#SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Great ideas so far.

One I will add is improving dribble hand offs by allowing us to get the hand offer to screen aswell. The Jazz do it a lot in this video. It adds more strategy as it can tie in to on ball defensive settings (does the defender go over/under, switch etc).

It can be triggered by holding the button longer to set the screen, or letting it go earlier to do the pitch.


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[TMagic]

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Just touching on what others have brought up in the thread...but the game lacks balance when it comes to finishing at the rim.

You'll get defenders out position via a good post move, upfake, or play call only to have him still be able to get a block on you more times than not.

One problem is the lack of foul calls for poorly timed/out of position blocks...as was mentioned by Kushmir (couldn't like his post enough), there needs to be more accountability.

The other problem is that the animations lack context many times when finishing at the rim. Too many times you'll get what SHOULD be an easy lay in after beating a defender, only to have him get a block after your player goes up with the silliest lay in attempt. They lay the ball up or take a shot as if they are the only one on the court.

Players lack contextual awareness on shots where they are unimpeded. Players should be going up much quicker than they do currently and be looking to keep distance between the defender and the ball on shot attempts at the rim.

Similar to how bigs are taught to use their off hand to shield the ball on hook shots, players should be looking to shield their shots by using their off arm or body to keep the defense at Bay, unable to make a block. For example, a lot of smaller players will kind of stick their butt out while attempting a lay up when they've got a defender beat which keeps the defender at bay unable to reach the ball to make a block. LeBron is great at using his body to keep a would be shot blocker off balance so that a block attempt can't even be attempted while gathering.

Other simple things like having a guard put the ball up quickly on the backboard which negates any opportunity to block it because in doing so, it would be considered goaltending, or having bigs not bring the ball down or gather when they catch a pass near the basket and their defender is out of position. There simply needs to be more urgency and awareness on these close shot attempts.

[Gramps91]

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Ability to edit player morale. IRL, Jimmy Butler wanted out of Minnesota. I'd like the ability to create storylines manually in MyLeague to make it more exciting. What if I wanted Kyrie to be miserable for playing in Tatum's shadow because he's getting too good?

As long as it's optional. Personally, the last I want is storylines. One of the main reasons I play MyLeague over MyGM is because I don't want players harping at me over playing time or wanting to be traded. I just like building teams and playing basketball, simple as that.

[youALREADYknow]

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Players lack contextual awareness on shots where they are unimpeded. Players should be going up much quicker than they do currently and be looking to keep distance between the defender and the ball on shot attempts at the rim.

Similar to how bigs are taught to use their off hand to shield the ball on hook shots, players should be looking to shield their shots by using their off arm or body to keep the defense at Bay, unable to make a block. For example, a lot of smaller players will kind of stick their butt out while attempting a lay up when they've got a defender beat which keeps the defender at bay unable to reach the ball to make a block. LeBron is great at using his body to keep a would be shot blocker off balance so that a block attempt can't even be attempted while gathering.

There’s one HUGE related issue with animations which has been in this game since the move to X360/PS3.

There is no situational awareness of dominant hand as it relates to ball handling or layups. Go watch the CPU James Harden finish most layups right-handed and righties finish most layups left-handed despite their dominant hand setting in the roster.

There’s also the same on dribbling where players actively maintain a live ball dribble in the hand closest to the on-ball defender for no apparent reason. Real basketball is all about angles and ball protection, but in 2K it’s not respected as such.

There should be built-in logic for knowing where the defense is relative to ball and rim. Tie it into the ball handling, driving layup, and shot IQ attributes to separate the Kyrie’s (master level) from the Lonzo’s who can’t finish in traffic due to lack of hand/defender awareness. Respect the Drive Right/Left Tendenct as a dribbling HAND tendency instead of a directional bias for AI players and as the default hand for User ball handlers.

[Kushmir]

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This game is tangible proof block timing/ratings doesn't matter AND CHEESERS KNOW...they try blocks with any and everyone and aren't punished. Most of all users aren't punished with being out of the play/getting whistled when they miss blocks--which is basic H2H Balance.

