How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

[RedmanR]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

I dont know why, but this has gotten worse over the yrs, not better, even though the game as a whole is better. Use to, the CPU would bite on pumpfakes, regardless whether in the paint or on the perimeter. For the past few yrs now, its darn near impossible to get the CPU to bit on a pump fake, out on the perimeter, which is why there is a lack of shooting fouls on 3pt attempts, and you dont see the CPU bite on pumpfakes, very often even in the paint.

I havent done it, because I think the CPU D would be horrible if you lowered the D awareness very much, but that may get more bites on pumpfakes. If you raise the contest shot tendency slider up, you will see a few bites on pumpfakes, but its rare.


I dont know why this aspect has gotten worse, with the game over the yrs, when most things with the game has improved, its definitely frustrating, probably even more so for those who play MyPlayer mode against the CPU, since there is no sliders in that mode to attempt to combat it.

100% agreed, I've been saying this for sometime now but was told on a couple occasions that pump fakes don't happen often IRL lol[emoji38] can you believe that. . . there's always some sort of pump fake every ball possession and someone, somewhere is biting it whether it's a fake pass, dribble move, shot or dunk. . . why implement the user ability to initiate pump fakes but the CPU defender(s) almost never react hell. . . the fake pass is useless against the CPU, I don't bother using it. IRL hoops players sometimes fake the pass off the dribble to drive. . .

There needs to be some sort of reaction slider(s) for the CPU defenders apart from Defensive Awareness.



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[ForeverVersatile]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

I started seeing this be more evident in 2K19 during a game when ai Rondo was gliding backwards as I spined off him with Westbrook. https://media.giphy.com/media/XzYJnj...BBln/giphy.gif

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[WarMMA]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

Yup sad but true and this is what makes playing the CPU kinda cheesy....the fact that it's literally cheating in some areas. They know when your going to do mostly everything and will contest perfectly majority of the time. All you can do is make sure to take advantage of when it falls for a fake or two. There's a bit of things the CPU is unfair/cheats with tbh.

[wrestlinggod1]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

To piggyback off of OP, does the CPU know when a shot is going to be missed? Look at these clips and tell me what you guys notice.

https://youtu.be/VYqX4u7iY5c

https://youtu.be/YkqBXBDy0Mg

https://youtu.be/o3QyplPssHE

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

To piggyback off of OP, does the CPU know when a shot is going to be missed? Look at these clips and tell me what you guys notice.

https://youtu.be/VYqX4u7iY5c

https://youtu.be/YkqBXBDy0Mg

https://youtu.be/o3QyplPssHE

Maybe I'm not noticing something in those clips?

[wrestlinggod1]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

After shooting the ball, I switched to Bam Adebayo on each of those shots. The only time I got boxed out was when the shot was missed. Both times the shots were made, I had a free run to the basket. Obviously, this was only three shots because I wasn't going to record the whole game.
During my time playing 2K, I've noticed that anytime I go for a rebound and am met with resistance, it's going to be a miss. Anytime I go for a rebound and am free to move, the shot is going in.
But can you guys try it out and see what happens? Shoot the ball, switch to another player, go for a rebound. Do you only get boxed out on misses?


If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Not bringing this up to bash 2K. Just want to know if anyone else is experiencing the same

[tril]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

AI programming in is all about probability. Doesn't matter if its being used for programming games or of its used for determining outcomes in scientific experiments.

2k only probably uses the most basic variables to determine outcomes for certain things in a game, thus making it a bit predictable.

so when a gaming company says they use Ai, they are most likely truthful, cause they can't predict the outcome of user input.
input by user A in the post can generate x amount of outcomes. if it's hard coded, then the outcome would playout the same way every time with every player used.

that's the basic explanation I would guess

[Nevertheles109]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

I have a feeling this comment is going to get dismissed as the common opinion is vastly contrary then my experience.

I feel like when I run a play, get the defense out of position and they are scrambling, I can get the CPU to bite on my fakes. My fakes mainly include pump fakes, but I am referring to jab steps and pass fakes. I enjoy it because that’s realistic — defense usually gets sloppy and risky when they are scrambling. I can draw fouls, explode past them ect ect.

If the defense is set and isn’t scrambling to recover, they rarely bite on my fakes at all. I think the depth in how the integrated how/why the CPU jumps on fakes is really nicely done. You just have to get the D outta position first with a few off screens ect.

