Individual Tendencies

[Nathan_OS]

After getting frustrated with players just attacking the rim relentlessly, here’s my question.

Is it that difficult for the guys at 2K HQs to go ahead and edit everyone’s tendency. I think it’s half assed that they released the game without getting everyone’s tendencies right. And they’ve been doing it for years.

C’mon hahahaaaa. And this is just an offline player complaining lol


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[howardphillips214]

Re: Individual Tendencies

Tendencies are the worst theyve ever been, IMO. Westbrook takes nothing but leaning 3s. Rondo is shooting the lights out. Luka has a step back 3 tendency of 0. And Kristaps hardly ever posts up and refuses to shoot wide open jumpers. Of course players like LeBron and KD will play normal, but if youre not a top 5 superstar they play completely out of character. And unfortunately I'm a My Career player so if they DO fix these issues i would have to completely restart my character.

[Comduklakis]

Re: Individual Tendencies

They could do a lot better on tendencies. That said roster making is difficult. I can only imagine trying to test players out while code is being changed, new features added, new badges, ratings taken out, etc. They also don't have the updated motion captures until late in the process.

I'm not defending certain tendencies mind you. There are ratings that are obviously just terrible. Siakam is just a total collection of garbage in his tendencies, across the board. I've discovered several bigs with high 3 point tendencies who can't actually shoot 3s. So there is certainly room for improvement. But balancing building the new game, waiting for new code, new players, new motion captures, combined with time to test out rosters can't be easy. Based on some of the ratings and tendencies that never changes, it seems they don't get even get to (or choose not to) changing some players. They stay the same year to year even if their playing style and skills change.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Individual Tendencies

Are there specific examples?

One of the challenges of editing Tendencies is there's a lot of misinformation out there regarding them.

It's one thing to say "Porzingis never posts up or shoots". What specific tendencies do you think need to be adjusted in order to change that?

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Individual Tendencies

As an example some shooting bigs are set to always roll rather than pop.


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[howardphillips214]

Re: Individual Tendencies

Are there specific examples?

One of the challenges of editing Tendencies is there's a lot of misinformation out there regarding them.

It's one thing to say "Porzingis never posts up or shoots". What specific tendencies do you think need to be adjusted in order to change that?

Luka Doncic has a step back 3 tendency rating of 0.

I dont know many other tendencies off the top of my head but this is the second year they missed this.

No one besides Harden took more stepbacks.

I literally see him pull 5-6 a game from mid and from deep and that was Preseason.

Sure, he'll shoot a leaner or a floater. But he wont break someone running at full speed and bury a midrange J while they're stumbling.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Individual Tendencies

As an example some shooting bigs are set to always roll rather than pop.

Which shooting bigs? I don't see this AT ALL. SPECIFICITY is important for the dev team to handle issues.

Roll vs Pop Tendency
20 Horford / 75 Embiid
75 Giannis / 50 Lopez
20 Markkanen / 20 Carter
40 Love / 99 Thompson
20 Hayward / 55 Theis (75 Kanter)
20 Green / 99 Zubac (99 Harrell)
55 Crowder / 40 Jackson (99 Jonas)
75 Collins / 99 Len
20 Olynyk / 99 Bam
99 Washington / 75 Zeller
0 Green / 99 Gobert
20 Bagley / 99 Dedmon
25 Randle / 25 Robinson
75 Davis / 99 McGee (99 Howard)
55 Isaac / 75 Vucevic
25 Porzingis / 24 Kleber (99 Boban)
0 Prince / 99 Jordan (75 Allen)
25 Millsap / 25 Jokic (99 Plumlee)
20 Sabonis / 20 Turner
75 Zion / 99 Favors
25 Griffin / 99 Drummond
99 Siakam / 20 Gasol (40 Ibaka)
0 Tucker / 99 Capela (99 Chandler, 99 Nene)
0 Gay / 75 Aldridge
20 Saric / 80 Ayton
0 Gallinari / 99 Adams (99 Noel)
0 Covington / 55 Towns
20 Collins / 99 Nurkic (99 Whiteside)
25 Green / 99 WCS (20 Looney)
20 Bertans /20 Bryant (20 Hachimura)

Which of these players needs adjusting?
(The standouts to me are Mitchell Robinson should have the 99, while DeWayne Dedmon should have the 25)

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Individual Tendencies

Using the NBA's Roll Man data, here are the differences between FG% and eFG% (i.e. higher% = more threes).

