Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

No doubt Rockie. I was just saying it's literally impossible to stop these guys from getting into the paint without help d IRL..One on one = Hip ride 70-80% of the time...at least last night. Getting by with hip ride shouldn't mean an automatic bucket and these guys missed a lot of inside shots after getting by their man due to help d contests or just missing all together.

I'm telling you though that with 2k trying to appeal to two crowds at the same time (both sim and the instant gratification mindset) they will continue to struggle with balancing this title from a gameplay perspective. Principles of sim mindset should also go into the pro am and my park models as well..imo

Yeah, you're not wrong on that aspect at all....that goes for the majority of the NBA games you watch....there's a lot of penetration, especially with the way the floor is spread now....but it's up to the help defense and a helping the helper to contain it....

There just isn't a bunch of constant pushing back on the perimeter....maybe more of that should be allowed in Park play etc....but as far as 5 on 5 goes, help defense definitely needs to be a huge focus....





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[ataman5]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

Overall consideration should be not to nerf but to evolve different aspect of the game and physicality so that things that shine as a problem will get balanced by improving the areas that are left out and so we'll get there where the realism is...

[howardphillips214]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

I definitely am not upset at the hip ride this year, that's not the issue. It's the fact that you can left stick cheese into it at will. It's that people never lose the ball right before they trigger it when pro 6 behind the back teleports them through your body (I've seen this so many times it's absurd. There's literally an animation where he loses the ball, it disconnects from his hands completely then ZIP right back).

I concur that NON finishing characters have NO business finishing like they do. Not everyone should just be able to equip "explosive" layup package and finish better. INCLUDING players on my friends list who have big men with glitched animations that had trouble making contact layup with the big men packages, regardless of ratings, but immediately saw a return from the glitch.

I'm tired of money shot animations. There's not even a comparison of my shooting percentages using shots I feel like I TIMED better. to when I equipped base 9 and feel like I butcher that release almost every time but it greens.

It's like this game is so twisted, everything's connected and it's ALL to please casuals. It's getting gross.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

Yeah, you're not wrong on that aspect at all....that goes for the majority of the NBA games you watch....there's a lot of penetration, especially with the way the floor is spread now....but it's up to the help defense and a helping the helper to contain it....

There just isn't a bunch of constant pushing back on the perimeter....maybe more of that should be allowed in Park play etc....but as far as 5 on 5 goes, help defense definitely needs to be a huge focus....





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Definitely agree. Just give us more tools to counter. Help defense does help in pro am walk on . One problem with help defense in pro am though are the 5 out offenses. So a three pointer has just as high of success rate as layups . People can go 16/16 on threes . So a lower three percentage is well needed. Also in the half court setting chase down blocks are automatic fouls. Any block or vertical contest behind someone is a foul . I’m cool with that for low shot blockers. But lockdowns should be able to block that like Lebron . Force pickups in some of these situatioms.

If I’m STAYING with a guy while he is constantly forcing the turbo button for this animation give him an offensive foul. Don’t let him basically slide me to the basket . Especially If I beat him there.

Sometimes I know the animation is coming , cut the offensive player off and literally watch him turbo in place until 2k either slides me out the way or let him clip through me .

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

Definitely agree. Just give us more tools to counter. Help defense does help in pro am walk on . One problem with help defense in pro am though are the 5 out offenses. So a three pointer has just as high of success rate as layups . People can go 16/16 on threes . So a lower three percentage is well needed. Also in the half court setting chase down blocks are automatic fouls. Any block or vertical contest behind someone is a foul . I’m cool with that for low shot blockers. But lockdowns should be able to block that like Lebron . Force pickups in some of these situatioms.

If I’m STAYING with a guy while he is constantly forcing the turbo button for this animation give him an offensive foul. Don’t let him basically slide me to the basket . Especially If I beat him there.

Sometimes I know the animation is coming , cut the offensive player off and literally watch him turbo in place until 2k either slides me out the way or let him clip through me .

I'm definitely with you....said something similar earlier in the thread....

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

Got JJ Reddick on Harden ? Oh yeah that animation should happen . No problem there.

[jeebs9]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

I definitely am not upset at the hip ride this year, that's not the issue. It's the fact that you can left stick cheese into it at will. It's that people never lose the ball right before they trigger it when pro 6 behind the back teleports them through your body (I've seen this so many times it's absurd. There's literally an animation where he loses the ball, it disconnects from his hands completely then ZIP right back).

I concur that NON finishing characters have NO business finishing like they do. Not everyone should just be able to equip "explosive" layup package and finish better. INCLUDING players on my friends list who have big men with glitched animations that had trouble making contact layup with the big men packages, regardless of ratings, but immediately saw a return from the glitch.

I'm tired of money shot animations. There's not even a comparison of my shooting percentages using shots I feel like I TIMED better. to when I equipped base 9 and feel like I butcher that release almost every time but it greens.

It's like this game is so twisted, everything's connected and it's ALL to please casuals. It's getting gross.

Agree here!

[Johnnythelegend]

Re: Either Nerf Layups or the Hip-Riding Animation!

Hip-Riding animation isn't a problem itself, but it happens too much, too often, it shouldn't be so easy to trigger, yeah it seems as players IRL such as Harden get to the basket at will, but they have to put some moves, dribble, shake the defender, to blow by them, in 2K18 you can just press turbo and you will blow by the defender.

Help defense on the other hand, maybe online players are not aware of that, is terrible this year and needs a major tuning, bad pick and roll awereness, no help defense on a drive, not contesting the layups, on ball screens are too effective actually defense overall needs a huge upgrade, I feel like you have so many options on offense but there's lack of (effective) tools on defensive end.