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  • Jordanmike6
    Rookie
    • Nov 2014
    • 417

    #16
    Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

    I would lioke to say that 3 pt in the 90's was not so easy to do than now, because today players are paid to do their best.

    Before it was showtime it was the real NBA, but 3 pt were not the only reason to play basket ball!
    Now it is 3 pt 3 pt 3 pt, fake 3 pt and easy lay up or easy alley oop, oh yes it is not the same basketball, so yes Miller is legend and Klay is a samll player!

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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #17
      Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

      Originally posted by Gosens6
      Why exactly do you not consider him a legend?
      Originally posted by GisherJohn24
      I am wondering this too. HE's a hall of famer player, He was one of the most accurate shooters in history. He just gets less love because he didn't get a ring. People for get they were battling against the Jordan bulls during the heart of his career. I think if the bulls didn't exist with Jordan, Reggie would probably have a ring or two. Probably.


      He's a fringe all star who was good for roughly 20 a game while offering basically nothing else. He made like 3 or 4 all star teams, a couple of all-NBA 3rd teams, he just wasn't a "great" player like the guys his name is always compared with. It would be like me calling DeRozan a "legend" or something. I just don't understand the notion of people considering him great, he was never great.

      I give him his props for his longevity and for how long he was a good player, he never really dropped off dramatically. And also for some of his big time playoff performances and clutch shooting.. Outside of that though he wasn't a special player. He's definitely not a top 10 shooting guard, a top 50 player, and if we were to judge players at their peaks rather than careers (he played for like 20 seasons and stayed healthy) he wouldn't even be a top 100 player.

      He did crack the HOF, but more so for his name than his game. But he probably shouldn't have. Basketball reference only gave him about a 30% chance of getting in based on his actual career production.
      Last edited by ojandpizza; 07-20-2018, 10:18 AM.

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      • Jordanmike6
        Rookie
        • Nov 2014
        • 417

        #18
        Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

        Please man don't imagine a game between the pacers 98 and the warriors 2016 or 2017, you could be disappointed.
        just in the paint man how do you want to stop the Davis Brothers, do you really think Jalen Rose or McKey were affraid of Durant, imagine the D on Klay by Miller or Mullin.
        Last edited by Jordanmike6; 07-20-2018, 10:20 AM.

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #19
          Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

          Originally posted by Gosens6
          Not to get too far off topic, but, do you think those Pacers teams would have had the success they did without Miller?
          If they replaced him with another guy who could get you 20 or so a game absolutely. Especially if that player also provided any sort of defense or play-making to go along with it. By many measures Reggie wasn't even their best player, more so just their best shooter/scorer. The year they finally made the finals Jalen Rose was a better all around player for them than Reggie was.

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          • ojandpizza
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2011
            • 29807

            #20
            Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

            Don't get me wrong I would love to have a 90's Pacers team, or even early 2000's team, and would also love to see Reggie on the All-Time Pacers squad as well..

            I just don't agree at all with the notion that he's some all-time great legend of a player. He's your typical fringe all-star level player who also had a good, long, healthy career.

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            • jfsolo
              Live Action, please?
              • May 2003
              • 12965

              #21
              Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

              Originally posted by ojandpizza
              Don't get me wrong I would love to have a 90's Pacers team, or even early 2000's team, and would also love to see Reggie on the All-Time Pacers squad as well..

              I just don't agree at all with the notion that he's some all-time great legend of a player. He's your typical fringe all-star level player who also had a good, long, healthy career.
              If fans decides that a player is a legend, especially one who gets in the HOF, no stats or analytics or any argument will convince them otherwise. If you feel compelled to say that you disagree, well then okay, but they will never change their minds.
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              • ksuttonjr76
                All Star
                • Nov 2004
                • 8662

                #22
                Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                Don't get me wrong I would love to have a 90's Pacers team, or even early 2000's team, and would also love to see Reggie on the All-Time Pacers squad as well..

                I just don't agree at all with the notion that he's some all-time great legend of a player. He's your typical fringe all-star level player who also had a good, long, healthy career.
                And here comes the entire state of Indiana knocking at your door with pitchforks and torches, lol.

                I understand what you're saying. I grew up watching the Pacers (I'm from Kokomo), and Miller was a legend for the time and at the time. Miller's Pacers was the ONLY team to take the Jordan-led Bulls to game 7 and could have won if wasn't for some poor execution in the 4th quarter. Indiana went into the 4th quarter WITH the led. Yes, when you start to compare him against players that came after him, then he wouldn't be a Top 20 shooting guard. For most people, people want Reggie Miller (and Barkley for that matter) purely for nostalgic reasons. Personally, I wouldn't mind having him on the squad, but video game Granger pretty much replaces him.