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Here's the last play, which has the help defender drop middle when we CLEARLY prioritized defending the three in the Coaching Menu (watch Brewer):

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Notice how many blocks he has: RIDICULOUS--Half of them were landing on me.

[TMagic]

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There has to be an option for having our PG COME BACK to the ball and provide an outlet to rebounders. If I had a dollar for everytime my PG is racing downcourt like i've selected 'Run in Transition' (I dont) i'd be a millionaire. I kinda like the ball in the hands of my best ball-handler passer late--weird I know.

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I've been experimenting with holding circle button to bring players in to get the ball in the interim. Having little success as there are many times it just brings the closest big over which isn't very helpful [emoji23]

[wrestlinggod1]

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I want to be able to call a timeout as soon as the ball goes through the net for the other team. I sometimes want to throw my controller after mashing the touch pad for a timeout that doesn't come until there's a little delay.

[Kushmir]

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I've been experimenting with holding circle button to bring players in to get the ball in the interim. Having little success as there are many times it just brings the closest big over which isn't very helpful [emoji23]

Right? You should see my face when my PF comes over for a handoff...I'm all: "Really? This is what we're doing?" lol

Another legacy issue is the game's inability to interpret when I wanna continue to the basket with the shot-stick. I'm still pulling up when I have an open lane and i'm pointing the R-stick towards the rim. This is very simple: Towards the basket is continuing your momentum towards the rim, while pulling back on the stick should represent a jump shot/stopping your momentum.

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[Kushmir]

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You won't find a bigger fan of defense than me but unbalanced gameplay (2K19 Steals/Block timing) always ends up getting exposed....still, perimeter mismatches aren't displayed well at all this year. We should see more blocking fouls when bigs are trying to keep up with quick guards. IMO the bumping represents the instances when guys aren't able to get to the basket but there are some great redirect animations that serve the same purpose but dont affect the dribblers freedom of movement.

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Also, beat defenders should see their foul outcomes go way up when they attempt blocks from behind...especially for non-shot blockers. I'm not saying blocks from behind can't happen but the foul outcomes should be significantly higher--there has to be a downside to getting beat. This is the same mechanic that prevents guards from taking advantage when they beat bigs on the perimeter.

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Also: STOP REWARDING BAD BLOCK TIMING AS A CONTEST IN THE PAINT.

Missing blocks has to take defenders out of the play--so the offensive player will be alone unless there's help. Let players contest if they want to affect shots--blocks are an all-or-nothing reward.

[Kushmir]

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There are never enough reminders how totally off Block Timing is and how it effects shooters the most.

Notice I dont hail mary the ball downcourt like so many, I anticipate a time when transition defenders are competent so I dont play that way now--and in the end its not fun for me. I like out-thinking guys. Still, this guy has terrible timing, tries to block a pass by TJ (one foul ignored) then hits Cov before the shot attempt aaaaand.....nothing.

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How about him missing a block with 6'3" Shelvin Mack (block rating 37) then missing AGAIN with Parsons and ultimately Mack coming down on Dario and it resulting in a turnover. This is why spam happens guys--because there's no downside to it.

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NOTE: I wont even comment on Simmons' fading hook shot away from the basket instead of finishing at the rim--that's whole separate post.

I beat this guy late and while I hate these kind of games, they give me so much good footage because these guys know all of the gameplay loopholes. Consider here where he tries to deflect the pass and misses, then attempts to steal the ball from Simmons in the open court and misses--but still stays in textbook defensive position in order to contest the shot. Risk/Reward gameplay can't allow spam like this....he has to choose--he can contest the shot or go for a steal--HE CAN'T DO BOTH. And either he's called for a contact foul via the missed steal (again: punish failure--neutral outcomes are bad) or he lunges out of position giving Simmons an open lane to the rim. SIMPLE.

RISK. REWARD.

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[CaVsFaN2273]

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My ideas for art direction.

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• NBA Player Models:
  Let me start out by thanking you guys for all the work you've done to improve the player models/body types these past 2 years. The players actually look realistic and more like athletes now. With that being said there are still a lot of small inaccuracies that need to be ironed out.
  
