How to prevent being punished for using the post?

[jeebs9]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Okay, now show me where someone continues to jump repeatedly in rapid succession in order to contest a shot.

Not only is spam jumping not being called for a foul, it's literally being rewarded when the defender falls on top of the offensive player. Blocks are being registered when the player isn't even ATTEMPTING to shoot (even on non-pumpfakes), and steals are being registered by the defender falling down into the offensive players' hands/arms/bodies. And the worst part? People aren't just hitting triangle, they're using the AGGRESSIVE block, which is R2+Triangle (or whatever it is on Xbox), which REALLY should result in fouls.

When you don't punish extremely bad tactics, they will get spammed. If you've played 2k games long enough, you should know exactly what I'm talking about. Mindlessly rushing the paint for dunks in 2k13 (because dunks couldn't be blocked), overdribbling relentlessly with no sort of penalty (multiple 2k titles), popcorn jumping in the paint (multiple 2k titles), etc. Because there's no penalty, you can have 1-4 people just spamming jump down low. And before you say 'just pass out', you know as well as I do that the game will sometimes wrap you up in inevitable animations to where your button input isn't even respected/registered.

I can attest to this with a Pure Rim Protector, when most of the time I'm not even ATTEMPTING to shoot/score down low, and I'll STILL get caught in stupid animations that shouldn't happen without a foul being called because 2-3 clowns ran at me and just started jumping.

I'm so disappointed in this post. You didn't reply to my post.

[Caelumfang]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I'm so disappointed in this post. You didn't reply to my post.

I'll get to yours when I get home.

[jeebs9]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I'll get to yours when I get home.

Don't worry man. I was only kidding.

[Caelumfang]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

I'm not sure what your talking about and getting sucked in. But the below is one of the many times I faced that tactic that year. The funny thing was all the players users. As you can see. He doesn't care about anything else because he's probably done this to like 5 guys before me. Lucky I knew what I was doing. But even with that fact. He could still do it over and over again. It's not fun. Or real in any way.

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Exactly!! Truly turns it into a skill. Not because I pressed a button and my opponent pressed a button. And I should be rewarded no matter what. Even on a fast break the other way. Should a basket count so easily.

What I mean is, in 2k16, there would be instances where you could stand still with your hands up and, for some oddball reason, your character would sometimes jump on his own during a pumpfake, with absolutely no input from the user. That, I will admit, was an atrocious mechanic.

As far as your opponent's offense goes, that's on him. If he was dumb enough to keep trying, and not realizing that you adjusted to his tactics, then he deserves to look like an idiot, wasting possessions when it's clearly not working anymore. However, if he's beaten people like that, it's because they were undisciplined and had absolutely no clue how to alter shots in the paint by simply standing still with your hands up.

[olajuwon34]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Shouldn't 2k be trying to make there basketball game like basketball though. I see what your saying in that they want there to be some sort of competitiveness in a video game sense, with some skill. But its a basketball simulation, its suppose to simulate basketball as we've known it for the past 60 or so years. I think it all comes down to the fact that they want this game as a professional E-league sport, and they cant have anyone exploiting any mechanics etc, even if that means completely changing the way basketball is actually played.

I know what your gonna say, well they cant have people pushing a button and not really playing the game etc, but figure out a better way to balance out these situations than just making good shots miss in high portions and making blatant fouls not be called in terms of defenders crushing people under the rim. Make it so you have to swarm or double people that are in good position to score, and make the shot % be lowered by the double team, and to fix the easy pass out of that for quick open shots, which is most likely what 2k doesn't want, make passes if a player is being swarmed slower, or more inaccurate.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Looking at this clip from tonight....

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bet9-rHhlIJ/

I can hear the complaints about something like this happening in game now...

'Why wasn't Ingram/Brook punished for jumping?'

'How can a player like Brook Lopez contest two shots consecutively like that?'

It's always going to be a struggle to balance for every one because people have their own interpretations of whats realistic. A person who has actually played years of post play may appreciate nuances more than someone who's just watched clips of the greats making it look easy....etc.

Hope they continue to try and keep it as balanced as possible...



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[Caelumfang]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Looking at this clip from tonight....

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bet9-rHhlIJ/

I can hear the complaints about something like this happening in game now...

'Why wasn't Ingram/Brook punished for jumping?'

'How can a player like Brook Lopez contest two shots consecutively like that?'

It's always going to be a struggle to balance for every one because people have their own interpretations of whats realistic. A person who has actually played years of post play may appreciate nuances more than someone who's just watched clips of the greats making it look easy....etc.

Hope they continue to try and keep it as balanced as possible...



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And this is where you seem to be confused about nature of the complaint.

Ingram was punished by getting himself out of position. Perfectly acceptable.

Brook was able to recover in time to contest the second shot. Perfectly acceptable. I've done it with my Rim Protector multiple times.

Now, would you be saying the same thing if Ingram/Brook had literally jumped and fell directly on top of the offensive player, jarring the ball loose for a steal/block? No, you'd be screaming 'foul', and you'd be justified. However, because that was taken out of 2k, Ingram/Brook would have been allowed to jump all over the place, and fall on top of the offensive players with literally no repercussion. THAT'S the nature of the complaint.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

And this is where you seem to be confused about nature of the complaint.

