Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[loso_34]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

They did fix that this year. If you’re under a 75 3-point, even the corner isn’t a guarantee. So it’s really only the stretch 4s you have to guard on the perimeter. A big man build with shooting as a secondary might hit from the corner decently but he won’t be lights out.

They did make SOME improvements to pro-am/rec this year, to be fair to 2K. Mediocre shooting builds can’t hit crazy high percentages just by knowing their shot. Zone isn’t quite as effective because they did tone down passing lane steals a bit. They still don’t punish spammers enough but guys don’t really leap 10 feet away to snag passes like last year. Because zone is less effective, it is distinctly easier to punish teams running 4 guards and 1 Center on the inside. That said, scoring 2s on them doesn’t really accomplish much if they’re scoring 3s at a 70% clip on the other end.

Honestly 2Ks big failure in balancing was leaving 85+ shooting builds still able to stroke at ridiculously rates. On top of that, they created this Playmaking Shot Creator build that has virtually no weaknesses (even on defense) that can hit all the shooting thresholds. It’s honestly worse than when they first created archetypes and Pure Sharps were the only ones who could shoot like this. At least they were terrible on defense and had really mediocre dribbling.


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Slashing/playmakers were the do it all builds last year and frankly worse than the play/shots now.

[loso_34]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

2020 and people can’t tell whe 2k changes sliders lol. Lab rats

[ILLSmak]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Slashing/playmakers were the do it all builds last year and frankly worse than the play/shots now.

I honestly believe the meta is almost always wrong. I mean, we're not talking about a bunch of scientists here. NO OFFENSE to any of these ballers. We got 5 players on a team. On PC I play and it's like everyone is a play/shot. I dunno if they are the gold play or HoF play, but I bet they are gold.



Still, there are so many interesting builds. They nerfed play maker a lot, but you can still make a wild SF. A lot of the PM SFs can still get 25-30 play making badges. Yellow blue is 30 with a baby J.


Logically, as I have said before since shooting is the one thing you can't do without rating, making a team of shooters is probably the best, but if people ran a proper scheme, they should be able to neutralize a no d/jacking line up. It's amazing in a game that has DIMER and CATCH AND SHOOT that the meta is people dribbling around in circles haha.



-Smak

[ImInThis]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Thanks.

At least, I now know that if I play REC, I don't have to worry about being "pulled from the paint" by a center who has no business shooting 3's. Myles Turner is literally the only "Rim protecting, stretch" in the NBA.

A lot of y'all hate shooting Bigs LOL. I'm not letting 2k hold me back this year either. I'll be shooting 50% from the 3 just like last year. There will be no standing under the paint if you're my matchup. Most of ya'll don't want to play real defense, you expect to stand near the rim all game long and not respect my midrange and the 3 and I don't like that.

Now if you're talking pure locks and pure glass cleaners, no they shouldn't be able to shoot. Otherwise there shouldn't be nothing against shooting bigs.

[Cardinal Sin]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I will say I have had a lot of success playing with randoms or a couple friends in the 92 and under Rec pool so far this year. My win percentage is approaching 90, and I have not played in a squad of more than 3 the entire year yet. So I would strongly recommend doing this if you don't have a consistent squad to run with... yeah you can't reach your build's full potential but I would rather have competitive/fun games then slam my head against a wall playing squads.

As for shooting, I think the low end is generally ok (basically 60-70 3 point shouldn't be making consistently no matter how good you are). I wouldn't mind a slight buff to the 70-80 range or so since most of these builds are some variation of the green pie yet in general it is fairly tough to shoot consistently in this range. I think there does need to be a bit of a nerf to the high end though (85+ ratings) as it really does not take much skill to shoot with that rating, and with moving shots being overpowered it doesn't really even take much effort to get sufficiently "open". I think this might help the build diversity because at this point, really everyone is bunched up on the extremes, i.e. either play shots or pure sharps/stretches, or pure slashing/defensive builds. Basically a high-end two way sharp with an 80+ 3 is the only 3&D build that is viable at this point (unless you are running with a PG with HOF Dimer and Floor General), and rebounding wings, shooting glocks etc are basically useless unless you want to really focus on mid-range. Also I feel bad for the pure plays because most of them have a mid 70s 3 pointer yet very very few can hit consistently at all which really limits what that build can do and essentially forces people into play shots (and honestly last year it was my favorite build).

