Guys fouling out before the half

[Comduklakis]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

1. Sad the responses from a couple people. I thought the topic was obvious.

2. Been an issue for years. And to me it would seem to be so easy to fix. I'm not video game coder obviously but it simply would require code that prioritizes. Right now the #1 priority is minutes. And if you have rotations set, then the particular time frame for those minutes. Another factor is fatigue.

So simply code that fouls take priority over fatigue or projected minutes. 2 fouls in the 1st quarter, set down. No matter what. 3 fouls, done for the half. 4 fouls in the 3rd shuts you down. it's not rocket science.

For some reason they have never managed to code a simple standard of priorities. While I've never had anyone foul out in the 1st half I would say that at least 8-10 games per season of an 82 game myleague season I have my CPU opponent allow a player to get his 4th foul in the 1st half.

10% of the time. Very common. And for the slow kids, that is the AI and has nothing to do with users "spamming the steal button."

[stizz]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

Rather than resorting to name calling I decided to do a little test: 12 min quarters, default sliders, pro difficulty. Me (Rockets) vs CPU (Bulls). Auto subs.

I got 2 quick fouls with Paul 20 seconds into the first quarter and he got subbed out. Didn't return for the rest of the quarter.

Second quarter got 2 more fouls a minute in and he was subbed out. Every couple of minutes I would intentionally find to give the team the chance to sub him back in. They never did.

Small sample size but yeah, not seeing what you're seeing. Maybe the AI has different sub logic but I haven't encountered this issue before.

If I can be bothered I'll try a different test tweaking the sliders to increase steal attempts and foul frequency for the AI.

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[kamoner_]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

Rather than resorting to name calling I decided to do a little test: 12 min quarters, default sliders, pro difficulty. Me (Rockets) vs CPU (Bulls). Auto subs.

I got 2 quick fouls with Paul 20 seconds into the first quarter and he got subbed out. Didn't return for the rest of the quarter.

Second quarter got 2 more fouls a minute in and he was subbed out. Every couple of minutes I would intentionally find to give the team the chance to sub him back in. They never did.

Small sample size but yeah, not seeing what you're seeing. Maybe the AI has different sub logic but I haven't encountered this issue before.

If I can be bothered I'll try a different test tweaking the sliders to increase steal attempts and foul frequency for the AI.

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they will take the player out after 2 fouls in the first quarter. they will take the player out after 4 fouls in the second quarter (should be 3 but meh).

they will never, ever, ever take action in the 2nd half once a player picks up his 5th or 6th fouls.

[CaseIH]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

Rather than resorting to name calling I decided to do a little test: 12 min quarters, default sliders, pro difficulty. Me (Rockets) vs CPU (Bulls). Auto subs.

I got 2 quick fouls with Paul 20 seconds into the first quarter and he got subbed out. Didn't return for the rest of the quarter.

Second quarter got 2 more fouls a minute in and he was subbed out. Every couple of minutes I would intentionally find to give the team the chance to sub him back in. They never did.

Small sample size but yeah, not seeing what you're seeing. Maybe the AI has different sub logic but I haven't encountered this issue before.

If I can be bothered I'll try a different test tweaking the sliders to increase steal attempts and foul frequency for the AI.

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Its basically in the 3rd and 4th qtr's where the CPU has poor foul trouble management. Now they will let a player get 4 fouls before the 1st half, and then they wont start him in the 2nd half, but at the 1st dead ball, that player is subbed in. And if the CPU has decided that player is going to play all or most of the 3rd qtr with 5 fouls, there is a chance they will foul out, and it does happen. Now I havent had a player foul out yet in the 3rd qtr, but have seen a player play all o rmost of the 3rd qtr with 5 fouls, and he starts the 4qtr with 5 fouls and fouls out just a few minutes into the 4th qtr.

I saw that happen a lot over the past few yrs, because its been broke that long, only reason I havent seen anyone foul out in the 3rd qtr in NBA2k19, is because there are so few fouls called,lol.