I do wish they would react more to passfakes.

[Ragnar53]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

After shooting the ball, I switched to Bam Adebayo on each of those shots. The only time I got boxed out was when the shot was missed. Both times the shots were made, I had a free run to the basket. Obviously, this was only three shots because I wasn't going to record the whole game.
During my time playing 2K, I've noticed that anytime I go for a rebound and am met with resistance, it's going to be a miss. Anytime I go for a rebound and am free to move, the shot is going in.
But can you guys try it out and see what happens? Shoot the ball, switch to another player, go for a rebound. Do you only get boxed out on misses?


If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Not bringing this up to bash 2K. Just want to know if anyone else is experiencing the same

It's always been this way. The only way this gets combatted is if you have a superior rebounding big man, in which case the ball will teleport to his hands regardless of the boxout attempt.

[BasketBalla21]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

I have a feeling this comment is going to get dismissed as the common opinion is vastly contrary then my experience.

I feel like when I run a play, get the defense out of position and they are scrambling, I can get the CPU to bite on my fakes. My fakes mainly include pump fakes, but I am referring to jab steps and pass fakes. I enjoy it because that’s realistic — defense usually gets sloppy and risky when they are scrambling. I can draw fouls, explode past them ect ect.

If the defense is set and isn’t scrambling to recover, they rarely bite on my fakes at all. I think the depth in how the integrated how/why the CPU jumps on fakes is really nicely done. You just have to get the D outta position first with a few off screens ect.

I do wish they would react more to passfakes.

I thought I was the only one who noticed this. They also bite on fakes in the post if you set them up. You have to actually hit a few shots before they will jump at an up and under.

[splashmountain]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

I have been playing a lot of games as a post up center recently and have noticed something strange. I try to beat the cpu with up and unders and pump fakes and most of the time he will just stand there with his hands up not falling for fakes no matter how many I do, but as soon as I take a shot the cpu will contest perfectly. Anyone else experience something like this?

yes this occurs. they are forcing you to get the dreamshake badge, and or that other pump fake shooting badge. to make them go for the fakes.

[edaddy]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

What the hell? there is no way that is true lol. Da_Czar would never take short cuts like that when designing the AI. That would completely ruin the post up game.

I have a great amount of respect for Da Czar but just being real there alot of things in the game that I never thought would occur with him or Wang in place..On his behalf its got to be hard to satisfy all crowds but certain aspects of basketball that they built their brand on should be adhered to at all times..it is what it is my man...

[Nevertheles109]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

yes this occurs. they are forcing you to get the dreamshake badge, and or that other pump fake shooting badge. to make them go for the fakes.

Lol this is simply not true.

I played last night on HOF and I think I had the CPU bite on fakes with three consecutive possessions. Granted, I was the lakers and played against the hawks in a season game.

I wish people would post their gameplay so we could see what’s going on and if it can rectified within the OS community. That’s why this game is vastly altered right after release every single year.

The CPU does not know when you are shooting if you aren’t predictable and diversify your attack with several wrinkles in your game.

[ForeverVersatile]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

The ai can't predict a button press, but at the moment the button is pressed it can do whatever it wants to contest the shot i.e. warp, slide, lag, manipulate animations etc...

Lol this is simply not true.

I played last night on HOF and I think I had the CPU bite on fakes with three consecutive possessions. Granted, I was the lakers and played against the hawks in a season game.

I wish people would post their gameplay so we could see what’s going on and if it can rectified within the OS community. That’s why this game is vastly altered right after release every single year.

The CPU does not know when you are shooting if you aren’t predictable and diversify your attack with several wrinkles in your game.

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[ChrisCP3Paul]

Re: How does the CPU know exactly when I am going to shoot the ball?

I had videos on this years ago when I was into 2K, it was the AI responding to my controller inputs regarding crossovers, as soon as you pressed a direction, the AI was like a shadow mimicking you.


The whole game is based on Canimations and percentages, even the one place they could have involved some sort of physics, the ball interactions.. they aren't able to do so because of this old Dreamcast era engine they're using..


I suspect EA sports is currently working on a Next NEXT gen title for the PS5/Xbox, and if 2K brings this same engine back for the next generation of consoles, people need to riot.... it's already an insult to our intelligence at this point.... casual gamers don't care so much, but sim guys do.