Basically we went from 2k20, a game where ratings didn't matter, to 2k21 a game where ratings matter too much. The problem is the community will NEVER agree on what an appropriate make percentage is for a given rating. Part of the community wants true simulation while the another part thinks that if you time your shot perfectly it should go in 100% of the time, so ultimately 2k can't win.

[howardphillips214]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

A lot of y'all hate shooting Bigs LOL. I'm not letting 2k hold me back this year either. I'll be shooting 50% from the 3 just like last year. There will be no standing under the paint if you're my matchup. Most of ya'll don't want to play real defense, you expect to stand near the rim all game long and not respect my midrange and the 3 and I don't like that.

Now if you're talking pure locks and pure glass cleaners, no they shouldn't be able to shoot. Otherwise there shouldn't be nothing against shooting bigs.

Right jumper and badges, people were lights out with a 50 rating.

Even bigs with a 70 had good-great rebounding and defense. Finishing ratings didnt matter with bigs last 2 years either.

So pure glass, or shooting/defensive bigs were all you saw on great teams.

Im sorry... But even with a 70, i should be able to leave you open all game and live with your .33 on WIDE OPEN 3s. But giving a big 60-70 percent make on wide open is trash.

Im not saying i should be able to play the paint ALL game, but i should ONLY be worried about the 5 if the game is close. If 4 of my teammates are playing good d, or if im helping lock down the paint, there are still places i can "half" guard your 5. Right on the baseline, when youre in the corner. I should be able to guard you or the paint depending on the situation. I shouldnt be PINNED to the corner all game. Thats trash.

Most shooting NBA bigs are successful because they can screen and pop. This creates match up nightmares.

It should NOT be a team running wraps and guard screens all game while im glued to the corner because their 5 is PURELY there to take the 5 out of the game.

Most of the time we can switch the match up, or run a zone that frees up our best rebounder.

But dont act like sitting in the corner ALL game is any more than cheese.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I know others have probably gotten better, but I was damn proud of my Pro Am stat line today, lol

I think this is the first time I've been POTG.

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[howardphillips214]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I know others have probably gotten better, but I was damn proud of my Pro Am stat line today, lol

I think this is the first time I've been POTG.

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Had a couple 6'9 paint beast PFs last year. One i made with no jumper or playmaking, the other i did enough to get the badges i wanted and that was it.

If we were playing well, even at the 4 i could get triple doubles quite frequently.

Even a double double with assists was typically the norm. But 20+ rebound games were pretty special, especially being undersized.


I loved being mobile more than anything, and that was big. I used to beat my man on defense and seal him with Boxout Bronze. Lol

[Thrustie]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I know others have probably gotten better, but I was damn proud of my Pro Am stat line today, lol

I think this is the first time I've been POTG.

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This is the reason I do the same as you and make a defensive big. It’s somewhat teammate proof in that you can always find a way it impact the game in a positive way if you play well.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

How goes the REC games after Patch 3?

[Housh123]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

How goes the REC games after Patch 3?

Theyve been fun all year to me

Will likely change when people get better

I can ball VS any level team so idc

[Thrustie]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

How goes the REC games after Patch 3?

Didn’t feel much different to me in a handful of games. Maybe it’ll be more noticeable after a few more. I still saw some guys splashing on pull up 3s but it’s a small sample size so hopefully I’ll see something more significant in the next couple of days.


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[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

How goes the REC games after Patch 3?

A lot more green lights lol.

Also i notice on my hooks that if its in a hotzone, the margin of error increases at the last second making it much easier to trigger pro touch.

Went with timing again though as the aiming is all over the place.
Its still way to sensitive lol


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[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I'm convinced the 3 ball will always be OP in 2K. Patch didn't do much in my exp.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I'm convinced the 3 ball will always be OP in 2K. Patch didn't do much in my exp.

It wouldn't be a big deal if teams could actually die by 3 too. It's so rare that I see "poor" performance from people when they only hunt for and shoot the 3. "Poor" meaning less than 50%.