Will NBA 2K20 fix defensive sliding?

[DC]

Re: Will NBA 2K20 fix defensive sliding?

We will find out when you find out.

[alabamarob]

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That's my experience too but I haven't played that much online if at all. I find on ball defense way too strong. Arob wich sliders should I lower for both CPU and USER to make it more realistic?

I still see you from times to times blowing out users with your Hawks.

I uploaded a very good slider set. Under my psn. Changed movement to 99/1. Changed acceleration to 30 or 35. Lowered onball. Lowered jumpshot defense strength to 44 on release and takeoff.

[zrohman]

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I played myleague and Play Friends HOF. The defense to me was OP. I only used the Hawks and I had a top flight defense all year. The defensive ratings of my players are low, and I am an average defender at best. The fact that I could lock down with the Hawks was slightly disappointing. Kevin Huerter, Trae Young and Taurean Prince shouldn't ever be a part of a top defense in any world.

This topic isn't about the defense being overpowered or not. It is about defensive movement and sliding.

If defense feels overpowered you don't just make movement impossible, sadly that has been the 2k go to move.

You can be responsive and still allow the offensive player to win. If he is stronger allow his strength to take over. If he is faster, he should naturally go quicker, etc. Don't just make defensive movement harder.

I'll say it again. If you play Madden you go left you go left, you can quickly move right. In 2k you can't change directions quickly, and movement is horrendous on defense.

Just fix defensive movement and find new ways to bring better offense.

[alabamarob]

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This topic isn't about the defense being overpowered or not. It is about defensive movement and sliding.

If defense feels overpowered you don't just make movement impossible, sadly that has been the 2k go to move.

You can be responsive and still allow the offensive player to win. If he is stronger allow his strength to take over. If he is faster, he should naturally go quicker, etc. Don't just make defensive movement harder.

I'll say it again. If you play Madden you go left you go left, you can quickly move right. In 2k you can't change directions quickly, and movement is horrendous on defense.

Just fix defensive movement and find new ways to bring better offense.

I get your point, but I like the feeling of momentum and inertia. I don't want the offensive or defensive player movement to be instant. I like a little weight shifting, delay or reaction time on both ends. Imo.

[alabamarob]

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Players also still slide into position when receiving passes without moving their feet. I've been harping on this for years! It's my biggest pet peeve with the game. I really hope they address foot planting across the board!

I hate this. It is a big reason why Paint defense is trash. Players still tethered to catching those passes. Hurts the game on both sides of the court. Please fix this.

[ataman5]

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Apparently it is still there for NBA 2K20. From what we've seen in a twitter gif made by Steve OS about ninja headbands. You may check his tweet to see if we're going to be playing NHL or NBA.

[El_Poopador]

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I get your point, but I like the feeling of momentum and inertia. I don't want the offensive or defensive player movement to be instant. I like a little weight shifting, delay or reaction time on both ends. Imo.

Of course momentum should be a thing, but that's not implemented in 2K either. It's not that the player's momentum stops them from changing directions quickly. Rather, it's more of a responsiveness issue coupled with a lack of proper transition animations. If you try to make a subtle move one way, then quickly back the other way, you would expect to just plant your foot and and be able to do that. In 2K, that footplanting animation isn't really there (or doesn't trigger properly), and you instead have to take 2-3 steps before sliding into another animation to move you the other way.

If they could actually have proper footplanting and physics/momentum for players, they could also eliminate the forced ankle breakers as well. An ankle breaker should never trigger from what the ball handler is doing; it should always be based on the input of the defender.

[The 24th Letter]

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Of course momentum should be a thing, but that's not implemented in 2K either. It's not that the player's momentum stops them from changing directions quickly. Rather, it's more of a responsiveness issue coupled with a lack of proper transition animations. If you try to make a subtle move one way, then quickly back the other way, you would expect to just plant your foot and and be able to do that. In 2K, that footplanting animation isn't really there (or doesn't trigger properly), and you instead have to take 2-3 steps before sliding into another animation to move you the other way.

If they could actually have proper footplanting and physics/momentum for players, they could also eliminate the forced ankle breakers as well. An ankle breaker should never trigger from what the ball handler is doing; it should always be based on the input of the defender.

I get the idea behind why guy's view footplanting as important...and it is to an extent. In theory, it should create scenarios where the proper positioning would always win out...but to me, if every single toe taps on the court and momentum isn't respected...then it's not really that beneficial IMO, other than to look at. I've seen far too often great footplanting ultimately overruled by 'stick' animations when it's all said and done. In a perfect world it'd cover both these aspects...Again, 2K16 is the game I feel that balanced this best...I could literally use the defenders feet against them and make snap decisions-

https://streamable.com/dyq6f

[alabamarob]

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I get the idea behind why guy's view footplanting as important...and it is to an extent. In theory, it should create scenarios where the proper positioning would always win out...but to me, if every single toe taps on the court and momentum isn't respected...then it's not really that beneficial IMO, other than to look at. I've seen far too often great footplanting ultimately overruled by 'stick' animations when it's all said and done. In a perfect world it'd cover both these aspects...Again, 2K16 is the game I feel that balanced this best...I could literally use the defenders feet against them and make snap decisions-

https://streamable.com/dyq6f

Yep.Rather have sliding then no momentum. I have never been a fan of total control in player movement. Imo thats not how real life works.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I get the idea behind why guy's view footplanting as important...and it is to an extent. In theory, it should create scenarios where the proper positioning would always win out...but to me, if every single toe taps on the court and momentum isn't respected...then it's not really that beneficial IMO, other than to look at. I've seen far too often great footplanting ultimately overruled by 'stick' animations when it's all said and done. In a perfect world it'd cover both these aspects...Again, 2K16 is the game I feel that balanced this best...I could literally use the defenders feet against them and make snap decisions-

https://streamable.com/dyq6f

I'm going to let you slide with the Pacers clip . You didn't have to do Hill and Ellis like that, lol.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I played myleague and Play Friends HOF. The defense to me was OP. I only used the Hawks and I had a top flight defense all year. The defensive ratings of my players are low, and I am an average defender at best. The fact that I could lock down with the Hawks was slightly disappointing. Kevin Huerter, Trae Young and Taurean Prince shouldn't ever be a part of a top defense in any world.

Not to call you out, but I feel like that should be kinda expected on HOF. If you "dumb down" defense in offline HOF, then the trickle down effect will make offense stupid easy in the online modes.

[alabamarob]

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Not to call you out, but I feel like that should be kinda expected on HOF. If you "dumb down" defense in offline HOF, then the trickle down effect will make offense stupid easy in the online modes.

Never any offense taking. We all want a better game.

[Vni]

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I uploaded a very good slider set. Under my psn. Changed movement to 99/1. Changed acceleration to 30 or 35. Lowered onball. Lowered jumpshot defense strength to 44 on release and takeoff.

Hey Rob I'am on PC. But I'll adjust based on what you said.

[alabamarob]

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Hey Rob I'am on PC. But I'll adjust based on what you said.

I will post a picture of the sliders

[lvnba]

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I found the defensive system of NBA2k19 disgusting. Not only there was a lot of sliding, but you have all these USELESS big men in real life being able to stop quick guards with their hip or sliding.

I'm talking PvP, not playing vs CPU. For example, I could use Kanter to stop players like Curry or Irving, when that would be murder every time in real life.

I hope they can get this fixed without making offense OP as previous years with the "blow-by" animation.