Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

[Junior Moe]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

What are these mythical points you've been making for years that are going unrebutted, because to be honest, I had to tell you 4 times in this thread that VC wasn't the issue, and you still keep repeating it.

Let me actually lay out exactly what you do; you bastardise the issues people are having, and then mischaracterise them with your straw men fallacies.

We're not sensitive dude, we're just absolutely bored with you spouting off and lecturing people with the same BS in every thread about a mode you don't play.

Oh, that's right, you play it casually and have upgraded your guy to a 77. To upgrade a player to 77 (in the cheapest way possible, but will cost more to upgrade your archetypes key attributes) costs between 115-120k vc. As you haven't spent a dime, I'll average up your vc per game to 1500, which I think is fair.

I'll split the difference and say the cost to 77 is 117.500 vc, so that equals out to about 78 career games, and then to 20 career games per week over a month, and about 3 career games per day broken down further. Am I supposed to believe that someone who is just a casual player has been playing 3 career games per day, every day for a month? How have those endorsement cheques been stacking up, my dude?

Tirelessly repeating straw men arguments about a mode you don't play doesn't make you irrefutable, it's trolling, and is against the ToS for operation sports.

LMFAO! You're doing way too much thinking. In short, its the same points I have been making for years. 2K is a business. I understand that. It's not just 2K, but gaming in general.



If I like a product I buy it. I play and invest time into said product. If there's a way to extend my enjoyment of said product, I have no problem spending money to do just that. I spent about 90$ on AC Origins between the main game and DLC. I'm probably gonna do the same with Spiderman. I just want to enjoy the product. I have no care for whats morally right or wrong. I get the people who think that's predatory or greedy. But that's something each individual has to figure for themselves.



Back to 2K, I'm not here to say that the grind or VC is good or bad. It may be too grindy or expensive. IDK. I've literally never said or inferred that it wasn't. Some people feel like it's too much. That's fair. Some don't mind. Again, fair. Some probably don't care much either way. I've seen opinions that run the spectrum. That's on 2K to find that balance (which will never happen). It's also on the users to know what they are getting themselves into. What I don't like is how you cats are always complaining and crying like your some victim. Then you get all moody when someone comes along who doesn't share that. Not just me, but others who have said they don't mind spending money so they can have fun. "You're part of the problem.; don't feed into it" and blah, blah, blah. On top of that you know exactly what 2K's model has been the last few years.



I don't bastardize anything. You guys like to embellish stuff to fit your "poor me" or "greedy them" narrative. Everything about VC and grinding to upgrade you player is bad or predatory according to you folks. I play MC casually (I also play ML, MGM, occasionally PNO) and I can upgrade my character decently for what I think he is. I'm a rookie coming up on Christmas with a 77 overall. Trae Young, a top 5 pick is a 77. I'm an undrafted Gleague scrub. I don't care about the rating or VC, I'm just having fun. That's probably where I differ from you dudes. I'm not obsessed with VC or my rating. If I had as much fun in the park and needed to be an 85 to do it, I'd just buy the VC. Or come to the park when I was rated high enough to have fun. If I want to play park today, buy VC. Not spending any money, I'll be back when I get rated high enough. Simple.



I don't care what you're tired of, my man. It's pretty easy to ignore me (I thought you were, actually). Since you're struggling with it though I'll do it for you. I ain't going back and forth with you... dudes.

[Vroman]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

It goes a bit too far when business model is to create a problem and offer solution for that problem by selling virtual currency.

In nba 2k case is all this ridiculous grind for your player or building squad in myteam. At the end end they want players to keep spending money for no extra content created at all. And if gaming industry keeps going like this unregulated it will all be thematic virtual casinos .

But hey, if its all people choices anything goes right.

[Bernte]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

LMFAO! You're doing way too much thinking. In short, its the same points I have been making for years. 2K is a business. I understand that. It's not just 2K, but gaming in general.