Ingram was punished by getting himself out of position. Perfectly acceptable.

Brook was able to recover in time to contest the second shot. Perfectly acceptable. I've done it with my Rim Protector multiple times.

Now, would you be saying the same thing if Ingram/Brook had literally jumped and fell directly on top of the offensive player, jarring the ball loose for a steal/block? No, you'd be screaming 'foul', and you'd be justified. However, because that was taken out of 2k, Ingram/Brook would have been allowed to jump all over the place, and fall on top of the offensive players with literally no repercussion. THAT'S the nature of the complaint.

I actually understood from the jump...jeebs wasn't lying about this being the 3-4th topic on this.

You skipped over what I said in my original response about agreeing about jumping causing unrealistic interactions...so I didnt bother responding, but I've always agreed with that....

My point will always be that the defenders body should be respected, jumping or not....you should have to make the conscious decision to finish around them.

While you say its 'perfectly acceptable' now, that hasn't been the typical response...Ingram's 'punishment' for jumping being that hes out of position has been my point exactly...not that he should dissapear or be sucked into a foul.....which is why I posted the video....

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[sudanmalkovich]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

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severe lack of animation under the rim. awful interactions between players. NHL-like foot planting.
zero expression of weight & strength. canned animations are hella slow. the ball is not properly tangible.

this game doesn’t simulate player movement in real time. players are not interactive at all.

post hop step should not have been executed like this video in the first place. (0:14)
a defender can’t catch up hop step jump at the same speed while side stepping like a crab.
hop step speed is unrealically slow too, so they are all wrong.
interaction should be way more contextual. both players should take part in more violent situations.

since they're at really close range each other, either a defender should body bump an offender or an offender should shake off his defender with his hop step. even an elbow foul from an offender should be possible in this case.

Not to mention the body slam blocks from another universe.

It’s not a user’s fault executing moves, it’s the game’s limitation expressing them.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

As long as there is a bandaid fix for something, people will argue that its not a gameplay issue. Happened with the awful CPU pick and roll defence last year, the full court pass spamming after every shot (make or miss) thats been going on for years, CPU defenders not getting back down the court, this thread's topic on defenders not being punished for jumping onto offensive players (they even had that awful animation last year where if you faked a guy and he jumped on you, you'd stumble around and possibly walk out of bounds but they never called foul for it), etc.

Looking at this clip from tonight....

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bet9-rHhlIJ/

I can hear the complaints about something like this happening in game now...

'Why wasn't Ingram/Brook punished for jumping?'

'How can a player like Brook Lopez contest two shots consecutively like that?'

It's always going to be a struggle to balance for every one because people have their own interpretations of whats realistic. A person who has actually played years of post play may appreciate nuances more than someone who's just watched clips of the greats making it look easy....etc.

Hope they continue to try and keep it as balanced as possible...

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If Jarret had faked it after catching the pass, Lopez jump into him and cause Jarret to lose handle of the ball, and the Lakers get the steal from that scenario, then I'd perfectly understand the relevance of that clip. All I'm seeing is a guy perfectly timing his contest with a shot attempt. Its not about jumping at a fake, its about jumping onto a player an not getting any sort of consequence.

This is the type of play people complain about. I've highlighted one clip, but if you watch the whole video you almost never see anyone avoid the defensive player after getting them to bite on a fake. Players gladly accept the contact so they can draw the foul. Notice how Kobe easily drew that foul on Collison after the fake? I'm baffled why didn't they play on after he jumped into Kobe??

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Lol nah. You thought you did the right thing faking Javale out of his shoes after you got the ball back, but thats the wrong move. Everyone knows that defenders are allowed to jump onto pump faking big men and cause them to lose ball without penalty. Catch up man.

[sudanmalkovich]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Lol nah. You thought you did the right thing faking Javale out of his shoes after you got the ball back, but thats the wrong move. Everyone knows that defenders are allowed to jump onto pump faking big men and cause them to lose ball without penalty. Catch up man.

that's not me playing. that's OP's.
where's Javale by the way?

[The 24th Letter]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

Well yeah, I'd expect a video called 'fakes and fouls' to highlight that particular instance...where players fake.....and draw fouls, lol

There's also these::

https://youtu.be/qWpICZ4wO7k

Im done though, OP was actually asking how avoid it, not the best hyperbole to describe your feelings on 2k or who to assign blame to....conversation isnt really going anywhere....hopefully Mike is reading and can get a good feel on what can be done...



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[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

that's not me playing. that's OP's.
where's Javale by the way?

*Camby

And it was a joke. I thought that was an example of bad defense being rewarded. I hope 2k reads these threads on the snatch back dribble move, this kind of thread and others to adjust how they balance gameplay. Some of this stuff is awful and I don’t want to give them a pass because other things are good

[Cowboyfan_19]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

You guys made a good point about the direction of my shot after the fake. I probably should've made a conscious effort to flick the right stick to the right rather than just shoot with X like I'm used to.

That being said, I'm still amazed at how easy it is to lose the ball in those situations.

[Housh123]

Re: How to prevent being punished for using the post?

That was just horrible post play. You should've been punished. Holding the L2 button would've helped tremendously

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How the hell is getting a defender to jump in the post a bad play?


Jesus Christ and i wonder why randoms never post me up in the walk on smh


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