2k20 needs to improve the help defense

[alabamarob]

The Bigs in 2k20 guard their man way to tight off ball and this leads to excessive pip and unrealistic 1 on 1 defensive battles. Even when they are in Gap off ball they are often 15 to 20 feet away from the goal and are not in position to protect the rim.

2k really needs to have an individual off ball defensive setting called boxes and elbows where the individual defensive player never leaves beyond the boxes and elbows to deter drives to the rim. Its currently a setting to defend an offensive player, but it needs to be a setting you can place a particular defender in.


If I want Gobet to just hang around the rim on defense it should be an option.


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[Comduklakis]

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All of sudden (the last two days) I'm having a terrible time with my guys not getting back and picking up the wrong men.

2k has never been fabulous about stopping transition but I'm talking after made baskets even I'm trying to switch guys to pick up the ball and time and time again I've got an opponent running down the middle of the lane and catching an easy lead pass for a layup or dunk. And in transition they seem very confused on the basics of getting back and blocking the lane. I've seen my guys run out to guard the corner 3 while the ball is in the middle of the court. They WERE supposed to stop the ball and instead leave the lane wide open and head to guard someone else.

Not sure if I'm just noticing this now and it's been happening all along, if my team is tired and the other squad is just beating us to every spot (it would be nice if I could see their fatigue level to compare) or if something changed in the game.

I wish their was a setting that said "get the hell back and don't let people run down the middle of the lane."

So is their a setting I am missing? Bad luck? Changes in the game that others are noticing? I'd take responsibility if I felt like I was taking bad shots and this led to long rebounds or my guys out of position to get back. But this isn't that. This is happening on made baskets. It's happening when my guys should be back and just make very poor choices. And when I try to switch to someone near the middle and stop the ball, it keeps switching me to other defenders instead and I watch helplessly as AGAIN the go down the lane with little to no opposition.

[Mortiis]

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me and some friends started to test my league online yesterday
we put difficulty on SUPERSTAR, and game speed on 45 (lower it a little bit)
i had trae young and ja morant in my team, and every time i was dribling on the court i've just hit R2 button for speed and i have instantly pass my defender by and scored an easy lay up...i've done at least 20 times in one game (maybe even 25-30 times...)...it was disaster...
every time i was running fast paced offensive plays the same happened i was just holding R2 button and i was passing my defenders like they are not even ther! it was hilarious.....
like 2k removed that invisible force that defenders used to have so it was harder for offensive players to blow by....


anyone else noticed this?

[JoFri]

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Rob, I know u are running the hawks in the clips. Are yor opponents online or offline? If online, is defensive Ace on and if it is off then what is the dedensive setting the user had on eg. Trae, Kevin?
For offline myleague, one of the ways I overcome the AI defensive issues is to setup the defensive assignments before the game starts under the coach setting menu eg. Double team when drive. It works to a certain extent for the cpu.


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[JoFri]

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So I'll sag off Damian Jones, set leave him, and double team on drive for Trae. I believe the cpu will send McGee or Cousins to double team Trae when he drives.
The reason the bigs are not sagging off Parsons (25?) and Len (25?) could be due to their 3pt threat. That McGee clip - just smh. Who's no. 5?



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[testorz]

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If I'm playing a team with a C who can shoot from distance I'll stay close but if I am playing against a team with a C or PF who can't shoot from distance, I'll set my C and PF to rotate over on drives, etc. usually I control the C if I play against a C who can shoot from distance

[Kushmir]

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Good post. I liked this play because its a good example of beat position having a high foul outcome--even with Ben being 6'10" and a good defender. But to your point Embiid should prioritize the paint here, that's literally the shot we want from Harrell:

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Its only a good shot because Embiid leaves. This would help out with the help defenders in good position for Charges as well.

[alabamarob]

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So I'll sag off Damian Jones, set leave him, and double team on drive for Trae. I believe the cpu will send McGee or Cousins to double team Trae when he drives.
The reason the bigs are not sagging off Parsons (25?) and Len (25?) could be due to their 3pt threat. That McGee clip - just smh. Who's no. 5?



I have clips of Bruno Fernando being hugged at the 3 pt line. If you put a big at the top of the 3, his man will stand above the ft line even if you have him in gap.

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Rob, I know u are running the hawks in the clips. Are yor opponents online or offline? If online, is defensive Ace on and if it is off then what is the dedensive setting the user had on eg. Trae, Kevin?
For offline myleague, one of the ways I overcome the AI defensive issues is to setup the defensive assignments before the game starts under the coach setting menu eg. Double team when drive. It works to a certain extent for the cpu.


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The problem with double on drive is that they will double out on the perimeter. So a player will be dribbling beyond the 3, and the help will come. Leaving a wide open shot. They wont wait until he starts actually moving closer to the rim. I wish double on drive would require the help to come once he drives within 15 feet.