I only play 12 minute qtr's, so it is definitely a major issue for anyone who plays realistic with 12 minute qtrs, and its been a major issue for a few yrs now, and the devs continue to ignore it. Its started back in NBA2k14, with the CPU managing foul trouble poorly. Before 2k14, the game always did a good job with the CPU managing foul trouble.



I dont know what happened, that the devs screwed it up, but its about time they fix it, along with fixing the lack of fouls being called. except for reach in fouls, as reach ins are the only consistent foul the game calls, if it werent for that, you would play some full games where no fouls would get called,lol.

[stizz]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

So basically the title of this thread is pure nonsense? Gotcha. Lying and making a problem sound worse than it is, is not gonna get it fixed. How are the devs meant to investigate late game foul/foul logic when the title says guys fouling out before the half?

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[TallyBoi7]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

He’s 100% correct, it is an issue against the CPU.

Most guys play 6-8 minute quarters but if you played 11-12 minute quarters it would be much more prevelant in the forums.

Shoot, 70% of the forum now only sticks with the created player modes so you won’t hear much about the issue.

I was hoping it was fixed this year. Group subs are, but this is still a thing.

Yep...I’ve had CPU players foul out in late 3rd quarter early 4th quarter in just about every one of my MyCareer games.

It’s definitely an issue on 12 minute quarters.

[aliadiere25]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

So basically the title of this thread is pure nonsense? Gotcha. Lying and making a problem sound worse than it is, is not gonna get it fixed. How are the devs meant to investigate late game foul/foul logic when the title says guys fouling out before the half?

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It isn't nonsense. I once had a game where the computer fouled me 36 times in a game..... yes, 36 times! All because I was trying to post up with my center.

[GisherJohn24]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

Not completely related, but it appears the time out bug is till there, or lack there of for the cpu calling time outs when behind?

[CaseIH]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

Not completely related, but it appears the time out bug is till there, or lack there of for the cpu calling time outs when behind?

Its improved from last yr, but yeah, its still not ideal by any means. But it is better than it was last in 18. What I do and I did it last yr, is if the CPU doesnt call a timeout when I feel they should, I willl switch my controller over too the CPU and call the TO, then switch right back to my team. Not ideal, but it is a work around.



It does seem, some teams will call TO quicker than others, I dont know if it is somehow tied into a coaches tendency IRL. Because some coaches are quicker than others when calling TO. Especially if a coach has a more veteran team, sometimes a coach will let the players attempt to play thru a rough patch. Phil Jackson was known to do that, but when you have the GOAT in MJ, and you have another team with 2 of the all time best in Kobe and Shaq, you can get away with that more often:wink:

[ItchyNscratchy]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

I played against the wizards last night in MyCareer on superstar and their team had 4 team fouls with 11:07 remaining in the first quarter. John Wall got 2 fouls already. I think he even got 1 in the first 3 seconds of the game. I was like wtf?!? There really is a problem with the foul calls.

[GisherJohn24]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

Its improved from last yr, but yeah, its still not ideal by any means. But it is better than it was last in 18. What I do and I did it last yr, is if the CPU doesnt call a timeout when I feel they should, I willl switch my controller over too the CPU and call the TO, then switch right back to my team. Not ideal, but it is a work around.



It does seem, some teams will call TO quicker than others, I dont know if it is somehow tied into a coaches tendency IRL. Because some coaches are quicker than others when calling TO. Especially if a coach has a more veteran team, sometimes a coach will let the players attempt to play thru a rough patch. Phil Jackson was known to do that, but when you have the GOAT in MJ, and you have another team with 2 of the all time best in Kobe and Shaq, you can get away with that more often:wink:

Thank you this is good input and I did not know that and I will get that a try when they are lacking calling timeouts

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[Hengist]

Re: Guys fouling out before the half

So basically the title of this thread is pure nonsense? Gotcha. Lying and making a problem sound worse than it is, is not gonna get it fixed. How are the devs meant to investigate late game foul/foul logic when the title says guys fouling out before the half?

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First, derail the thread. Second, accuse thread of being a lie.

Hopefully your third act will be removing your hind parts from this discussion.