Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

[ph33]

Re: Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

Open shooting percentages are a problem, and so are "Lightly contested" shots. Those are too easy to hit as well if you're pure with badges.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

This game is ridiculous.
Last night I joined a group of 4 guys, that I didn’t know, for a few games of Rec. They clearly all knew each other.
Before the game they were telling the PG not to cost us the game and I thought they were joking.
He was a Shot Creating Sharp PG. He didn’t make a PG for PG reasons, he made one so that he would always have the ball. He went on to take over 30 shots in the first game and between the rest of us we took maybe 3 shots a piece.
He would come down the court do a couple of cheesy moves and take a 3, most of which went in. He has 1 assist and no one else had less than 3. I lead the team as the PF with 6. We win by 6 points, he had 45.
Next game, more of the same. He again shot over 30 shots, this time his percentage wasn’t as good as the first game, he only made like 55% of his shots this game again 1 assist. We lost the game by 4 and they finally said if you’d pass the ball like a PG, we could have won. He said look at my stats, I’m the reason that we even had a chance.
Next game as the game is starting, he invited the opposing teams PG to the party so that he could tell him he was gonna drop 40 on his head.
They started having me and the other PF, playing SF, bring the ball up so that we could actually have some semblance of a PG.
The game ends and he put up 40 shots, about 45% and scored 34. He gave up 37. We won because all but two players from the other team quit.
The last game that I played with them, we lost, because he invites the PG we just played against to play with us. Between the two of them they shot about 60 shots and I had 1.
Every single game we played I, the 6’11” two-way post scorer, lead the team in assists.


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Thats hilarious. I don't mind leading the team assists as a big. I generally do unless I'm playing with a great pg, but when all my assists are off rebs and inbounds it's like ehhh.



I dunno how you dudes get on the mic. Like I tell people I generally only get on the mic to just chill. You can't reason with someone when they play that way, and if you try to give them advice they get all passive aggressive.



The one time I remember saying something to someone was I was in non party w a friend and we were just chatting and I'm always like wtf this this dude doing haha and I forget people can hear me (another reason I don't get on mic), but I was like yo man I see you wanna shoot and that's cool but if you make a move and are getting stopped, pass the ball to me, and I'll pass it back to you. That's like a novel concept none of those dudes ever thought of. It worked for awhile then he got all self assured again and started just running around and jacking.



I don't even remember Ws and Ls that much from when I played 2k18 cuz it was pretty much about who had the better Shooters. There were some close games where you felt like you might have influenced it, but it was more like go in, get my a+ and get my vc. It's funny how they always give mvp to the guy with points too. I could get like 8 points 18 boards 8 assists 3 steal and 5 blocks and it's like mvp is the dude who got 40 and didn't do anything else.


Edit: and 40 where 25 of them were cherries.



-Smak

[Housh123]

Re: Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

This game sucks


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[3ShowTime2]

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Joined an obvious squad yesterday as the last spot. They had a shot/sharp that went 29/32 from downtown over both games. 2 of the 3 misses were last second shots that were deep and contested. No matter how you see it this should not ever be possible.

[ASAP Floppy]

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DeAndre Jordan can hit corner threes if you don't close out on him, quite the simulation of NBA basketball


I can see why Mike Wang doesn't come on here anymore, he got a lot of 'splaining to do

[loso_34]

Re: Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

DeAndre Jordan can hit corner threes if you don't close out on him, quite the simulation of NBA basketball


I can see why Mike Wang doesn't come on here anymore, he got a lot of 'splaining to do

He tuned shooting for the crowd who believes they should hit 80% of shots they time well if they’re open.

The same people who use the shot meter as a crutch who believe timing a shot is a skill.

[Goffs]

Re: Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

DeAndre Jordan can hit corner threes if you don't close out on him, quite the simulation of NBA basketball


I can see why Mike Wang doesn't come on here anymore, he got a lot of 'splaining to do [emoji38]

I play offline and I've seen centers that have no business making threes like that. I literally leave those guys open and they hit nothing but net. Its downright annoying.

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[awg811]

Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

Thats hilarious. I don't mind leading the team assists as a big. I generally do unless I'm playing with a great pg, but when all my assists are off rebs and inbounds it's like ehhh.



I dunno how you dudes get on the mic. Like I tell people I generally only get on the mic to just chill. You can't reason with someone when they play that way, and if you try to give them advice they get all passive aggressive.



The one time I remember saying something to someone was I was in non party w a friend and we were just chatting and I'm always like wtf this this dude doing haha and I forget people can hear me (another reason I don't get on mic), but I was like yo man I see you wanna shoot and that's cool but if you make a move and are getting stopped, pass the ball to me, and I'll pass it back to you. That's like a novel concept none of those dudes ever thought of. It worked for awhile then he got all self assured again and started just running around and jacking.



I don't even remember Ws and Ls that much from when I played 2k18 cuz it was pretty much about who had the better Shooters. There were some close games where you felt like you might have influenced it, but it was more like go in, get my a+ and get my vc. It's funny how they always give mvp to the guy with points too. I could get like 8 points 18 boards 8 assists 3 steal and 5 blocks and it's like mvp is the dude who got 40 and didn't do anything else.