  - Body Proportions:
  1. Players with oversized heads
  2. Players with no necks
  3. Players with short arms
  4. Short legs/Lower body in general (example below)
  
  
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  Shoutout to strawberryshortcake for this great explanation and example.
  

  Putting the following discussion about player model in the appropriate thread here. 2k has an issue especially with big man proportions. Anthony Davis is probably the biggest indicator of the leg length being too short. He is the one player I look at to determine if anything has been finally corrected, and it unfortunately appears that limb length will still be problematic.
  
  
  

  https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-basketball/936955-nba-2k19-myteam-trailer-full-details-first-locker-code-nba-2k19-9.html

  
  
  
  
  Knee cap and shin area is not proportionally correct. Changing uniform size will not adjust limb length that is visually exposed. NBA 2k Anthony Davis doesn't have enough shin length. It's missing a rough estimate of 5 inches give or take, or whatever. Knee cap to the top of the white sock should be almost equal to the length of the sock to ankle.
  
  But in 2k Davis, it's not equal. Knee cap to top of white sock is missing length.
  
  Spoiler tag contains shin length estimated visual "measurement". Also notice the length of his forearm compared to his lower leg shin length. It's a comparative photograph versus 2k with shin length markings show a clearer picture of what's missing with 2k Davis.
  

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  One of these Davis' don't belong. Two of these Davis' lower leg length actually fits a big man, and looks 6'11" or close to 7 feet.
  
  *(For reference, I simply copied and pasted your green line onto my "extended" limb length Davis. So I'm not actually drawing a new line; it's the same line length)* It's a bad microsoft windows paint job, but it's a rough estimate to show why 2k Davis is still proportionally incorrect.
  
  

  
  
  - Issues with the skin tone of some players faces not matching the skin tone of their body
  
  - Matching players with the correct body types
  
  - Getting small details such as hair color and eye color correct
  
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  Mike Bibby clearly has brown eyes, but someone gave him blue eyes. I know this is only one example, but there are others such as Bill Laimbeer and Chris Paul who are incorrect as well.
  
  
  - Creating more accurate cyberfaces for players you aren't able to get scanned (I can imagine that creating player faces from scratch is very time consuming, but a lot of them just look really off and stand out badly compared to scanned players)
  Examples:
  Redick
  Crawford
  Kennard
  
  - Player models with crossed eyes (examples below)
  
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  Other:
  - Let us edit wingspan, body length, and shoulder width again, also add the ability to edit leg length
  
  - Let us add/remove headbands again from the roster editor and MyLeague/MyGM
  
  - Improved hair textures: While you guys have done amazing on certain hairstyles, a lot of players hairstyles look really off. (Brian Mazique talked about this in one of his 2K19 videos: https://youtu.be/ylHHr6DuqEU?t=476)
  
  
• Courts/Arenas:
  From my understanding, you guys decided to scan the actual in-arena lighting. However, I think you guys should take a different art direction and go for a more broadcast accurate look. Meaning it should look closer to what we see when we're watching an actual game on TV. I feel like this would be more visually appealing as the way the arenas/courts look now, at least to me, is dull and flat.
  
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  Shoutout to lakers24 for this example.
  2K:
  The Other Game:
  Real Life:
  
  
  - An improved lighting system with accurate lighting for each arena (the seating beyond the first few rows should not be pitch black)
  2K
  Real Life
  
  - More realistic crowd texture
  
  - Realistic court reflections
  
  - Realistic reflections off of players
  
  
• CAP:
  While we are all so appreciative of the work you guys put into CAP this past year and how you listened to so many of our requests, there is always room for improvement. We ultimately want as much customization as possible. So here are a list of ideas:
  
  - More unique and diverse hairstyles (examples in spoiler, also PLEASE stop taking out hairstyles each year, add on to what you have)
  
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  - The ability to dye hair
  
  - The ability to layer facial hair again, including sideburns
  
  - Skin tone and eye color wheels to blend unique skin tones and eye colors
  
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  This is the closest thing I could find to what I'm talking about for the skin tone wheel:
  
  
  
  - More sculpting sliders including, but not limited to:
  1. Forehead Width
  2. Forehead Depth
  3. Brow Angle
  4. Eye Depth
  5. Mouth Depth
  6. Mouth Position
  7. Neck Length
  
  
  - The option to adjust leg length
  
  - Bring back muscle tones
  
  - Allow us to import face photos
  
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  Shout out to Da InFaMoUs NY for this great mock-up.
  
