Patch 3 Coming

[ASAP Floppy]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

Don’t nerf the passing lane steals or we are going to go back to the easy in the paint passes.

Nah, there has to be a mechanic where hitting steal uses stamina, it's ridiculous to watch a team play defense where all 5 are just randomly swiping at air for the entire possession. The success should still be the same, but you shouldn't be able to spend an entire possession just randomly hitting square. Timing passing lane steals should be risk reward, if you press at the wrong time you should lose stamina and be left open for a backdoor cut.


On ball steals should be for lockdowns, everyone else should have to deal with high rates of fouls.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

Steal spamming off the ball has to be punished more. As others said, there's pretty much no consequence for doing so. I'm ok with how they handle on-ball stealing though. When I dribble down the court it's amusing to see 4-5 people on the other team not really guarding their man, but guarding the passing lane. They're all swiping at the air. And in real life, you would be able to make a pass over the defender because they're out of position. But very often in this game, your player turns into Nathan Peterman and the opponent is Calvin Johnson.

MLO bugs, please address it. Enough said on that. Quite frankly, if you bought the game for *that*, you have been robbed.

Lots of things clearly need work so I'm not going to say "prioritize this over this" but hopefully this patch addresses the most major problems across the game.



I think people are more concerned with spamming, not necessarily the passing lane steals.

With that being said, HowardPhillips brought up the point of backdoor cuts being impossible. What I will say about that, is very often the offensive player will have the defender beat backdoor, but the pass will go behind the player and straight to the defender. That's not right. If you have a good passing rating, that shouldn't happen. I could understand if you're trying that pass with a significantly lower rated passer/handler, but right now all the defender has to do is press square and their guy will leap for the ball and intercept it. That's rewarding bad defensive position. You shouldn't be bailed out when you get beat backdoor.

I wish I had kept the clip of where I made a bounce pass to address that very exact situation. It was beautiful! It's the main reason why I went back to the scrimmage mode to explore that little bit more. I think I might have been sleeping on the bounce pass over the years.

[ph33]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

I wish I had kept the clip of where I made a bounce pass to address that very exact situation. It was beautiful! It's the main reason why I went back to the scrimmage mode to explore that little bit more. I think I might have been sleeping on the bounce pass over the years.

I'm sure the bounce pass works great, but that shouldn't mean a regular pass is completely wack, especially with a playmaker type.

[FloridHardaway]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

I hope they fix playbook and complete rosters (like Thomas Wellsh at Denver for example) and active injuries (like Porzingis).

I wait to start MyLeague with the Nuggets...

[P Shirls]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

I think ppl have valid complaints but u have to also understand the logic behind 2k decisions.

It appears to me that shooting is OP to counter balance the OP defense to a degree. Makes sense when u think about it. To take it a step further since shooting is OP by design due to defense being op by design that explains why u can’t use warriors anytime u want for example because an open shot is basically a guarantee this year.

But 2k can’t simply single out the warriors hence the tier system. I certainly get what 2k was trying to do but it’s hard to make any game cheese proof

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

I'm sure the bounce pass works great, but that shouldn't mean a regular pass is completely wack.

It's more about which is the most appropriate pass from a videogame perspective. For me, I have stop throwing those particular passes in general. I throw those passes when I make a player manually cut, or off a particular freestyle where the player uses a screen for a backcut to the basket for an uncontested layup or dunk.

[JohnnyRay53]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

We just need one huge patch to fix all art updates!! Way to many players are outdated!!

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

I think ppl have valid complaints but u have to also understand the logic behind 2k decisions.

It appears to me that shooting is OP to counter balance the OP defense to a degree. Makes sense when u think about it. To take it a step further since shooting is OP by design due to defense being op by design that explains why u can’t use warriors anytime u want for example because an open shot is basically a guarantee this year.