Edit: and 40 where 25 of them were cherries.



-Smak

To your point, bigs are pretty much only in this game to set picks, rebound, and play defense.
Basically the only time the ball gets thrown to a post scorer is by accident or when a “dribble gawd” gets stopped and has to pass. People only look for perimeter shots. Couple this with the fact that if you do get a wide open shot at the rim, 2k will 1 make you miss or 2 give you a funky slow layup animation to get you blocked.
If you want the ball in the post, you have to camp in the paint directly under the basket, which has been a bit toned down this year, but still basically the only way to get the ball as a big other than rebound.

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[ILLSmak]

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To your point, bigs are pretty much only in this game to set picks, rebound, and play defense.
Basically the only time the ball gets thrown to a post scorer is by accident or when a “dribble gawd” gets stopped and has to pass. People only look for perimeter shots. Couple this with the fact that if you do get a wide open shot at the rim, 2k will 1 make you miss or 2 give you a funky slow layup animation to get you blocked.
If you want the ball in the post, you have to camp in the paint directly under the basket, which has been a bit toned down this year, but still basically the only way to get the ball as a big other than rebound.

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I play "the other game" and it's not unlike this. A few people are better, smarter. To housh's point the just loading you into a lobby with people, showing overall and showing hype (which is like what park had that rookie-pro etc) tends to get you in games a lot more than having to wait got next with people who do complex background checks, so I've prob seen a larger variation of people, but passing in all gms is not really an expected skill



The funniest thing about camping deep in the paint is you reach that point that you never should reach where it's like I gotta get out of the paint or I'm gonna get 3sec. Had a dude pinned or just been wide and then people pass you the ball either just before then and you get 3 sec or they pass it as you are sliding out of the paint, leading to the steal or just a weird catch.



I play w this girl (or did on 2k) and she's like if I'm open in the paint I'm just gonna stay there haha. Funny thing is after you get a three sec it does kind of cause people to assess the situation cuz when the whistle blows and it all stops everyone has to look at where you were. And that can lead to getting touches. But it is kinda dumb in both games to dump the ball inside as a strategy. Giving the ball to someone high post to playmake is kind of a litmus test for bball iq. But it's never gonna be like 1990 in bball 5v5. Never has been. But 2k, as I've posted countless times, has an artificial difficulty increase as you approach the rim, which sucks. It hasn't been there for more than a few years, but I guess they didn't like bigs housing people. But really dudes are gonna find a way to make 70% of their shots if they are good at the Game, so might as well have it be something that seems realistic.



Even if they balance inside, which they should, the game will always live and die by three.
Even good post up (to me at least) is just to set up good outside shots. Nobody is gonna play a game where people miss 27 straight 3 pointers but having bigs that can do something, at least feel involved, is important. Like they say on the break, reward the big man for running. We can survive a lot off of a couple good looks and dunks.



-Smak

[derlaid]

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Setting aside the issue of sim vs arcade basketball, the real game of basketball, on which this game has based its ruleset and design, assigns a 3 point value to shots that are difficult to make because of distance and being less likely to go in compared to a midrange and close shot.

As a matter of game design, if your best and easiest action gives you the most points, your game has fundamentally failed.

[ph33]

Re: Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

Setting aside the issue of sim vs arcade basketball, the real game of basketball, on which this game has based its ruleset and design, assigns a 3 point value to shots that are difficult to make because of distance and being less likely to go in compared to a midrange and close shot.

As a matter of game design, if your best and easiest action gives you the most points, your game has fundamentally failed.

that's so beautifully said

[ForeverVersatile]

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It's every mode. This is from PNO.
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Was 4-4 with Dame and didn't miss one CJ either. He was 14-17 before i couldn't take anymore.
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[ASAP Floppy]

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It's every mode. This is from PNO.
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Was 4-4 with Dame and didn't miss one CJ either. He was 14-17 before i couldn't take anymore.
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Let me guess, he called for a screen, then moved a little to one direction and if you made contact with the screen he shot, if you went under the screen he took a 25+ footer. If you did contest it was to the side and the game doesn't register side contests even if you flick up rather than holding up on the right stick.

Every starting guard in this game can shoot a top of the key 3 from behind a screen, everyone of them, even Kris Dunn and Frank Ntilikina.

[shayellis]

Re: Is 3pt spam even worse than last year?

Setting aside the issue of sim vs arcade basketball, the real game of basketball, on which this game has based its ruleset and design, assigns a 3 point value to shots that are difficult to make because of distance and being less likely to go in compared to a midrange and close shot.

As a matter of game design, if your best and easiest action gives you the most points, your game has fundamentally failed.

Put rationally and almost even poetically

[Goffs]

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Let me guess, he called for a screen, then moved a little to one direction and if you made contact with the screen he shot, if you went under the screen he took a 25+ footer. If you did contest it was to the side and the game doesn't register side contests even if you flick up rather than holding up on the right stick.

Every starting guard in this game can shoot a top of the key 3 from behind a screen, everyone of them, even Kris Dunn and Frank Ntilikina.

Same tactic used by the CPU for the past few years now. High pick from 3 little space and shoot. SPLASH all day everyday....