20 Horford (4.9%) / 75 Embiid (4.1%)
75 Giannis (0.7%) / 50 B.Lopez (7.5%)
20 Markkanen (11.7%) / 20 Carter (1.5%)
40 Love (5.8%) / 99 Thompson (0%)
20 Hayward (N/A) / 55 Theis (5.5%) / 75 Kanter (2.0%)
20 Green (13.3%) / 99 Zubac (0%) / 99 Harrell (0.3%)
55 Crowder (9.1%) / 40 Jackson (3.0%) / 99 Jonas (2.5%)
75 Collins (0.9%) / 99 Len (4.8%)
20 Olynyk (10.4%) / 99 Bam (0%)
99 Washington (Rookie) / 75 Zeller (1.1%)
0 Green (12.4%) / 99 Gobert (0%)
20 Bagley (4.1%) / 99 Dedmon (5.9%)
25 Randle (1.8%) / 25 Robinson (0%)
75 Davis (2.3%) / 99 McGee (0.4%) / 99 Howard (0%)
55 Isaac (4.4%) / 75 Vucevic (4.3%)
25 Porzingis (8.0%) / 24 Kleber (9.3%) / 99 Boban (0%)
0 Prince (N/A) / 99 Jordan (0%) / 75 Allen (0%)
25 Millsap (12.9%) / 25 Jokic (6.8%) / 99 Plumlee (0%)
20 Sabonis (1.0%) / 20 Turner (4.4%)
75 Zion (Rookie) / 99 Favors (0%)
25 Griffin (11.9%) / 99 Drummond (0%)
99 Siakam (0.9%) / 20 Gasol (6.4%) / 40 Ibaka (1.3%)
0 Tucker (10.3%) / 99 Capela (0%) / 99 Chandler (0%) / 99 Nene (0%)
0 Gay (3.1%) / 75 Aldridge (0.9%)
20 Saric (15.4%) / 80 Ayton (0%)
0 Gallinari (14.4%) / 99 Adams (0%) / 99 Noel (0%)
0 Covington (N/A) / 55 Towns (9.9%)
20 Collins (9.2%) / 99 Nurkic (0%) / 99 Whiteside (0.3%)
25 Green (6.8%) / 99 WCS (0%) / 20 Looney (0%)
20 Bertans (16.6%) /20 Bryant (2.5%) / 20 Hachimura (Rookie)

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Individual Tendencies

If we take the above and create this simple formula

100 - (10)eFG% diff%, then round to nearest 5,

does this generate data that users are happier with? (Bear in mind, this is without any respect to how the tendency ACTUALLY works in game). As well as not factoring in that players like Blake Griffin, Paul Millsap, and Karl Towns DO roll to the hoop they're just ALSO gifted shooters.