But 2k can’t simply single out the warriors hence the tier system. I certainly get what 2k was trying to do but it’s hard to make any game cheese proof

Defense is only OP if people are not paying attention to what they're doing. The defense is only awarded for what you give to them. If you try to play the game at breakneck speed, then the defense will punish you. People need to learn to stop panicking when they see a double team. If you don't like people stealing the ball from you, then stop dribbling the ball in front of them. Czar stated in one of his videos the defense has a "zone" in front of the ball handler that they're entitled to regardless of rating. As for the steal spamming in Pro-Am, IF PEOPLE KNEW HOW YOU USE A GOOD POST CENTER, THEN YOU CAN BEAT THAT SPAMMING EASY!

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

The offense is OP due to the ridiculous number of badges they have to access to and good defense being so easily trumped.

[El_Poopador]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

With that being said, HowardPhillips brought up the point of backdoor cuts being impossible. What I will say about that, is very often the offensive player will have the defender beat backdoor, but the pass will go behind the player and straight to the defender. That's not right. If you have a good passing rating, that shouldn't happen. I could understand if you're trying that pass with a significantly lower rated passer/handler, but right now all the defender has to do is press square and their guy will leap for the ball and intercept it. That's rewarding bad defensive position. You shouldn't be bailed out when you get beat backdoor.

This drives me insane. I see a window for a pass, but the pass goes to the wrong side of the player and it ends up being a turnover. Or in my head I want to do a wrap around pass, but my player does a chest pass right into my defender.

The worst is alley oops. You can't control the height of the oop, so 90% of the time, the defender can just jump up and grab it out of the air because you throw it too low.

[El_Poopador]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

I disagree. Practice mode helped me tremendously in improving my game for PNO. You can practice things over and over without the pressure usually found in regular games. Right now, I'm practicing how to use Myles Turner and Domantas Sabonis in the post by feeding them the ball on over possession. Also, I'm trying to get better at using the bounce pass for when it's appropriate to use.

Personally, I don't think the defense should be touch one bit! Every turnover that I make online, I can blame it on myself, because I knew better before I pass the ball in the first place. Being a PNO player, the complaint about not being able to blow past people is complete rubbish. People abuse 4-1PnR all the time to get to rim as easy as walking.

I'm talking about strictly against the CPU defenders. I don't really have any issues with how user-controlled on-ball defense is right now.

[Goffs]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

The offense is OP due to the ridiculous number of badges they have to access to and good defense being so easily trumped.

Yep pick and roll, dimer....catch and shoot etc etc. and they all stack. The only thing I can think of for defense would be a quick feet badge. Make them move faster on closing out on the shooter quicker. Something! Anything to bother a shot!

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

[El_Poopador]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

Yep pick and roll, dimer....catch and shoot etc etc. and they all stack. The only thing I can think of for defense would be a quick feet badge. Make them move faster on closing out on the shooter quicker. Something! Anything to bother a shot!

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

They need to get rid of things like Dimer. Badges should not be able to affect other players. Why should my ability to make a shot change based on who passed me the ball?

[P Shirls]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

The offense is OP due to the ridiculous number of badges they have to access to and good defense being so easily trumped.

I agree with that but when u take into account what 2k now considers what a contest is, it kind of makes those badges more OP. As u stated somewhere else the pick n roll is basically open now cause there’s basically no contest on the side of the player u have to literally be in front. It’s little things like that I notice that help the shooter on offense because the blow by and the freedom of movement around the defense doesn’t exist as much anymore. So to me it seems like 2k will reward u for actually being open because defense is that much harder to get around. Add badges to that and it can get ugly smh

[Kid OS]

Re: Patch 3 Coming

The offense is OP due to the ridiculous number of badges they have to access to and good defense being so easily trumped.

To be fair, the phrase "great defense...but better offense" exists for a reason. Very rarely do you see a 30 point game that was because of open shots. Offense in basketball will always seem OP if you only watch the game, but if you look at the stats, you'll see that defense matters as well. Curry can shoot make 20 threes in a game, but the team could shoot only 49%. As overpowered as Curry may have been, the defense still made his team miss more than half of their shots. That's decent defense.