[JoFri]

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The problem with double on drive is that they will double out on the perimeter. So a player will be dribbling beyond the 3, and the help will come. Leaving a wide open shot. They wont wait until he starts actually moving closer to the rim. I wish double on drive would require the help to come once he drives within 15 feet.

I dont know man but when I drove with Harden into the paint the cpu would leave Capela at the corner and help to cover the paint. I had the cpu team set 'help on drive' on Harden and gap on Capela. It works for me.


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[The 24th Letter]

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Seeing defenders stay stationary or sometimes literally run away from a driving opponent drive me crazy.

The mentality should always be to sell out to protect the rim. The offline guys who complain about the lack of a drive and kick game, this is a big part of it as well.

[Kushmir]

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Seeing defenders stay stationary or sometimes literally run away from a driving opponent drive me crazy.

No Kidding. Its time for us to have real dialogue about more options (or ones that work) for directing our AI teammates and having them DO it. We face the classic dilemma of only being able to control one guy--so the more they follow our directives the better.

This would also lower user frustration with their actions.

Example: IMO Conservative D should have strengths and weaknesses--one of them being defenders focusing on position defense over blocks and steals. The downside would be less deflections, Steals and Blocks and being vulnerable to pull-ups since they're essentially waiting for the defender to come to them. This setting would also give up more offensive rebounds.

Aggressive Defense (much more accurate than PHYSICAL) would have them prioritize Blocks, Steals and Deflections out of bounds. Of course this would come with more fouls and vulnerability to pump-fakes--loose ball fouls too.

A deeper game would let us specify this for each player (I'd want Embiid to be Conservative for instance while for Ben i'd select Aggressive) but this part of the game needs to be fleshed out first. This is from my last game, Embiid prioritizes the block instead of crashing down on the block waiting for the charge here--sure, the basket didn't count but the interaction was an eyesore:

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Harden literally turbos from past the 3pt line to the rim. I can't leave Green--these is the geneis of why we need the AI to be competent. Mistakes we try to fix open big holes other places.

[alabamarob]

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Seeing defenders stay stationary or sometimes literally run away from a driving opponent drive me crazy.

The mentality should always be to sell out to protect the rim. The offline guys who complain about the lack of a drive and kick game, this is a big part of it as well.

Agreed. Same thing vs the cpu. They sit on their man, and leave there own defenders in 1 on 1s. The pnr help defense is way better then on direct drives. On pnrs you will see the cpu bring help and rotate, but not on a drive most times.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Agreed. Same thing vs the cpu. They sit on their man, and leave there own defenders in 1 on 1s. The pnr help defense is way better then on direct drives. On pnrs you will see the cpu bring help and rotate, but not on a drive most times.

Excellent point. And with the open movement, it can be a lay up line at times.

[Comduklakis]

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Excellent point. And with the open movement, it can be a lay up line at times.

And is. I'm really struggling all of a sudden on D. For some reason the other teams are all now playing race horse basketball on me. This has been the Jazz, Pacers, Kings, and Cavs. I tried adjusting a myriad of settings but every game teams are just racing down the court and going straight to the basket over and over. No plays, no strategy, just me frantically trying to get back while my AI teammates make horrible decisions on who to guard, don't do job one, which is get back to the paint, and consistently get outrun.

And then when I do get a more set offense coming at me, the guys like Fox and Conley get a slight angle on my PG and next thing you know they are flying towards a layup with not a teammate in sight to help. I had my guys sagging of Gobert, off Conley, anything to try and keep them out of the lane. And when it wasn't Conley it was Mitchell. I was literally checking replays after every made basket to see where it went wrong. Was it my fault? Was it another poor choice by my AI teammates?

I know I should be willing to set all the defensive settings on each player on the other team and all that. I get that. I'm a bad sim player. But you would think that you could get some basic logic out of the D with the Auto settings.

In real basketball guys get angles all the time. It's extremely hard to keep your opponent in front of you. Which is why defenses are constantly cheating over to help, rotating fast, etc. But in 2k, the dribbler can get the angle on his defender but most of the time no one is rotating over, no one is helping and certainly no one is trying to protect the lane.

I don't how many times I saw one of my bigs make a silly poke at the ball on a PnR then try to turn and follow the screen setter who is now rolling towards the hoop, 2 steps ahead of my big, with of course, no rotating help in sight to block the lane. That's with guys like Stephen Adams and Aaron Baynes, who are hardly masters of the steal and with defensive settings of conservative so as to NOT attempt silly steals like that.

[GudStuffzz]

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Yeah the bigs are driving me crazy as time goes on. I lost count of how many times they don't rotate, get out of position in pick and rolls, and just hug non shooting centers at the 3 point line. Guarding anyone with blow by speed on HOF is damn near impossible because its a layup line as soon as they get past the initial man defender.