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                • VDusen04
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 13028

                  #23
                  Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                  I think Barkley's take is fair. Every now and again, I think people get it twisted, as though Charles Barkley cares about his likeness being included in a basketball video game. From what I've gathered, he remains firmly planted in the old school generation that never gave video games much thought beyond a few trips to the arcade to play Asteroids and Pong while coming through college (unless we want to count that time he agreed to get paid for that Shut Up and Jam gig).

                  It seems the use of his likeness in NBA 2K is a business negotiation to him, nothing more, nothing less. And that's sensible. If 2K finds his demands too steep and opts to pass, I think that's sensible too.

                  I say this frequently, but I find it difficult to lose much sleep over Barkley's absence. If I had my way, Barkley, Reggie Miller, and Rasheed Wallace would all be included (and Tayshaun Prince and Mehmet Okur). But when I think about it, having something like 60 classic teams and a significant majority of the 50-75 greatest players to ever play is a great consolation prize.

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                  • Gosens6
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 6100

                    #24
                    Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                    Originally posted by ojandpizza
                    If they replaced him with another guy who could get you 20 or so a game absolutely. Especially if that player also provided any sort of defense or play-making to go along with it. By many measures Reggie wasn't even their best player, more so just their best shooter/scorer. The year they finally made the finals Jalen Rose was a better all around player for them than Reggie was.


                    Fair enough. I can definitely respect your opinion and I know many others who feel that way.

                    Growing up watching him play, he had that killer instinct that a lot of so called “superstar” players lacked.

                    He was willing to put his team on his back and i saw him carry the pacers to victory on more than one occasion. To me, he deserves all the praise and his HOF nod. Still though, I completely understand your point.


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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #25
                      Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                      Originally posted by Gosens6
                      Fair enough. I can definitely respect your opinion and I know many others who feel that way.

                      Growing up watching him play, he had that killer instinct that a lot of so called “superstar” players lacked.

                      He was willing to put his team on his back and i saw him carry the pacers to victory on more than one occasion. To me, he deserves all the praise and his HOF nod. Still though, I completely understand your point.


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                      Oh he's definitely an all time great competitor and has had numerous moments where his clutch performances have been nothing short of amazing. I just think far too often people classify basically his entire career of being those moments. If that was the case I wouldn't be here making this argument lol.

                      I think it's somewhat comparable to what happened with Hakeem. He was a great player his whole career, but once he had that moment against David Robinson in the playoffs we completely reclassified basically where he ranked as a player and also where Robinson ranked as a player.

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                      • BA2929
                        The Designated Hitter
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3342

                        #26
                        Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                        Originally posted by ojandpizza
                        Don't get me wrong I would love to have a 90's Pacers team, or even early 2000's team, and would also love to see Reggie on the All-Time Pacers squad as well..

                        I just don't agree at all with the notion that he's some all-time great legend of a player. He's your typical fringe all-star level player who also had a good, long, healthy career.

                        I don't have a horse in this race because I'm not a fan of any one particular player or team, but I did grow up in the 80s and 90s so I watched a lot of NBA in that era:


                        Reggie Miller was, hands down, one of the best offensive players in NBA history. Go look at his stats. He's in the top two of every 3 point stat (held the records until Ray Allen showed up) and top 10 of nearly every other offensive stat. His offensive rating is 2nd only to Chris Paul in NBA history. The rest he's in the top 35 and he's in the top 50 of steals. Those are of all time.



                        That's why people think he's an all time great.





                        He wasn't an all-star because he was in the Eastern Conference and his teams were trash.



                        You might check out who was on those All Star teams. They were literally filled to the brim with future Hall of Fame players or guys who were having career years. Plus, he had to deal with going against Jordan, Pippen and Grant Hill for the fan vote for the majority of his prime. You just aren't going to get voted in against either of them then it's up to big numbers to get one of the final 3-5 guard spots (which were usually given to guys like Joe Dumars).


                        Originally posted by ojandpizza
                        The year they finally made the finals Jalen Rose was a better all around player for them than Reggie was.

                        You might check out the stats. Reggie was 34, out of his prime completely, and had nearly identical stats to Jalen Rose throughout the season, who was in his prime and 27. And Reggie outscored him in the playoffs.



                        But anyway, back on topic:



                        Barkley is free to do what he wants, but he's essentially holding 2k hostage for $1 million. 2k pays each old school player in the game the same amount and if they succumb to Barkley's demands, then more players will follow suit and it'll spiral out of control.



                        I'd rather have a game without him in it at this point and be assured we keep everyone else.
                        Last edited by BA2929; 07-20-2018, 02:33 PM.
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                        • jfsolo
                          Live Action, please?
                          • May 2003
                          • 12965

                          #27
                          Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                          Originally posted by ojandpizza
                          Oh he's definitely an all time great competitor and has had numerous moments where his clutch performances have been nothing short of amazing. I just think far too often people classify basically his entire career of being those moments. If that was the case I wouldn't be here making this argument lol.