If I like a product I buy it. I play and invest time into said product. If there's a way to extend my enjoyment of said product, I have no problem spending money to do just that. I spent about 90$ on AC Origins between the main game and DLC. I'm probably gonna do the same with Spiderman. I just want to enjoy the product. I have no care for whats morally right or wrong. I get the people who think that's predatory or greedy. But that's something each individual has to figure for themselves.



Back to 2K, I'm not here to say that the grind or VC is good or bad. It may be too grindy or expensive. IDK. I've literally never said or inferred that it wasn't. Some people feel like it's too much. That's fair. Some don't mind. Again, fair. Some probably don't care much either way. I've seen opinions that run the spectrum. That's on 2K to find that balance (which will never happen). It's also on the users to know what they are getting themselves into. What I don't like is how you cats are always complaining and crying like your some victim. Then you get all moody when someone comes along who doesn't share that. Not just me, but others who have said they don't mind spending money so they can have fun. "You're part of the problem.; don't feed into it" and blah, blah, blah. On top of that you know exactly what 2K's model has been the last few years.



I don't bastardize anything. You guys like to embellish stuff to fit your "poor me" or "greedy them" narrative. Everything about VC and grinding to upgrade you player is bad or predatory according to you folks. I play MC casually (I also play ML, MGM, occasionally PNO) and I can upgrade my character decently for what I think he is. I'm a rookie coming up on Christmas with a 77 overall. Trae Young, a top 5 pick is a 77. I'm an undrafted Gleague scrub. I don't care about the rating or VC, I'm just having fun. That's probably where I differ from you dudes. I'm not obsessed with VC or my rating. If I had as much fun in the park and needed to be an 85 to do it, I'd just buy the VC. Or come to the park when I was rated high enough to have fun. If I want to play park today, buy VC. Not spending any money, I'll be back when I get rated high enough. Simple.



I don't care what you're tired of, my man. It's pretty easy to ignore me (I thought you were, actually). Since you're struggling with it though I'll do it for you. I ain't going back and forth with you... dudes.

your "it's a business" argument is completely stupid. i can make everything a business. slavery was a business. selling cocain is a business. being a pimp is a business. being a business doesn't mean anything without ethics. and 2k's business concept in context of the video game industry is unethical. simple as that.


concerning your "i'm a gleague guy" argument: yes, it's true, you shouldn't come out of the gleague and be a top tier nba player. but you also shouldn't come into the nba and be the worst player that has ever hit the courts, because why would an nba team be interested in signing the worst player ever? and as yesh2k has already mentioned, i don't believe you when you say that you leveled up to ovr 77 by just playing once in a while. it's just not possible (especially when you are still a 60 ovr), given the vc you make and what it costs to buy upgrades. you need to either grind (e.g. using the 1 minute "glitch") or play many, many games.

[Junior Moe]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

your "it's a business" argument is completely stupid. i can make everything a business. slavery was a business. selling cocain is a business. being a pimp is a business. being a business doesn't mean anything without ethics. and 2k's business concept in context of the video game industry is unethical. simple as that.


concerning your "i'm a gleague guy" argument: yes, it's true, you shouldn't come out of the gleague and be a top tier nba player. but you also shouldn't come into the nba and be the worst player that has ever hit the courts, because why would an nba team be interested in signing the worst player ever? and as yesh2k has already mentioned, i don't believe you when you say that you leveled up to ovr 77 by just playing once in a while. it's just not possible (especially when you are still a 60 ovr), given the vc you make and what it costs to buy upgrades. you need to either grind (e.g. using the 1 minute "glitch") or play many, many games.

Call it stupid all you want, but we know that's what it all comes down to. Business. Slavery, since you went there, was largely about economics as reprehensible as it was. As to ethics and business, I can't help but laugh. What world have you been living in? Did you hear about the crazy markup on Epi pens a few years ago because a company essentially had a monopoly?

As for how I upgraded my player, I don't really care what you believe. Like I said before if I cared enough I'd just buy VC. I play mostly ML and MYGM with 11 min qtrs and custom difficulty. I play MC for the narrative and challange. Most years, I have dozens to hundreds of thousand of VC just sitting there when the new 2K comes out. Once I finish the story I never touch MC or VC again.

