NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Wait how is Clint Capela an 87?

Have you played with Houston before. I could tell you last month they weren't the number one team in the league. Them and the Celtics were really not up to the par. I'm guessing this just to boost every more. And he had that 9 dunk game the other day.

https://youtu.be/4MkFKxSUgKg

https://youtu.be/9ETcl6XyhoE

He'll come back down.


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[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Wait how is Clint Capela an 87?

1st in FG% / eFG% / TS%
6th in PER
7th in ORB rate
3rd in DRB rate
3rd in Rebound rate
2nd in BLK rate
2nd in Offensive Rating
2nd in Defensive Rating
4th in Win Shares per minute
Literally the glue of the league's 2nd best team.

How is he NOT an 87?

Like its's comical nobody bats an eye to Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman getting high ratings on top tier teams but when an elite rebounder like Hassan Whiteside or Clint Capela show any semblance of offensive skill and earn a high rating everyone loses their damn mind.

Like ya'll know every contender would take Capela over Andre Drummond or Dwight Howard, right?
DeAndre Jordan lead the league in FG% five straight years. Capela snatched that and whaddya know isn't a 40% FT shooter?!

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

My Hawks ratings vs 2K

82/PG Dennis Schroder
80/C DeWayne Dedmon (+2)
80/C John Collins (+2)
79/SG Kent Bazemore (+1)
77/SG Marco Belinelli (+1)
76/PF Ersan Ilyasova (-1)
76/SF Taurean Prince
72/PF Luke Babbitt (-3)
72/PF Tyler Cavanaugh
72/PG Malcolm Delaney
72/PG Isaiah Taylor (+1)
71/C Miles Plumlee (+1)
71/C Mike Muscala (-2)
69/SF DeAndre Bembry
67/SG Tyler Dorsey
67/PG Josh Magette

This is without me gassing up these Intangibles ratings to make it look like I'm doing something. There's a reason they ain't telling you what Attributes got updated this year.

2K INTANGIBLES COMPARISON
82/PG Dennis Schroder (65 Intangibles)
78/C DeWayne Dedmon (80 Intangibles)
78/PF John Collins (65 Intangibles)
78/SG Kent Bazemore (75 Intangibles)
77/PF Ersan Ilyasova (80 Intangibles)
76/SG Marco Belinelli (90 Intangibles)
76/SF Taurean Prince (74 Intangibles)
75/PF Luke Babbitt (95 Intangibles) - LOL
73/C Mike Muscala (84 Intangibles)
72/PF Tyler Cavanaugh (82 Intangibles)
72/PG Malcolm Delaney (79 Intangibles)
72/PG Isaiah Taylor (60 Intangibles)
70/C Miles Plumlee (80 Intangibles)
69/SF DeAndre Bembry (60 Intangibles)
67/SG Tyler Dorsey (60 Intangibles)
67/PG Josh Magette (60 Intangibles)
1,182 Total OVR

Ilyasova was a +30 Intangibles in this update which accounts for the entirety of his OVR change. How many others are there like him in the roster? I wouldn't exactly bank on him being the only one.

How these ratings would look if all players had 60 Intangibles
82/PG Dennis Schroder
78/PF John Collins
77/SG Kent Bazemore
76/C DeWayne Dedmon
75/SF Taurean Prince
75/PF Ersan Ilyasova
73/SG Marco Belinelli
72/PG Isaiah Taylor
72/PF Luke Babbitt
71/C Mike Muscala
70/PF Tyler Cavanaugh
70/PG Malcolm Delaney
69/SF DeAndre Bembry
68/C Miles Plumlee
67/SG Tyler Dorsey
67/PG Josh Magette
1,162 Total OVR (20 points of OVR added to the Hawks by Intangibles inflation)

Be honest about how these OVR ratings look once you rip the band-aid off. You've got Atlanta's 6th man in a career year clinging by a thread over their 3rd string PG.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Knicks Overall Comparison
89 Porzingis (-2)
83 Kanter
80 Hardaway (+1)
78 Beasley (+5)
77 O'Quinn
76 Lee (-1)
75 Hernangomez
74 Noah
74 Ntilikina
73 Baker (+4)
73 Jack
73 McDermott
72 Sessions
70 Thomas
68 Dotson (-1)
65 Kornet
66 Hicks

Let's put aside that these ratings are clear Basura (Courtney Lee down?? Ron Baker on par with Jack and McDermott?)

Knicks Intangibles Comparison
98 Kanter
90 Porzingis (-8)
88 Hernangomez
85 Beasley (+30)
78 Hardaway
78 Baker (+8)
75 Noah
70 Sessions
70 Kornet
65 O'Quinn (+10)
60 Lee
60 Ntilikina
60 Jack (+10)
60 Thomas
50 McDermott
50 Dotson
35 Hicks

Here we have yet another player who had a massive improvement yet over half of it is due to this one "band-aidtribute".

