Footplanting and Momentum

[ForeverVersatile]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Imo this isn't a momentum or foot planting issue, it's an ai/difficulty issue. If the ai wants to contest a shot, it will do it. Imo doing that step back only made things worse and I'm thinking the proper finish would've had Sexton contesting from behind or out of the play.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Operation Sports mobile app

[sudanmalkovich]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum




he changed his direction mid-air and ran right away to his left without having momentum.
no human being can do that.

Try changing your direction mid air while you're running and see if you can do what he's done.






when you turn left while you're running, your right foot has to be on the ground.

this is foot planting/momentum issue.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Nah.. Live 19 has better foot planting (at least on defense). it's nowhere close to being stiff and it's very responsive.

EA's using human IK (inverse kinematics) in their animation that's why they don't slide unlike 2k.

It is responsive cuz there's no sliding and warping.

Dont tell me that sharp GIF creating eye is limited to 2k, lol. Not trying to get into a comparison, but theres definitely warping there...especially in 1v1 situations where you need to take certain angles.

The footplanting is definitely A1, but I just use that as an example to say its not the end all to realistic interaction.

Imo doing that step back only made things worse and I'm thinking the proper finish would've had Sexton contesting from behind or out of the play.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Operation Sports mobile app

Similar to this-

https://streamable.com/0qwwl

[sudanmalkovich]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Dont tell me that sharp GIF creating eye is limited to 2k, lol.

not telling u anything.

[Thrustie]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Not really seeing it. Real players don’t have the benefit of 360 degree vision but trying a step back with a guy right on your back is just a really bizarre choice and not realistic. In real life, it would likely cause a collision but that would make for a terrible video game.

[sudanmalkovich]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

no need to cloud the issue here.

the issue is Sexton's pulled off some super human move and it's annoying and sometimes game breaking. that's all.

[Thrustie]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

no need to cloud the issue here.

the issue is Sexton's pulled off some super human move and it's annoying and sometimes game breaking. that's all.

How is that super human?? It looked like the step back directly into Sexton slowed him down and then he ran around Curry to contest the shot while Curry loaded up. The animations played out kinda ugly but calling this example gamebreaking is a big reach to me.

[jahswill]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

I feel where you are coming from, in terms of the lack of footplanting and lack of physics. But most of the responses are going to be dismissive. This is the 2K forum and they historically don't want to hear or can't, I'm not sure which one. Bottom line, 2K is a great game. I'm not disputing that. Any non biased person will admit that this is the one area that 2K really needs to focus on. Do we want more realism or not? Humans are not machines and in a simulation sports game, honoring physics should be top priority. After all, it's the physical ablities that we marvel at in sports. I personally want as many good basketball, football, baseball games that I can get. I'm willing to sacrifice "control" for more realistic movenment. My two cents!

[sudanmalkovich]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

How is that super human?? It looked like the step back directly into Sexton slowed him down and then he ran around Curry to contest the shot while Curry loaded up. The animations played out kinda ugly but calling this example gamebreaking is a big reach to me.

the way he ran around without having momentum.

like I said above, try changing your direction mid air while you're running and see if you can do what he's done.
If you can move just like him then you're from Krypton.

[ItchyNscratchy]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Why didnt you start the clip from the beginning of the play instead of halfway when curry is already driving?? You cant really tell what Sexton was doing before that.

[tcnumba10]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Lmao look closely at Sexton’s feet, they’re almost floating on the court.

[JoFri]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

I like that this is being brought up and hope 2K can note it and consider this for the separation animations. Thanks OP.

I have seen momentum effected in-game (not sure abt 19 cos I havent gotten the game yet) as a user control. For instance, I was playing offball guarding CJ and fighting off offball screens. Those screens caught me and slowed me down in catching up with CJ. CJ was supposed to catch and shoot at the elbow but instead changed direction and sprinted to the key. I didnt expect it so when I changed direction, I felt a "suck-in" animation at the elbow area and change of direction (as the offball defender) wasnt instant.

At first I was frustrated, but then this is how it is irl. I actually like it.

I am hopeful 2K can implement it for onball defense with the trailing defender to be a second slower at sudden stop and a second slower to lift his foot for shot contest. The trailing defender should be sprinting hard to chase down Curry.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[El_Poopador]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

I'm not saying anything about the decision to do a stepback. Like I said, I was testing some things. I wasn't trying to play super smart basketball.

One of the things I was testing was momentum. Not having footplanting is ugly, but as long as the results are realistic, I can live with it. But when guys slide into position, ignoring the laws of physics, I see that as an issue.

The game can do it right. This is an almost identical scenario. Beat Sexton with the first step, get his momentum going chasing me, and step back to create the space. In the first example, he doesn't slow down to change directions, he just magically does it. In this clip, he actually plants and stops himself, which gives me the space I expected to have in the first clip. It was from a full sprint both times.


The problem is that it's inconsistent. Here is a steal where we're both running full sprint. Again, I slam on the brakes and step back, and he doesn't even slow down before changing directions; he stops on a dime and is ready to defend. He ran too far past me before I did the stepback, and that is the only reason the shot wasn't contested.

[Baebae32]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Looks to me that he had 2 full steps to slow down after you stopped your momentum. In your 2nd example How many do you want him to take?

[tril]

Re: Footplanting and Momentum

Looks to me that he had 2 full steps to slow down after you stopped your momentum. In your 2nd example How many do you want him to take?

exactly... there are alot of folks acting delusional because the other game emphasized foot planting.
"look how could he stop on a dime". "look he recovered to quickly", "look the defender is floating".

if you all want slower reactions they are in the sliders. slow down lateral quickness and player movement sliders.

2k16 and titles before that had great foot planting. again sacrifices were made for responsiveness and smoothness.

foot planting is a mess in the other game in alot of situations.