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  • The 24th Letter
    ERA
    • Oct 2007
    • 39373

    #31
    Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

    Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
    Haven’t tried to charge yet because I’m afraid of what will happen lol. But reaching is a foul every time . Pro am btw
    Same, its a foul everytime..

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    • jeebs9
      Fear is the Unknown
      • Oct 2008
      • 47562

      #32
      Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

      Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
      I want to say never. I posted some videos in the PNO thread, and T-Mac never picked up the ball.

      EDIT: Here it is. Make note that he ran into David West who has the Bruiser badge.

      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iCix6L1-6fg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
      That's was a great example!

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      • jeebs9
        Fear is the Unknown
        • Oct 2008
        • 47562

        #33
        Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
        I want to say never. I posted some videos in the PNO thread, and T-Mac never picked up the ball.

        EDIT: Here it is. Make note that he ran into David West who has the Bruiser badge.

        <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iCix6L1-6fg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
        Here a question for you guys. Has anyone seen any other animation in that situation. I've seen that same above the above the head layup animation each time. What I have seen is a player like Jason Kidd strip the offensive player.

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        • zrohman
          Pro
          • Nov 2013
          • 834

          #34
          Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

          The ball already flies everywhere, defenders just have to walk into your man and you will dribble off him. I agree we need to increase steals but worry about how it will effect the game.

          My main concern is that we will bump down contested layups to the point that only Lebron naked them. Realistically 1 on 1, plenty of players would shoot a decent percentage on a contested layup. I agree it could be toned down, just worry we will get them turned down too much.

          I think computer ai fouls should be turned down. I think that would be one of the more effective moves

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          • ksuttonjr76
            All Star
            • Nov 2004
            • 8662

            #35
            Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

            Of course. Now that I need video evidence, my next three PNO opponents were "regular players" I blew out by double digits.

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            • Mintsa
              All Star
              • Aug 2002
              • 6667

              #36
              Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

              I agree with KSutt.

              This happened when they needed lay ups. Now easy layups plus hip ride animation is way to strong.

              One of them has to go.....

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              • Kodii Rockets
                I smell sulfur...
                • Sep 2007
                • 2670

                #37
                Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                I genuinely think a LOT of this would be solved by bringing back the charges from last year, if there was the slightest threat that barreling down hill every possession would give a charging animation from the immediate defender(caught in the riding animation), as well as the help side defender it would nullify a lot of this mess.

                As 24th iterated, the defense needs something and I'd think it be more aesthetically pleasing if there was more give and take in regards to blocking/charging fouls during that animation.

                I think the gameplay is nearly flawless this year, but one HUGE aspect that 17 has over 18 in that regard is that split second where you didn't know which way the foul call was going to go, I feel it was brilliantly implemented last year, but sadly, pretty much non existent in 18.
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                • GroveStreetCJ
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 90

                  #38
                  Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                  Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                  Said it from the jump...it was a delicate balance that (IMO) was working....making guys have to account for their layup timing made guys at least have to THINK about driving into crowds....

                  Raising the % on lay up' s predictably threw things out if whack....My thing is, by the time they buffed It, people were starting to get accustomed to it.
                  If the hip animation triggers I usually drag my center over and anticipate where the hip animation will end and just hold the charge button. Worst case scenario it’s a blocking foul on the ground and they take it out on the side and I can reset the defense. Best case it’s a charge, they dribble into me or they pass it off the guy standing in the charge position (happens more than you think). I also switch my off ball D to no help so they can’t get cheap kick out threes.

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                  • ezsmilez
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 475

                    #39
                    Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                    Yea hip riding animation can be countered if you’re shading heavily to the side that he’s trying to drive to. A lot of the times it’ll result in a bump steal.

                    You’re giving up the lane in the opposite direction to the basket, but hopefully that’s where your help defender is.

                    I don’t know if I have an issue with layup success rates bc I mainly play online in a lg and I’m not seeing high %s. Before when I was playing PNO it seemed balanced.

                    It would be hard to judge playing PNO if guys are using all time teams, but regular squads haven’t given me any issues


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                    • Luke Skywalker
                      Pro
                      • Dec 2014
                      • 917

                      #40
                      Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                      Layups are ridiculous this year! I notice this a lot in MyTeam as well, everyone just goes in for the layup. It kind of pisses me off when you see George Hill making layups with ease in traffic.

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                      • jeebs9
                        Fear is the Unknown
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 47562

                        #41
                        Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                        Originally posted by Luke Skywalker
                        Layups are ridiculous this year! I notice this a lot in MyTeam as well, everyone just goes in for the layup. It kind of pisses me off when you see George Hill making layups with ease in traffic.
                        And that's exactly the problem. It's Harden and James I'm ok. But Hill just make layup after layup. That's a hell no.
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                        • NINJAK2
                          *S *dd*ct
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 6185

                          #42
                          Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                          Consider me a prisoner of the moment but after going to HOU v. POR ball game last night I saw people like Harden, Dame, cp3, constantly triggering hip ride animations and getting to the paint. lol. Maybe 2k needs to focus on improving help d..
                          EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                          • Rockie_Fresh88
                            Lockdown Defender
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 9621

                            #43
                            Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                            Originally posted by NINJAK2
                            Consider me a prisoner of the moment but after going to HOU v. POR ball game last night I saw people like Harden, Dame, cp3, constantly triggering hip ride animations and getting to the paint. lol. Maybe 2k needs to focus on improving help d..
                            Slow down there . Dame shot 5/17 . CP3 was 6/16. Harden had a great game I’ll admit. But the success rate in pro am does not portray the actual nba percentages .
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                            • NINJAK2
                              *S *dd*ct
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 6185

                              #44
                              Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                              Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                              Slow down there . Dame shot 5/17 . CP3 was 6/16. Harden had a great game I’ll admit. But the success rate in pro am does not portray the actual nba percentages .
                              No doubt Rockie. I was just saying it's literally impossible to stop these guys from getting into the paint without help d IRL..One on one = Hip ride 70-80% of the time...at least last night. Getting by with hip ride shouldn't mean an automatic bucket and these guys missed a lot of inside shots after getting by their man due to help d contests or just missing all together.

                              I'm telling you though that with 2k trying to appeal to two crowds at the same time (both sim and the instant gratification mindset) they will continue to struggle with balancing this title from a gameplay perspective. Principles of sim mindset should also go into the pro am and my park models as well..imo
                              EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                              • jfsolo
                                Live Action, please?
                                • May 2003
                                • 12965

                                #45
                                Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

                                Originally posted by NINJAK2
                                No doubt Rockie. I was just saying it's literally impossible to stop these guys from getting into the paint without help d IRL..One on one = Hip ride 70-80% of the time...at least last night. Getting by with hip ride shouldn't mean an automatic bucket and these guys missed a lot of inside shots after getting by their man due to help d contests or just missing all together.

                                I'm telling you though that with 2k trying to appeal to two crowds at the same time (both sim and the instant gratification mindset) they will continue to struggle with balancing this title from a gameplay perspective. Principles of sim mindset should also go into the pro am and my park models as well..imo
                                Sim principle are never going into the park, IMO, and won't go into pro am unless they create two separate pro am modes, one that is based on getting people prepared to try and make the 2K league(sim principles in there) and regular pro am that is still more loose.
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