WNBA confirmed for NBA 2K20.. looks like it.

[loso_34]

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I think it's you who needs to learn the difference between the words "truth" and "opinion." Asserting that the only way the WNBA would take off is to "turn it into Hooters" is an opinion, not a fact. No matter how much you personally believe it's true, that doesn't necessarily make it true. It is true that Hooters has a pretty obvious business model that's been successful for them; However, it's not like they're the most successful restaurant/fast-food chain in America (A quick search put them at #55 in 2018 with sales numbers trending down: https://www.restaurantbusinessonline...e=1#data-table). There are plenty of other larger, more successful chains in the country that DON'T adhere to Hooters' business philosophies. It's interesting that you would bring them up specifically as some kind of end-all business model for success that the WNBA should follow. Texas Road House is doing 3x and Buffalo Wild Wings is doing 4.5x their business (with sales numbers trending up) despite offering a similar service.



I think you also need to understand the concept that the WNBA doesn't have to be as popular as the NBA to be successful. The US National Women's Soccer team has been getting higher TV ratings then the Men's team recently, but even before that was happening, they certainly weren't a failure. The women's division of UFC isn't as big as the men's division, but they've been steadily gaining an audience. Women's tennis is probably the closest major sport in America to equaling their male counterparts in public awareness/TV ratings (I don't watch tennis but I can name more current tennis players on the Women's circuit then the Men's). The LPGA has been around for years and has a dedicated, niche following. Not being as commercially successful as the men doesn't equate to being unsuccessful. There are scenarios where the WNBA is never as popular as the NBA but is still healthy and successful.



Now the WNBA has definitely struggled throughout its history and needs to grow their following. Potentially being incorporated into 2K is a good idea for them. It wouldn't surprise me if the NBA gave 2K some incentives to include the WNBA as it would be in their interest to do so. You have a product that will be bought/played by millions of basketball fans around the world. Having any kind of WNBA presence to help grow awareness of the league and its stars could be a big boone for the league. How much can it actually move the needle for the WNBA? Who knows. But for 2K, even if they aren't getting incentives from the NBA, they're still adding something that their competitor already offers and opening up representation for 50% of the human population. There's no downside for 2K.



Lastly, I just wanted to say that all of this is assuming they have some kind of WNBA mode and/or female MyPlayer options. We're making a lot of speculation off of a single tweet. It'll be interesting to see the official announcement from 2K later on.

It hasn’t worked the past 20 years and how many women play 2k? This most likely has more to do with esports/pro am/park.

The nba will be in a labour dispute with the WNBA very soon after years of bailing them out. You guys need to stop talking about growth when the past 20 years says otherwise.

Half this thread supports them through their keyboard and don’t speak form woman.

[SmashMan]

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Dudes throwing out the term misogyny are hilarious and clearly don’t care for women’s basketballs they’re here being social justice warriors.

Imagine being a guy who thinks that supporting the idea of 2K providing options for a variety of players is a bad thing.

[GisherJohn24]

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NO OFFENSE, i don't want WNBA, I want to have a next gen Jordan Challenge mode!

[Pokes404]

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You guys don’t understand business and how the WNBA has been a failed business venture for a while now.

Adding has zero to do with business they won’t find new fans otherwise that theory would have worked for the WNBA long ago. Women don’t support it and why be would they it’s a mediocre product.

Like I said if they ever want succeeds in the WNBA separate from the nba and let it grow organically..play in smaller venues.

Dudes throwing out the term misogyny are hilarious and clearly don’t care for women’s basketballs they’re here being social justice warriors.

I wonder how they’ll add females to pro am and How that would work out gameplay wise.

- So adding the WNBA into 2K for the first time ever won't matter at all because it would have worked years ago before they actually did it? You're going to have to explain that one to me.



- I don't watch the G-League or Euroleague either, but I think they would be worthwhile additions for 2K even if I personally wouldn't get much use out of them. I'd be happy for the people who would use those teams/players. I guess since I have that same stance about the WNBA I'm an SJW? Am I only allowed to understand the reasoning for including something if I'm a fan of the product? Can I not be happy for the people who will use something if I'm not planning on using it too?



The reason the word misogyny has gotten thrown around at all in this thread is that some people feel that it isn't enough to basically state, "I won't use this feature at all and I wish they were spending that time/money on features X, Y, and Z." We've gotten things like:


"I hope people enjoy giving the 60 OVRs a run for their money." (I guarantee making a female MyPlayer [if 2K even makes that an option, we don't know yet] isn't going to limit your player's OVR cap)



"Females would probably just want to play Barbie in the Neighborhood." (or maybe they'd be excited about being able to finally creates themselves in the game and go ball)



"2K should focus on what basketball fans want." (women are fans of basketball too)


"The only way the WNBA will succeed is to turn it into Hooters." (no comment needed)



It's perfectly fine to not be a fan of the WNBA and not be excited that they are spending resources on some kind of WNBA integration in 2K. But if you're really being honest, I think you'd agree that some of the responses in this thread have gone beyond that topic and ventured into gray area that just isn't necessary.