50 Horford (4.9%) / 60 Embiid (4.1%)
95 Giannis (0.7%) / 25 B.Lopez (7.5%)
0 Markkanen (11.7%) / 85 Carter (1.5%
40 Love (5.8%) / 99 Thompson (0%)
0 Hayward (N/A) / 45 Theis (5.5%) / 80 Kanter (2.0%)
0 Green (13.3%) / 99 Zubac (0%) / 99 Harrell (0.3%)
10 Crowder (9.1%) / 70 Jackson (3.0%) / 75 Jonas (2.5%)
90 Collins (0.9%) / 50 Len (4.8%)
0 Olynyk (10.4%) / 99 Bam (0%)
75 Washington (Rookie) / 90 Zeller (1.1%)
0 Green (12.4%) / 99 Gobert (0%)
60 Bagley (4.1%) / 40 Dedmon (5.9%)
80 Randle (1.8%) / 99 Robinson (0%)
75 Davis (2.3%) / 99 McGee (0.4%) / 99 Howard (0%)
55 Isaac (4.4%) / 55 Vucevic (4.3%)
20 Porzingis (8.0%) / 5 Kleber (9.3%) / 99 Boban (0%)
0 Prince (N/A) / 99 Jordan (0%) / 99 Allen (0%)
0 Millsap (12.9%) / 30 Jokic (6.8%) / 99 Plumlee (0%)
90 Sabonis (1.0%) / 55 Turner (4.4%)
75 Zion (Rookie) / 99 Favors (0%)
0 Griffin (11.9%) / 99 Drummond (0%)
90 Siakam (0.9%) / 35 Gasol (6.4%) / 85 Ibaka (1.3%)
0 Tucker (10.3%) / 99 Capela (0%) / 99 Chandler (0%) / 99 Nene (0%)
70 Gay (3.1%) / 90 Aldridge (0.9%)
0 Saric (15.4%) / 99 Ayton (0%)
0 Gallinari (14.4%) / 99 Adams (0%) / 99 Noel (0%)
0 Covington (N/A) / 0 Towns (9.9%)
10 Collins (9.2%) / 99 Nurkic (0%) / 95 Whiteside (0.3%)
30 Green (6.8%) / 99 WCS (0%) / 99 Looney (0%)
0 Bertans (16.6%) / 75 Bryant (2.5%) / 25 Hachimura (Rookie)

[Nathan_OS]

Re: Individual Tendencies

That is definitely one way to brake things down, but I can promise you that all made more sense to you than it did to me lol

Rashidi, without getting into the nitty gritty of tendencies like you have, I'll just say this:

Certain players just shouldn't be doing certain things. I had a game where Lebron shot 3 floaters. Had another game where James Harden took about 4 spin layups. Things that they would never do. It seems that some of the tendencies in 2K20 and past 2K's, have been random af. But I am not a roster editor and I'm thinking you have more experience with the rosters than I do so please let me know what you think.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Individual Tendencies

I just edit them to zero.


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[RyanFitzmagic]

Re: Individual Tendencies

Certain players just shouldn't be doing certain things. I had a game where Lebron shot 3 floaters. Had another game where James Harden took about 4 spin layups. Things that they would never do. It seems that some of the tendencies in 2K20 and past 2K's, have been random af. But I am not a roster editor and I'm thinking you have more experience with the rosters than I do so please let me know what you think.

Only three floaters for LeBron, four spin layups for Harden? That's not that extreme, is it? And those actions have specific tendencies attached to them, so it's a simple fix.

As for tendencies overall, I'm gonna play a little devil's advocate right now. I don't think the tendencies are that bad this year (at least not relatively, compared to previous years). The issue is that, as far as I can tell, 2K definitely increased the strength of certain tendencies. The ones I noticed for sure are Drive and 3PT, which explains why you guys are seeing, for example, Westbrook chucking leaning threes or every player attacking the rim relentlessly.

This is actually a good thing. Roster editors will tell you that in previous years, it was hell trying to get the AI to be aggressive in certain areas, because even turning tendencies to 99 didn't have as much impact as it should have. That's no longer the case. Now, there's no such thing as, for example, "I can't make this player drive as much as he should" or anything, but it's still possible to make players drive less. There's a larger variance between 0 and 99 with a few tendencies this year.

It would have been nice if they had also adjusted their tendency scales to account for that, but they didn't, and, unfortunately, that burden falls on the user this year. But with the ability to share rosters and everything, the process is WAY more streamlined and convenient for all of us.

The one thing I will say is that I think (not sure, since I only play MyLeague) if you're playing MyPlayer, you have to use the default roster, which means default tendencies. IMO, you should be able to edit rosters in MyPlayer if you want to.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Individual Tendencies

Anyone have a data source (stats) on stepbacks?

[RyanFitzmagic]

Re: Individual Tendencies

Anyone have a data source (stats) on stepbacks?

NBA.com records stepbacks on their individual players "Shooting Splits" pages.

https://stats.nba.com/player/201935/shooting/

Under "Shot Type Detail" near the bottom

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Individual Tendencies

How do they collate all of that. Can those fancy camera do it or is it manually entered?