  
  
  - More realistic height to weight distribution
  
  - Actual measurements (feet and inches) for wingspan instead of a slider from 0-100
  
  - When choosing hairstyles, have it be in a grid format (i.e. WWE 2K: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UCxDN4bzkP4/maxresdefault.jpg)
  
  
• Jerseys:
  - Jerseys for all modern teams need to have a tighter fit
  
  - A lot of the fonts/logos are too big. Here's an example of Houston's jersey.
  2K
  Real Life
  
  
  - Colors of the jerseys are off. I think most of them are too dull. The Hornets jersey is an example of this.
  
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• Accessories:
  - We should have either a slider to adjust the length of arm sleeves and compression pants, or more options for different fits. Every player wears their accessories differently, so it would be cool to have the option to customize that.
  
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  *Notice how PG's arm sleeve doesn't come all the way down to his wrist. There are a lot of players who wear their sleeves a little higher.*
  
  
  
  - T-shirt with a shorter sleeve length (e.g. Anthony Davis)
  
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  - Tennis Headbands
  
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  - Bring back the sleeveless undershirts
  
  
• Presentation:
  - Injured players wearing suits on the bench
  
  - Get rid of player action shots completely, use only player head shots
  
  - We still need better dunk sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tsJRnMC2X8
  
  
• Animations:
  - We should be able to equip celebrations for NBA players and CAPs (why is this only in MyCareer?)
  
  - Add amateur JS releases back for CAPs
  
  - Let us rotate players when editing jump shots again
  
  
• Other:
  - We need a community manager for player likeness/art updates on social media. Someone who we can directly send feedback to (If the other game can have one, why can't 2K?)
  
  - We need more player hairstyles to be updated at launch. I know players are constantly changing their hairstyles, but they should at least be updated from their previous season look. I think most of us understand that with 2K being a yearly release, there won't be any major graphical jump, so when a majority of the players look the same, it feels like we're just playing the previous game.

[jk31]

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Basketball, real life basketball, is a non-contact sport and contact draws fouls. But, in NBA 2k, it’s like you’re a running back doing a tackling drill!
There is absolutely no situation where tiny little Steph Curry should be able to pin my 6’11” 250 pound PF in the paint and not allow me to move. There’s really no reason that anyone, regardless of size, should be able to keep me from moving in all directions simultaneously to lock me in the paint.
There’s also no logical explanation why Curry is able to box me out or stop me from walking my way into whatever position that I want to get in. In real life Curry wouldn’t even try to stop Anthony Davis when he’s running to the lane. He might fake like he’s going to try and then get out of the way to avoid getting ran over, but he’d never completely stop his momentum!
But again, in NBA 2k, Curry has no problems doing both. Not to mention that him just standing under the rim is enough to make my post scoring pf miss a standing layup.


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stopped reading at "non contact Sport". have you ever Played Basketball yourself?

[soze416]

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It’d be cool if we could have the ability to edit a coach’s help defense slider in the roster edit menu


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[youALREADYknow]

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It’d be cool if we could have the ability to edit a coach’s help defense slider in the roster edit menu

This and editing default Coach Defensive Settings would go a long way towards fixing offline gameplay.

[awg811]

#SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

stopped reading at "non contact Sport". have you ever Played Basketball yourself?

I absolutely have played basketball and quite a bit of it.
Have you?
If you know anything about basketball you would know that it’s a non-contact sport. Meaning, you are not allowed to make contact with the opposing team or a foul will be called.
In recent years they have changed the label from non-contact to limited contact, meaning some contact, such as bodying up someone in the post or crowding a ball handler, is allowed, but contact still draws fouls. Limited contact is allowed but excessive contact is a foul.
So stop reading all you like, but just because you choose to not read doesn’t change the facts or the rules.


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