Dear Broadcast Cam users

[PippenFan]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

As someone who's played 2k cam a lot dating back to the Dreamcast games I too prefer broadcast view. It looks that much more like the actual game I watch on TV which I like, and I've never had any trouble using it because I don't rush the ball up the court like some folks do.

So I have no issues with it.

[Blzer]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

give me broadcast or give me death

As for the OP, you stated that the pro-am don't see the game they play off-angle, but you didn't account for the 2K cam from the corner of the court to the rim when you're "running sideways." At least with the broadcast cam, in this angle you're almost "running up/down" and can see the spacing there.

I'm simply playing devil's advocate. I believe you have a case for what you are stating, but you aren't going to convince people to adjust from their own personal tastes. I'm personally in-between both as well whenever I play, because I prefer the authenticity of the Broadcast cam but the functionality of the 2K cam. I don't play online, though.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

It's the way he called people using broadcast cam out. Calling them "noobs", telling where in he game you can change the cam and sounds like an obvious mock and provocation. He could've done it without it and I think it's not the right the way to do it and just like he attacked broadcast people they did the same to him, if he had done it polite way I think this thread wouldn't have been so hostile.

On topic, I tried using 2k cam and I didn't like it, I know no one has the broadcast view IRL but neither it's the 2k cam view people IRL have, if it was like IRL it would've been first person like you are playing Call of Duty. I didn't like 2k cam cause I don't really have the feeling how close I am to the basket and as someone who isn't a sharpshooter that's very important to me, if I was a sharpshooter I can see it working.

One thing I don't like about broadcast cam and that's the most negative thing about it IMO is that I can't see the whole court on the fast break and as someone who handles a ball often that can be problematic.

I'm pretty sure what he was trying to express in his own creative way....was that teammates using broadcast in Pro Am puts the the team at a disadvantage. With the amount of long passing down court that takes place, there are simply some passes you cant react to the same way you could if you were using the 2K cam...

Its the reality I face in PNO too against some guys unfortunately...

[howardphillips214]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

As a primarily online player, I can also concur that broadcast cam players are the worst. They all have the same haircut, they all have V in their name for vowels, they get on the mic and call everyone else trash, they have tattoos all on their neck and face, they side to side, they hit half court shots at a ridiculous rate, they all crowd the paint. Man, if they would just switch cams this game would be so much better!

[Hellquist]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

LOL.

I've played 2K since 1999. I've always used broadcast. I even use it on NBA Live (averaging a triple-double as a stretch big, by the way).

There's no "blind spot." I can see everything on the court.

I don't know why this is even a thread. I don't use 2K cam and I can't stand it, but I'm not going to fault someone for playing on a camera angle they like.

When I play online I use broadcast, but you don't know what the other people are playing or am I mistaken? I don't understand why this would be an issue?

[Keith01]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

Oh he's serious...he actually believes that the bad players he's played with are nothing but broadcast cam users. LOL just sit back and watch his meltdown

Dude you following me in literally every thread I start trying to troll me is gettin' a little creepy... you got nothin better to do with your life eh? Sad.

And this was obviously directed towards pro-am / mypark users. Why would I care if someone who only plays offline or PNO uses Broadcast? He's not my teammate, he's putting himself at a disadvantage, so I'd encourage my opponent to use broadcast.

I'm sorry if truth hurts your feelings. Truth is, no decent pro-am player uses Broadcast. Find me one player in the 2K league that uses Broadcast. You won't see any. 'Nuff said. And broadcast cam players only hurt the team. So it becomes an issue. And yes, you are a noob if you use broadcast in pro-am, that's not preference or bias, that's fact based on the numbers and the dynamics. 75% of ya'll in this thread don't even play the mode I'm talking about so your opinion is irrelevant lol.

Offline and Broadcast? Go for it, have fun...

[Keith01]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

Can't we all just get along?

Two things...

Fellas, Online players have a large presence here, and have as much as a platform to talk about things related to their community....we really need to stop classifying them in a negative way.