Standardized for 60 Intangibles
86 Porzingis (-3)
79 Kanter (-4)
78 Hardaway
77 O'Quinn
76 Lee
75 Beasley (-3)
74 Ntilikina
74 McDermott (+1)
73 Jack
73 Noah (-1)
72 Hernangomez (-3)
71 Baker (-2)
71 Sessions (-1)
70 Thomas
69 Dotson (+1)
69 Hicks (+3)
64 Kornet

LOL the 2K's Knicks ratings are so bad this might actually qualify as an improvement right here.
By comparison only 12 OVR were netted by Intangibles compared to 20 for the Hawks. However the Knicks gained a net of 50 Intangibles (5 fake OVR) in the last update which is close to half that total.

My overall point is that this is "progress" for the sake of progress, and an issue that seems like it will get worse as the season goes on, not better.

[BluFu]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Like its's comical nobody bats an eye to Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman getting high ratings on top tier teams but when an elite rebounder like Hassan Whiteside or Clint Capela show any semblance of offensive skill and earn a high rating everyone loses their damn mind.

Because they're 2 of the greatest defenders of all time.. lol

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

The one player. I just don't think is getting Enough love is Tyreke Evans. Dudes been tearing it up for a few months now.

https://youtu.be/HaYn8j9OKaQ

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[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Because they're 2 of the greatest defenders of all time.. lol

I laughed at that too.

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[Hollywood2417]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

We're getting MONTHLY roster updates and everyone is cool with this because Intangibles mask how out of date the roster ratings really are.



Fun exercise: Bring everyone to 60 Intangibles and see what their true OVR ratings are. The facade crumbles pretty quickly after that.





This is what, the 4th roster update since the game dropped? We've already had twice the number of patches.

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID this
the entire roster from current to legends is way off intangibles inflated the ovr


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[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID this
the entire roster from current to legends is way off intangibles inflated the ovr


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Rashid says a lot things. Problem is he doesn't know the full story just like anyone else in here (me included).

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[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Because they're 2 of the greatest defenders of all time.. lol

And two of the worst offensive players of all-time. Don't pretend they were franchise players. A two-way player is logically going to have a higher rating than a specialist.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Rashidi says a lot things. Problem is he doesn't know the full story just like anyone else in here (me included).

RASHIDI says a lot of things, but he isn't just talk. Unlike other cats who can't keep his name out their mouth, Rashidi puts IN the work to get the full-story. He doesn't just spend his life chirping away on a forum.

[Real2KInsider]

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Michael Beasley
78 Overall (+5)
Position: PF
Archetype: Offensive-Minded Four

OFFENSE
89 Standing Layup
85 Driving Layup (+7)
75 Post Fade
60 Post Hook
68 Post Control
62 Draw Foul (+11)
96 Shot Close (+21)
73 Open Shot Mid (-12)
70 Contested Mid (-10)
72 Off-Dribble Mid
75 Open Shot 3pt (+7)
51 Contested 3pt
40 Off-Dribble 3pt
74 Free Throw
63 Ball Control
41 Pass Vision (-5)
52 Pass IQ
50 Pass Accuracy
62 Offensive Rebound (+19)
60 Standing Dunk
71 Driving Dunk
45 Contact Dunk
90 Shot IQ (+5)
90 Hands (+10)

DEFENSE
70 Defensive Rebound (+3)
65 Block (-3)
53 Shot Contest
50 Steal (+5)
56 On-Ball Defense
63 Low Post Defense
53 Reaction Time

ATHLETICISM
85 Boxout (+5)
56 Lateral Quickness
75 Speed
70 Ball Speed
74 Acceleration
75 Vertical
60 Strength
80 Stamina
80 Hustle (+5)
75 Durability

INTANGIBLES
58 Pass Perception
35 Defensive Consistency
59 Pick & Roll Defense
52 Help Defense
95 Offensive Consistency (+15)
85 Intangibles (+30)
78 Potential (+2)

[Real2KInsider]

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Ersan Ilyasova
77 Overall (+3)
Position: PF
Archetype: Offensive-Minded Four

OFFENSE
88 Standing Layup
71 Driving Layup
72 Post Fade
50 Post Hook
72 Post Control
65 Draw Foul
90 Shot Close (+15)
77 Open Shot Mid (-10)
74 Contested Mid (-12)
68 Off-Dribble Mid
81 Open Shot 3pt (+8)
78 Contested 3pt (+10)
58 Off-Dribble 3pt
78 Free Throw
58 Ball Control
35 Pass Vision (-4)
64 Pass IQ
55 Pass Accuracy
60 Offensive Rebound (+8)
55 Standing Dunk
55 Driving Dunk
40 Contact Dunk
87 Shot IQ
69 Hands

