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  • tru11
    MVP
    • Aug 2010
    • 1816

    #76
    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

    Originally posted by splashmountain
    what are you Tru? PF C? pure Reb?


    SG 6’2 2way slashing play maker and C 7’0 interior force.

    Allen Iverson and hakeem olajuwan builds according to the game.

    Might make a T-Mac build who plays SF


    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

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    • Erithtotl
      Pro
      • Aug 2002
      • 679

      #77
      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

      Originally posted by howardphillips214
      Yep... Full squads of 85 or under players fully badged out. That's the thing now. All of my teammates quit within the first 3 minutes we were down 30.

      People really have no shame.

      Instead of Rep OR overall, it should be based on team Win%. That way, no matter what you're ranked, what your overall is you're getting the most fair match up for your team.
      Honestly, I don't buy it.

      I don't think there are many players who care that much about their rec record. The main motivation full squads play in rec is 1) to practice for pro-am and 2) to boost their OVRs above 95. I think when you see full squads of 85s playing rec its because they've decided to build a new competitive squad from the ground up together, and their end goal is not to stay 85.

      I don't think they are all 'fully badged up', rather elites generally know their shots, dribble moves and other skills very well because they've played like 2000 games. Some of the people I play with are like that and I'm always amazed at how they can green at a high percentage with an 83 ovr slasher with a 63 3-pointer and 1 shooting badge. I'm superstar 2 and know that when I go up against a comparable rated player (or anyone below 91) with my 85 that I will likely dominate unless that person is at least at my rep, just because I have so many more games under my belt.

      In like 30+ games with my 80s rated player I've run into full squads maybe twice. Much more often with my 97 which can suck when I just want to have fun and they are playing a well coordinated 2-3 zone against a bunch of randoms. But I will say its WAY better than it was before they changed matchmaking.

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      • splashmountain
        Pro
        • Aug 2016
        • 809

        #78
        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

        Originally posted by Erithtotl
        Honestly, I don't buy it.

        I don't think there are many players who care that much about their rec record. The main motivation full squads play in rec is 1) to practice for pro-am and 2) to boost their OVRs above 95. I think when you see full squads of 85s playing rec its because they've decided to build a new competitive squad from the ground up together, and their end goal is not to stay 85.

        I don't think they are all 'fully badged up', rather elites generally know their shots, dribble moves and other skills very well because they've played like 2000 games. Some of the people I play with are like that and I'm always amazed at how they can green at a high percentage with an 83 ovr slasher with a 63 3-pointer and 1 shooting badge. I'm superstar 2 and know that when I go up against a comparable rated player (or anyone below 91) with my 85 that I will likely dominate unless that person is at least at my rep, just because I have so many more games under my belt.

        In like 30+ games with my 80s rated player I've run into full squads maybe twice. Much more often with my 97 which can suck when I just want to have fun and they are playing a well coordinated 2-3 zone against a bunch of randoms. But I will say its WAY better than it was before they changed matchmaking.
        naw, they're 85's and badged up.

        And why ? because 2k did try to correct some of the match making, at least for those going in as randoms not with a squad. if you go in as a random now with a build thats an 87 or lower, you will get players on that level. the entire team overall on both sides will not for the most part exceed 91 ovr.
        Since this has been changed, these squads that were 96 to 99 overalls can no longer go into the rec to feast off of lesser players. now they're being matched up against other 96+ guys. they dont want that at all. They want to beat up on the JV team. thats their sole purpose for coming into the rec. get easy wins. so the new game is to keep your overall down, but keep your badges up.

        Here's the thing, from a pure basketball fun sense. I can't be totally mad at them for that. I even though about doing it myself. Me and some guys i've pplayed with that have 92+ players are thinking maybe we should start really playing with our newer/lesser overall guys together just so we can get non CHEESE games.

        Because basically, once you start talking about guys that are 95's, 96's, 97's, 99's(i rarely see 98's...lol.) you're talking about a cheese fest if they are defenders. and a cheese fest if they are playmakers that can shoot and abuse the around the back move.

        You feel as if you're playing not just vs the other team but also vs 2k's cpu. Which really isnt fun. You play rec/pro am to play PEOPLE. not to go up against some bad 2k algorithm forcing you to blow layups air ball jumpers, throw the ball away even though you thru it in a different direction all because there are 3 or more 95+ defenders running around. That kind of stuff gets old even if you find a way to defeat it. the pure stress of defeating that kind of non realistic basketball isnt all that fun.

        You know when you're having fun and its you vs the other guy with a lot less 2k help? before you get that overall too high and back when you were on the way up the ladder and you played other guys who were in their 80's. those games are Fun win or lose.

        I can make a decent pass again, I can poke the ball lose from a guy over dribbling, when i get you in a pump fake and go up i get more realistic fouls called.

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        • Gowi
          Rookie
          • Aug 2019
          • 78

          #79
          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

          Originally posted by 3ShowTime2
          I dont wanna defend 2k's matchmaking, but to expect them to setup a well balanced team every time is a bit too much...Except you wanna wait for an hour or so.


          And I dont get why slashing offensive threats are a problem. They can do everything offensively, they just chose slasher as their takeover. I rather quit when I have three offensive threats at 1-3 because we lack defense...
          Sometimes those Offensive Threats play defense. The archetype system can be pretty misleading.

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          • Mintsa
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 6668

            #80
            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

            I’m goint to start rec in a few weeks.

            So, when I start off. I’ll be matched up with players my own overall ?