....and let's please stop with the forced "can't say anything bad about 2k" narrative that seems to be the new wave this week....it doesn't even make any sense to claim in relation to the topic...[emoji38]

That said, I'm hoping we can eventually add labels to threads to calm down some of the confusion.

For example:

Pro Am: Blocks are OP
Park: There should be punishment for reaching

etc.


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Agree. I put it early in the thread that this was re: mypark/proam

[Keith01]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

LOL.

I've played 2K since 1999. I've always used broadcast. I even use it on NBA Live (averaging a triple-double as a stretch big, by the way).

There's no "blind spot." I can see everything on the court.

I don't know why this is even a thread. I don't use 2K cam and I can't stand it, but I'm not going to fault someone for playing on a camera angle they like.

When I play online I use broadcast, but you don't know what the other people are playing or am I mistaken? I don't understand why this would be an issue?

Definitely blind spots on fast breaks... already known.

You can usually tell when someone uses broadcast by their movement patterns.

[Vroman]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

I got few friends using broadcast angle and never notice them being handicapped on anything when i play with them. So not convinced much. Also broadcast angle changed quite abit this year, camera move up forward much sooner leaving your player at the far right side of the screen when you on a transition offense situation.

[Pokes404]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

My teammates have never complained about me using the broadcast camera in Pro Am, especially when I hit them trailing on a fastbreak for a dunk/open 3 ... a pass I wouldn't have been able to set up in the 2K camera because you can't see what's behind you. The biggest downside of broadcast is that you can only see so far up the court in some transition situations. But here's the thing, I'm someone who hates turnovers. I would rather bring the ball up the court and get a good shot out of the half-court offense than risk a turnover trying to throw a long pass down the court. Basically, if you're so far up the court that I can't see you on the broadcast camera, I probably wasn't going to force that pass anyways. So this downside of the camera doesn't affect me as much as it might others.

I feel that my vision in the half-court is so much better with the broadcast camera. I can see corner to corner from baseline to the top of the arc at nearly all times. I don't have the same kind of blind spots (especially out of the post) that I do with the 2K camera. As a pass-first teammate, I love having the ability to see anywhere in the half-court at any time. It lets me really read the defense and set up those skip/touch passes to teammates I might not have been able to see otherwise. You can say that it's unrealistic to be able to see the floor from this angle, but the 2K cam isn't really any more realistic. No one sees the floor disembodied, floating 20-feet in the air, looking back down at themselves. Until there's a first-person VR camera included, no camera is going to provide a true-to-life perspective. So until then, every camera is going to have its pros and cons.

And just for the record, I'm not trying to convince anyone that the broadcast camera is better than the 2K camera. I'm just arguing that it's better for me and my play style. I'm also not going to assume that every ballhogging, dribble-spamming, left-right cheeser I come across is that way because they must be using the 2K camera. There are plenty of bad teammates out there on both sides.

[Hellquist]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

Definitely blind spots on fast breaks... already known.

You can usually tell when someone uses broadcast by their movement patterns.

That's what icon passing is for and knowing who you play with.

[Iasounis]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

I'm pretty sure what he was trying to express in his own creative way....was that teammates using broadcast in Pro Am puts the the team at a disadvantage. With the amount of long passing down court that takes place, there are simply some passes you cant react to the same way you could if you were using the 2K cam...

Its the reality I face in PNO too against some guys unfortunately...

I'm also pro-2k cam for online, but I do have a teammate that uses broadcast. In the end, if they're comfortable and playing well, can't argue with their preference.

To the OP: How do you know all supposed 'trash players' use broadcast? I take for granted that everyone is on 2k cam.

[Keith01]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

That's what icon passing is for and knowing who you play with.

??? What does icon passing have to do with transition defense

[Keith01]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

My teammates have never complained about me using the broadcast camera in Pro Am, especially when I hit them trailing on a fastbreak for a dunk/open 3 ... a pass I wouldn't have been able to set up in the 2K camera because you can't see what's behind you. The biggest downside of broadcast is that you can only see so far up the court in some transition situations. But here's the thing, I'm someone who hates turnovers. I would rather bring the ball up the court and get a good shot out of the half-court offense than risk a turnover trying to throw a long pass down the court. Basically, if you're so far up the court that I can't see you on the broadcast camera, I probably wasn't going to force that pass anyways. So this downside of the camera doesn't affect me as much as it might others.

