2k20 needs to improve the help defense

[Kushmir]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

Rob don't forget to add this to the Developer Feedback thread.

[keshunleon]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

I will gap none shooting bigs and they can be at the top of the key but as soon as the pass goes to them the CPU defender runs close to him.
Which will leave a passing lane, I'll switch to him and pull him back only to have the CPU guarding the cutter to glitch/pause freeing an easy cut to the hoop..
Then the CPU will pass the ball near me, through me, or around me for an easy layup.

IRL it would be intercepted because the defender is in the passing lane but the CPU knows the user can't steal the passes. Even if I attempt to steal it my defender will reach no where near the ball.

2K had it if the user defender was in the passing lane it would automatically intercept the pass without the user pressing the button (need to bring that back).

The lanes are wide open even when players are gapped and there is little to no rotation although rotate is the set defense.

[Optimus James]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

The problem with double on drive is that they will double out on the perimeter. So a player will be dribbling beyond the 3, and the help will come. Leaving a wide open shot. They wont wait until he starts actually moving closer to the rim. I wish double on drive would require the help to come once he drives within 15 feet.

This.

Since 2k16, they will double players who are standing in a triple threat position, when its only supposed to come on the drive.

I can live with a kickout three off penetration beating me but, not a wide open shot off a basket cut...

[MasonOS95]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

I found the best way so far is to do what the raptors did in the playoffs and have marc gasol basically sit in the paint all game

[jk31]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

help defense is so Bad. you have a "help and rotation" and "help and no rotation" setting in the option, though 1. Not even the first help is working Most of the Times and 2. There is basically no difference between help and rotation and help and no rotation. the 2nd help is Not existent in this game. the AI just does Not Know how to rotate after the first help.

besides, in my opinion everyone should help/rotate on drives.only if someone is Set up to defejd someone deny, they should be excluded from help rotation. gap/moderate/tight should All Play helpside when someone is beaten.

[Kushmir]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

This , really really illustrates why alot of guys will occupy the center on D....so much of being good at 2K is knowing how to mitigate the AI miscues.

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[Find_the_Door]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

Stay attached setting significantly impacts help defense.

If you have it set to yes for all then the bigs will never help regardless of hedge settings etc.

It feel like that's a flaw though - if I catch hedge they should show on help and stop the drive then revert back to covering the shooter.

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[Kushmir]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

This post can't EVER leave the front page....Rob you add it to the Dev Feedback thread yet? I think i've found the culprit for the excessive offensive rebounds too.

Look at Embiid here--the same will probably be true of your bigs...they're playing their assignments too tight to get rebounds. And the fact that Harden's idle/being crowded and still hits is a HUGE issue, but the bigger one is why Embiid would leave the paint to go track Capela? WOW.

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[alabamarob]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

This post can't EVER leave the front page....Rob you add it to the Dev Feedback thread yet? I think i've found the culprit for the excessive offensive rebounds too.

Look at Embiid here--the same will probably be true of your bigs...they're playing their assignments too tight to get rebounds. And the fact that Harden's idle/being crowded and still hits is a HUGE issue, but the bigger one is why Embiid would leave the paint to go track Capela? WOW.

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I haven't done that yet. But you are correct, I think everyone plays there assignment to tight. I you call for Gap your guys should have one foot in the paint everytime. As opposed to having their back turned to the drive and rebounds.

[Dione2014]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

Yeah the help is just... idk man. Really hard to get lobs up to capela from harden sometimes because 1. His man hardly ever steps up to contest the driver. 2. The help does come off capela... but Clint is moving away from the attacker making an oop or feed in the pain inpossible.

I read a thread last year about zone usage in 2k19. It fixed a lot of the help problems I had in that game. Here it goes

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=955333

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[devroyce]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

Yeah the help is just... idk man. Really hard to get lobs up to capela from harden sometimes because 1. His man hardly ever steps up to contest the driver. 2. The help does come off capela... but Clint is moving away from the attacker making an oop or feed in the pain inpossible.

I read a thread last year about zone usage in 2k19. It fixed a lot of the help problems I had in that game. Here it goes

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=955333

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For 2K20 I ended up going with these together:

Coaching Sliders
Help Defense: 99
Zone Usage Frequency: 99

[joe656x]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

The same thing happens when playing against CPU. Players seem to be way faster than everyone else when in transition. I played against Atlanta and Trey Young made like 15 fast-break layups. You can't stop them.

[Mortiis]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

what happens if i raise up slider



layup defense strenght (takeoff)
layup defense strenght (release)


???


they are both 55 (hof default) for user...but i wonder why is cpu default 45...shouldnt be higher then for user cuz this is like maximum difficulty

[alabamarob]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

what happens if i raise up slider



layup defense strenght (takeoff)
layup defense strenght (release)


???


they are both 55 (hof default) for user...but i wonder why is cpu default 45...shouldnt be higher then for user cuz this is like maximum difficulty

55 means harder to make a contested layup. Its defense strength against

[Mortiis]

Re: 2k20 needs to improve the help defense

are u sure about this?
should i then increase it to 60-65? so that layups are even harder to make ?