[Bernte]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

Call it stupid all you want, but we know that's what it all comes down to. Business. Slavery, since you went there, was largely about economics as reprehensible as it was. As to ethics and business, I can't help but laugh. What world have you been living in? Did you hear about the crazy markup on Epi pens a few years ago because a company essentially had a monopoly?

As for how I upgraded my player, I don't really care what you believe. Like I said before if I cared enough I'd just buy VC. I play mostly ML and MYGM with 11 min qtrs and custom difficulty. I play MC for the narrative and challange. Most years, I have dozens to hundreds of thousand of VC just sitting there when the new 2K comes out. Once I finish the story I never touch MC or VC again.

what are you talking about? repeating an argument over and over again ("business blahblah it's a business blahblah") isn't realling getting you anywhere. and that you seem to believe that business ethics is a joke, tells a lot about you as an individual.

if you play mc for the narrative, you should have stopped after the gleague part, because that's when the story ends.

[bigsmallwood]

Excellent write up! People need to embrace the grind and work on their game as a real player would have to do in order to get better. The only gripe I have with. 2K is the fact that your impact on the game should be scored differently based upon the created player. Dennis Rodman and Charles Barkley were AMAZING rebounders and  their defense impacted games immensely! You cannot score a player lowly just because they are not averaging 30 PPG. Reward players who get steals or cause consistent turnovers or who TAKE OVER the game in their own way in crunch time. Otherwise this is an excellent game

[Junior Moe]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

what are you talking about? repeating an argument over and over again ("business blahblah it's a business blahblah") isn't realling getting you anywhere. and that you seem to believe that business ethics is a joke, tells a lot about you as an individual.

if you play mc for the narrative, you should have stopped after the gleague part, because that's when the story ends.

What's funny is that you seem to think business and ethics are somehow linked when they are not. Its a nice notion but it isn't reality. As for the rest, I'm done. You habitual park VC/grind complainers are all the same. I'll play and enjoy the game how I want in whatever capacity I want. Hopefully the entire gaming industry changes in a year and y'all won't have to rehas the same thing for 2K20.

[Keith01]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

The thing about grind and the specter of grind (which is something amazing to look back at once you've gotten away from it. I say this as someone who has played grindy games) is that your sense of progression is tied to the game. You are progressing toward an end game or you are purposely trying to make your guy stronger just to see how strong you can get.



The reason why it's off as an experience that is tied to multi-player is because multi-player is the end game. As someone who played a full loot sandbox I can say pvp is the end game of that, for instance, and you don't lose everything when you lose in 2k, but you are still stuck doing what amounts to menial tasks in a safe zone until you can venture out into the wild (pvp.)



If they wanna make a mode where you start in high school and go thru the pros and it's offline or you can ball with people also in hs, college, etc... That'd be fun and cool. Although you would think the lower levels would eventually be empty.



In summary, it's grind because the path is not a path. It's something right in front of your face. It's like you need 1000 gold to buy a new set of armor but you can't kill any dragons so you have to pick fruit and sell it to an npc. For hours.



As someone who played 2k Mc there wasn't much of a difference between how much I could contribute based on my rating. It wasn't like I needed to get above 60 to start vs hof Ai. But when you get online and are playing vs people who you can't even dribble the ball against its like augh. Gotta go "grind", take a tough loss and then you think man if I had deadeye we prol would have won, gotta grind it up.



Dudes being like Yea my goal this weekend is to get hof chase down. I dunno. And every year too.



I wanna play a game and see who the best player is. I wanna compete and enjoy the thrill of it, win or loss, not feel like I lost because someone had better badges than me.



No matter how good a game is, it gets tiring doing that every year. There is no embracing an artificial journey that is imposed every 12 months.



-Smak

Great post.

I wanna play a game and see who the best player is. I wanna compete and enjoy the thrill of it, win or loss, not feel like I lost because someone had better badges than me.