I feel that my vision in the half-court is so much better with the broadcast camera. I can see corner to corner from baseline to the top of the arc at nearly all times. I don't have the same kind of blind spots (especially out of the post) that I do with the 2K camera. As a pass-first teammate, I love having the ability to see anywhere in the half-court at any time. It lets me really read the defense and set up those skip/touch passes to teammates I might not have been able to see otherwise. You can say that it's unrealistic to be able to see the floor from this angle, but the 2K cam isn't really any more realistic. No one sees the floor disembodied, floating 20-feet in the air, looking back down at themselves. Until there's a first-person VR camera included, no camera is going to provide a true-to-life perspective. So until then, every camera is going to have its pros and cons.

And just for the record, I'm not trying to convince anyone that the broadcast camera is better than the 2K camera. I'm just arguing that it's better for me and my play style. I'm also not going to assume that every ballhogging, dribble-spamming, left-right cheeser I come across is that way because they must be using the 2K camera. There are plenty of bad teammates out there on both sides.

I've played enough pro-am with all types of skill levels to know broadcam users are the worst. Like you guys keep acting like it's "my" bias. No this is the NBA 2K LEAGUES "bias" and just reality of facts. "i'm not gonna risk throwing it down court" Lol what. This is what I hate about PG's like that, they turbo down the court and wait for the defense to set up instead of early offense passes ala Lonzo Ball.

You're right, first person view doesn't exist. But as far as up down left right. If I'm watching a pickup game as a spectator on a side bench, that's broadcast. If I'm in the game it's front-back. It's gonna be the closest you get to seeing those angles.

And what's funny is the people "liking" some of these posts or commenting don't even play Pro-am at any competitive level lmao.

[Pokes404]

Re: Dear Broadcast Cam users

I've played enough pro-am with all types of skill levels to know broadcam users are the worst. Like you guys keep acting like it's "my" bias. No this is the NBA 2K LEAGUES "bias" and just reality of facts. "i'm not gonna risk throwing it down court" Lol what. This is what I hate about PG's like that, they turbo down the court and wait for the defense to set up instead of early offense passes ala Lonzo Ball.

You're right, first person view doesn't exist. But as far as up down left right. If I'm watching a pickup game as a spectator on a side bench, that's broadcast. If I'm in the game it's front-back. It's gonna be the closest you get to seeing those angles.

And what's funny is the people "liking" some of these posts or commenting don't even play Pro-am at any competitive level lmao.

I have a 3&D SG and a Low-Post Scoring/Defending C ... neither of which have high passing ratings. If I was playing with a PG, I probably would switch to the 2K camera so I could make those longer outlet passes (and I do this in All Star Team Up sometimes when teams full-court press and I need to advance the ball up the floor to beat it). But since I'm not going to make those passes in most situations with guys who aren't strong passers for risk of turning it over, I'm going to play with the broadcast camera because of the other advantages I feel it provides me.

You say that the 2K camera is closest to being realistic because you see "front-back," but what about when you're standing near the break or in the corner? If real life, wouldn't you be seeing the court from more of a "side bench" perspective? You wouldn't be seeing straight up and down the court, you'd be looking across it. So, since I'm someone who plays on the wings and in the corners more than I play at the top of the arc offensively (and defensively for that matter), wouldn't the broadcast camera give me the more realistic view the majority of the time?

Anyways, I commented in here simply to respond to the OP's opinion that broadcast camera users "make Pro Am & Park unbearable." I just wanted to state the reasons why I play on the camera, and offer a bit of a counter-point that I've never made Pro Am an "unbearable" experience for my teammates. It doesn't mean I win every game, am some kind of an E-Leaguer, or that I've never had a bad game before. But generally speaking, I'm usually pretty good in the assist:turnover ratio department and I play solid defense.