                          I think it's somewhat comparable to what happened with Hakeem. He was a great player his whole career, but once he had that moment against David Robinson in the playoffs we completely reclassified basically where he ranked as a player and also where Robinson ranked as a player.
                          I really like this point. It's another one of those areas that you can't have a good discussion about with a lot of people, because the euphoria in their memories of the high profile situations block the chance for any reevaluation of their hierarchy.
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                          @crypticjordan

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                          Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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                          • ksuttonjr76
                            All Star
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 8662

                            #28
                            Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                            Originally posted by BA2929
                            I don't have a horse in this race because I'm not a fan of any one particular player or team, but I did grow up in the 80s and 90s so I watched a lot of NBA in that era:


                            Reggie Miller was, hands down, one of the best offensive players in NBA history. Go look at his stats. He's in the top two of every 3 point stat (held the records until Ray Allen showed up) and top 10 of nearly every other offensive stat. His offensive rating is 2nd only to Chris Paul in NBA history. The rest he's in the top 35 and he's in the top 50 of steals. Those are of all time.



                            That's why people think he's an all time great.





                            He wasn't an all-star because he was in the Eastern Conference and his teams were trash.



                            You might check out who was on those teams. They were literally filled to the brim with future Hall of Fame players or guys who were having career years. Plus, he had to deal with going against Jordan, Pippen and Grant Hill for the fan vote for the majority of his prime. You just aren't going to get voted in against either of them then it's up to big numbers to get one of the final 3-5 guard spots (which were usually given to guys like Joe Dumars).





                            You might check out the stats. Reggie was 34, out of his prime completely, and had nearly identical stats to Jalen Rose throughout the season, who was in his prime and 27. And Reggie outscored him in the playoffs.



                            But anyway, back on topic:



                            Barkley is free to do what he wants, but he's essentially holding 2k hostage for $1 million. 2k pays each old school player in the game the same amount and if they succumb to Barkley's demands, then more players will follow suit and it'll spiral out of control.



                            I'd rather have a game without him in it at this point and be assured we keep everyone else.
                            Now, I have to go look him up, lol. I knew there were arguments about who was the better scorer between him and Jordan. For the record, it's Jordan easily due to his one-on-one skills as much as I hate to admit it. Miller went through screens after screens after screens after screens after screens. I think defenders just gave up after a while, because they got tired of getting shoulder checked by them Davis Boys, lol.

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                            • VDusen04
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 13028

                              #29
                              Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                              Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                              Now, I have to go look him up, lol. I knew there were arguments about who was the better scorer between him and Jordan. For the record, it's Jordan easily due to his one-on-one skills as much as I hate to admit it. Miller went through screens after screens after screens after screens after screens. I think defenders just gave up after a while, because they got tired of getting shoulder checked by them Davis Boys, lol.
                              I must ask, with respectfully curiosity, who in the world was ever arguing about whether Michael Jordan was a better offensive player than Reggie Miller?

                              I'm fine with cherry picking certain aspects of offense and giving the edge to Miller (for instance, Miller was a superior 3-point sharpshooter in a time when 3-point shooting was more compartmentalized and specialized) but was there honestly ever really a debate about overall offensive ability between those two?
                              Last edited by VDusen04; 07-20-2018, 02:40 PM.

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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #30
                                Re: Charles Barkley will NOT be in NBA 2K19

                                Originally posted by BA2929
                                I don't have a horse in this race because I'm not a fan of any one particular player or team, but I did grow up in the 80s and 90s so I watched a lot of NBA in that era:


                                Reggie Miller was, hands down, one of the best offensive players in NBA history. Go look at his stats. He's in the top two of every 3 point stat (held the records until Ray Allen showed up) and top 10 of nearly every other offensive stat. His offensive rating is 2nd only to Chris Paul in NBA history. The rest he's in the top 35 and he's in the top 50 of steals. Those are of all time.

                                That's why people think he's an all time great.


                                You might check out the stats. Reggie was 34, out of his prime completely, and had nearly identical stats to Jalen Rose throughout the season, who was in his prime and 27. And Reggie outscored him in the playoffs.
                                I watched him as well. He's ranked highly in most of those because he played for so long, he stayed healthy, and as an off-ball player his game aged tremendously well. I'm more so speaking on how good he was on the court, not necessarily how his career totals look after playing for 20 seasons when most player don't make it that long.

                                He wasn't a tremendously great offensive player, he was a tremendously great shooter and mover without the ball. Offense entails more than that, he was never a great ball handler, great finisher at the rim, great play-maker, etc.. He was solid all around, but you expect better than "solid" when his name is brought up with guys like Jordan, Magic, Barkley, Malone, etc.

                                He was out of his prime that year, which is part of the reason why Jalen was better. Nobody said he was still in his prime?

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