DEFENSE
63 Defensive Rebound (-10)
51 Block (+4)
74 Shot Contest
71 Steal (+11)
62 On-Ball Defense
69 Low Post Defense
74 Reaction Time

ATHLETICISM
77 Boxout
40 Lateral Quickness
53 Speed
34 Ball Speed
60 Acceleration
45 Vertical
62 Strength
80 Stamina
88 Hustle
75 Durability

INTANGIBLES
70 Pass Perception
70 Defensive Consistency
79 Pick & Roll Defense
74 Help Defense
75 Offensive Consistency (+15)
80 Intangibles (+30)
78 Potential

12 Attributes changed for Ilyasova (out of 47 that affect OVR).
ONE of them accounts for 66% of his OVR boost.
Makes sense eh?

It's the same attributes ad nausea: the shooting/counting stats they plug into Excel. No skill evaluation. No imagination. No personal touch. You can tell they never even watched him. I dare say the average OS user is capable of copy/pasting a stats page once every two-to-three weeks. Behind the band-aid, there is a TEAM putting forth this level of effort.

Me personally, If this was what I was putting out there, I'd be losing sleep.

[Luke Skywalker]

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All-Time Nets
I see you gave Julius Erving #32 (before he had #6)

Joe Johnson needs to be assigned #7 (right now he has #2, which was Kevin Garnett's number on the Nets). Joe has #7 in his player portrait.

EDIT:

Also, how come the 2013-14 Brooklyn Nets did not make it as a classic team? That team was stacked!

Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Brook Lopez
Andray Blatche, Andre Kirilenko, Shaun Livingston, Marcus Thornton, Reggie Evans, Mason Plumlee

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details, Also Adds a Few Players to All-Time Teams (12-23)

Where I have Michael Beasley, by the way:

Michael Beasley
77 Overall (-1)
Position: PF
Archetype: Inside-Outside Threat (from Offensive-Minded Four)

OFFENSE
89 Standing Layup
85 Driving Layup
75 Post Fade
70 Post Hook (+10)
75 Post Control (+7)
55 Draw Foul (-7)
96 Shot Close
83 Open Shot Mid (+10)
81 Contested Mid (+11)
77 Off-Dribble Mid (+5)
81 Open Shot 3pt (+6)
75 Contested 3pt (+24)
71 Off-Dribble 3pt (+30)
74 Free Throw
70 Ball Control (+7)
54 Pass Vision (+13)
50 Pass IQ (-2)
50 Pass Accuracy
63 Offensive Rebound (+1)
60 Standing Dunk
70 Driving Dunk (-1)
45 Contact Dunk
87 Shot IQ (-3)
90 Hands

DEFENSE
73 Defensive Rebound (+3)
58 Block (-7)
65 Shot Contest (+12)
50 Steal
55 On-Ball Defense (-1)
70 Low Post Defense (+7)
55 Reaction Time (+2)

ATHLETICISM
75 Boxout (-10)
55 Lateral Quickness (-1)
75 Speed
70 Ball Speed
75 Acceleration (+1)
75 Vertical
70 Strength (+10)
85 Stamina (+5)
80 Hustle
80 Durability (+5)

INTANGIBLES
60 Pass Perception (+2)
50 Defensive Consistency (+15)
60 Pick & Roll Defense (+1)
70 Help Defense (+18)
45 Offensive Consistency (-50)
70 Intangibles (-15)
80 Potential (+2)


I'm not here to have a roster **** measuring contest. Everyone has their own ideology and method. This is just to illustrate that there's quite a bit that can/needs doing without worrying about arbitrary cotton candy attributes. If I put in the work, I don't have to make questionable reactionary decisions (see guys, I can be polite) like giving one of the most erratic players in NBA history a 95 Offensive Consistency.

A volume scorer drops 30 on All-NBA defender Carmelo Anthony, then two games later does it again against the combined efforts of "Power" "Forward" Marcus Smart and borderline All-Star Semi Ojeleye. How did this happen?! I guess when I put it like that it's totally fair to completely lose one's mind!

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(Literally Power Forward Marcus Smart. That's like the anti-Ben Simmons).

Kyle Kuzma, who has been doing this off the bench all season (read: not one week) is rocking an 85 Offensive Consistency. Try harder, rook. LeBron James, who (like me) has done this for 15 years and (like me) does this in his sleep has an Offensive Consistency rating all of three points higher. I suppose this is totally fair because Beasley received MVP chants from the Garden crowd and LeBron hasn't been MVP in 4 years. Objectively, this all seems far more relevant than his Stockton-esque 1:2 Assist:Turnover ratio (because really, what could Assists or Turnovers EVER have to do with Offense OR Consistency anyway?)

Mr. 95 Consistency dropped 6 points in his next game. Even Kobe had his off-nights. Merry Christmas!