NO OFFENSE, i don't want WNBA, I want to have a next gen Jordan Challenge mode!

This right here is a perfectly reasonable expression of an opinion that doesn't feel the need to get into the aforementioned gray area.

[exposedaking]

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I think it's more about inclusion than it is about how popular the brand is.

While we're at it, let's get women refs in and Becky hammon in as assistant/head coach


I just hope it's well implemented.

With all that said I still rather have Big3 mode.



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[Keith01]

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You've gotten very close to crossing the TOS on several occasions and the post he quoted was actually across the line regarding politics which cannot be discussed here so I would recommend leaving that alone going forward.

Hi kehlis. So what you're saying is someone who references politics / culture / society = against TOS = banned? Really? Everything I've referenced is is directly related to the topic... WNBA + 2K. Some apparently just don't agree with my opinion. There's nothing degrading about referencing the realities of things.

[kehlis]

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Hi kehlis. So what you're saying is someone who references politics / culture / society = against TOS = banned? Really? Everything I've referenced is is directly related to the topic... WNBA + 2K. Some apparently just don't agree with my opinion. There's nothing degrading about referencing the realities of things.

It could, would generally offer a warning as I did but it can.

From the TOS:

Drug/Political/Racial/Religious/Sexual Related Talk
There are to be NO racial, political, religious, drug related or sexual talk or attacks at Operation Sports. We have a multitude of posters here, and not everyone shares the same views on life as you. To minimize issues between posters, none of these topics will be tolerated on the boards.

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/steves-forum/638609-operation-sports-terms-service.html

[Keith01]

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I think it's you who needs to learn the difference between the words "truth" and "opinion." Asserting that the only way the WNBA would take off is to "turn it into Hooters" is an opinion, not a fact.

When did I say everything I say is 'fact'? That's your words. I'm simply referencing that women's sports in America doesn't sell and that in business, sex sells, unless it's something like gymnastics, figure skating, tennis, etc. The WNBA has been around for 20 yrs and still hasn't flourished. So why would a game based off of their players. Which is why I said, at most they should do is a 'legends' teams or myplayer creation ability. The most popular sports will always be men dominated because they are biologically the better athletes. That's just scientific fact. Also you'd have to be blind to not see that sex sells in business. It's all over marketing, etc. It's like you people are scared to admit the obvious truths because it's not PC or some trendy women's agenda of the day lol.

[Keith01]

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It could, would generally offer a warning as I did but it can.

From the TOS:



https://forums.operationsports.com/f...s-service.html

So what did I say that's political that couldn't be construed as related to the topic? If I was like "yay go 2K! women's rights! inclusion!" (a positive tone yet still political), you'd be giving me a warning?

[kehlis]

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So what did I say that's political that couldn't be construed as related to the topic? If I was like "yay go 2K! women's rights! inclusion!" (a positive tone yet still political), you'd be giving me a warning?

Actually, the literal comment of blue versus red was where you crossed the line politically. Leave it at that and call it a day or use that as the sword to die on and be banned again for what, the fourth time?

[Keith01]

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Imagine being a guy who thinks that supporting the idea of 2K providing options for a variety of players is a bad thing.

Yeah for all 100 of those fans. Good ROI 2K. While Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley - ya know, ACTUAL NBA legends - sit on the sidelines 'cause 2K doesn't have enough "funds". Yet they'll put man hours and money towards this. The WNBA rosters will fail. Euroleague rosters failed and that's more popular than the WNBA. If it's myplayer, we'll see. Just don't wanna hear anyone who supports this cry in 2k20 about "sim" after they see a 5'10 female baller doing a 360 between the legs dunk in pro-am

[Keith01]

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Actually, the literal comment of blue versus red was where you crossed the line politically. Leave it at that and call it a day or use that as the sword to die on and be banned again for what, the fourth time?

"Funny there's less blue vs red when people trying to earn green". ?? So let's be clear here, because you're setting a precedent here at OS on what you allow... I'm getting a warning because I made a BUSINESS reference, that "(In Business) there's less blue vs red when people trying to earn green". Which is to say, that it's funny how if money is on the line, people don't care so much about being PC or their affiliation, they care more about profits. Ok then.

[TheShizNo1]

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I think you're missing that the context doesn't matter.

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[ksuttonjr76]

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I think it's more about inclusion than it is about how popular the brand is.

While we're at it, let's get women refs in and Becky hammon in as assistant/head coach


I just hope it's well implemented.

With all that said I still rather have Big3 mode.



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Ooooooooo....I would play a Big3 mode. I actually starting watching the games during the summer.

[SmashMan]

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Yeah for all 100 of those fans. Good ROI 2K. While Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley - ya know, ACTUAL NBA legends - sit on the sidelines 'cause 2K doesn't have enough "funds". Yet they'll put man hours and money towards this.

It's probably more likely that if they meet whatever demands Reggie and Barkley have it opens the door for more players to change their signing terms when it comes time to re-up with them, which inevitably leads to us losing some classic and legendary players in future games.

Seems like that would be a bad business decision.