Yep, 100%.

All-Star Teamup was an equalizer as a break from the unevenness last year but where tf did that go in 2k19? It's m.i.a.

1) 2K likes this model though 'cause it gives the little bum casual Billy some hope, all he has to do is grind some badges and can go find a 'glitchy jumper' from some youtuber and compete with the rest.

2) It's amazing how many players would suck without their character. 2K is so much about finding the 'best OP character' rather than proving who has the best skills. It's at direct odds with each other 'cause some of the best players I know don't have the time to grind, but they should still be able to compete. This game rewards 'addicts' lol. Which, unsurprisingly is exactly what 2K wants. I guess it's like COD if you have a bb gun vs a bazooka, it's gonna reward the grinders. But it sucks that a segment of the community will be isolated from real comp because of the need to grind.

[laflame]

The anti consumerism is embarrassing, 2k has multi-million dollars they do not need you to defend them.

[Junior Moe]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

The anti consumerism is embarrassing, 2k has multi-million dollars they do not need you to defend them.

Embarrassing to you maybe. I think it's embarrassing that the same cats keep falling for the same crap and then moan and cry about it. Sorry I'm not shocked and appalled at capitalism; or understanding that a for profit company will try to bleed every dollar out of you that it can (and YOU let it). It's like going to the movie theater and being shocked that Milk Duds are $3.50 when you can get them for a $1 at WalMart.That's a stupid markup. I wouldn't blame anyone for not buying it. I don't, and I love Milk Duds. I just don't see it as inherently good or bad, though. I can not purchase, and still enjoy a movie just fine.

[Yesh2kdone]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

Embarrassing to you maybe. I think it's embarrassing that the same cats keep falling for the same crap and then moan and cry about it. Sorry I'm not shocked and appalled at capitalism; or understanding that a for profit company will try to bleed every dollar out of you that it can (and YOU let it). It's like going to the movie theater and being shocked that Milk Duds are $3.50 when you can get them for a $1 at WalMart.That's a stupid markup. I wouldn't blame anyone for not buying it. I don't, and I love Milk Duds. I just don't see it as inherently good or bad, though. I can not purchase, and still enjoy a movie just fine.

Yet again in this thread you're attacking other forum members. Good for you dude. If your join date was 2018 instead of 2009, there is no doubt your name would be pink by now.

[ph33]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

How many times is this clown going to say he's done and then keep coming back?

"You aren't going to change these dudes minds"

Yeah, you're not. But you keep coming back. Sound familiar?

[Gosens6]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

How many times is this clown going to say he's done and then keep coming back?

"You aren't going to change these dudes minds"

Yeah, you're not. But you keep coming back. Sound familiar?

I mean, isn’t it kinda like how you guys keep trying to change 2Ks mind about their VC and greedy practices.

They don’t, yet you continually buy the game year after year knowing their VC policy? You guys get so mad and torture yourself year after year.

Coming to the forums and saying what greedy bastards they are, and it’s a scam and this and that, yet you keep giving a company $60 every year for a game you apparently hate.

I don’t know, I don’t really care, just my observations

🤷🏾*♂️


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[ph33]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

Why do you guys care so much what other people think and do?

So let me be clear, we're qualified to bitch about stuff ONLY if we didn't buy the game?


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[kehlis]

Re: Learning to Embrace the MyCareer Grind in NBA 2K19

Yet again in this thread you're attacking other forum members. Good for you dude. If your join date was 2018 instead of 2009, there is no doubt your name would be pink by now.

Drop it.

He actually hasn't attacked anyone. He gave his opinion and those of you who took it to heart are the ones who perceived it as an attack.

As much as you are allowed to give your opinion, so is he. There has been an actual good amount of trolling being done towards him in this thread that have names a lot closer to pink than his name.

And no, join date has no bearing. I've had no issues banning people in the past who have been around since the sites inception. And I don't even know this user.

If you guys want him to stop posting, then take your own advice and stop posting. No one is changing anyone's mind at this point.