenever he gets bullied out of good post position. And doing those sorts of fadeaways is a no go unless you literally spend a couple hours in scrimmage getting the timing for it perfect (there are some shots I hit with Anthony Davis I have no business hitting) when you're getting smothered by defense.

                                Which brings me to my next point. You're just going to have to learn how to green shots out of the post if you're going for realism. Just like if you want to use Demar like he plays in real life you're gonna have to learn how to green contested mid ranges.

                                Which goes into the whole mantra of good defense, better offense. You can't guard that, it was perfect.

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