            Instead of a team of 95+ overalls ??

            (Yes, I have 150,000 plus VC saved so will upgrade my player to the standard 85 overall or whatever it is this year).

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            • howardphillips214
              MVP
              • Jan 2018
              • 1928

              #81
              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

              Originally posted by Mintsa
              I’m goint to start rec in a few weeks.

              So, when I start off. I’ll be matched up with players my own overall ?

              Instead of a team of 95+ overalls ??

              (Yes, I have 150,000 plus VC saved so will upgrade my player to the standard 85 overall or whatever it is this year).
              Correct. But what I've found is that MY teammates that are typically low 90s and high 80s are still Pros and Rookies. The team that I'm facing may have characters at my OVR but i saw a whole team of Superstar 2s and 3s last night trying to beat up on rookies and Pros.

              It's really worse than it was. At least when we had the lowest OVR guy hit X to start the game it was a crap shoot. We would get sweaties and bums. Now, all of my teammates are bums and the teams I'm facing is a full squad.

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              • Mintsa
                All Star
                • Jul 2002
                • 6668

                #82
                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                Ok. But that is better than last year right ?

                Last year was very lopsided teams. Too many 95 overall avg vs 82 overall average.

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                • ksuttonjr76
                  All Star
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 8662

                  #83
                  Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                  Originally posted by Mintsa
                  Ok. But that is better than last year right ?

                  Last year was very lopsided teams. Too many 95 overall avg vs 82 overall average.
                  Oooooooooooooooo...I'm telling that you're in a MyCareer/MyPlayer thread.

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                  • howardphillips214
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 1928

                    #84
                    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                    Originally posted by Mintsa
                    Ok. But that is better than last year right ?

                    Last year was very lopsided teams. Too many 95 overall avg vs 82 overall average.
                    Honestly, you're better off running Park if you're looking for a mixed bag of competition. The Rec USED to be where you could get good games sometimes and bad games the other times. Now, it's very rare to get a even level competition game. Teams are just too scared to run Team i guess.

                    They need to match make by team overall record.

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                    • Gowi
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2019
                      • 78

                      #85
                      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                      Originally posted by howardphillips214
                      Correct. But what I've found is that MY teammates that are typically low 90s and high 80s are still Pros and Rookies. The team that I'm facing may have characters at my OVR but i saw a whole team of Superstar 2s and 3s last night trying to beat up on rookies and Pros.

                      It's really worse than it was. At least when we had the lowest OVR guy hit X to start the game it was a crap shoot. We would get sweaties and bums. Now, all of my teammates are bums and the teams I'm facing is a full squad.
                      wow you really throwing me under the bus like that lol

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                      • loso_34
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 1346

                        #86
                        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                        this matchmaking is the worst it's been they gotta stop listening to people. I hate facing squads of ss2-3's but i get some pro's that's even a fair matchup.

                        i've only seen this since the new matchmaking.
                        Last edited by loso_34; 02-27-2020, 09:10 PM.

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                        • Mintsa
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6668

                          #87
                          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                          Oooooooooooooooo...I'm telling that you're in a MyCareer/MyPlayer thread.
                          I run rec after a get 200 PNO wins. I retire after 200 dubs. Can’t stomach anymore after that.

                          I’ve been getting 200 online ranked wins and stopping at 200 since literally 2k1 on Dreamcast.

                          Nothing changed.......lol

                          2k should give me like a life time achievement award or something..........

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                          • Iasounis
                            Pro
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 668

                            #88
                            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                            The matchmaking hasn't been changed. If it was, 2k would've said something.
                            PSN: KarlMarx24

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                            • SuperNoVa27
                              Pro
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 898

                              #89
                              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                              Originally posted by Iasounis
                              The matchmaking hasn't been changed. If it was, 2k would've said something.
                              You give 2k entirely too much credit in terms of transparency. VC is the same dev team that decided to stop displaying the percentages that badges affected and replaced that with vague descriptions.

                              That being said matchmaking has definitely been changed.

                              If you are 93 and above you will be matched with only players at or beyond that rating. Usually 95+ since most of the player base has reached that level.

                              92 and below will see you matched with anything from a 60ovr to a 92.

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                              • splashmountain
                                Pro
                                • Aug 2016
                                • 809

                                #90
                                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                                Originally posted by howardphillips214
                                Honestly, you're better off running Park if you're looking for a mixed bag of competition. The Rec USED to be where you could get good games sometimes and bad games the other times. Now, it's very rare to get a even level competition game. Teams are just too scared to run Team i guess.

                                They need to match make by team overall record.
                                They're scared to run team pro am because its even cheeser in there.

                                This is what happens when you gift so many attributes thru badges and overalls to the point where once a player gets to 95+ it stops feeling like you're playing vs another individuals true skill. its their skill + 2k's hard mode. its literally that guy + super hall of fame. its rather silly and its not fun to be honest.

                                For example, If you have a super high basketball IQ, and lets say you have a team over average of 91 and you end up playing a team with so so basketball IQ, but their team overall is 96+. Unless you have a team full of defeners(the most op of them all), you will end up most likely losing the game. not due to your lack of skill and smarts. but due to the up hill battle of playing vs the person and 2k's algorithm. Its just too much to overcome. The only way you win that kind of matchup is if the 96+ team got their high ratings/badges playing 100% in mycareer and they just now decided to step into the rec or team pro am not having a clue. everyone else, you will take that L. This is why i say, the sweet spot to this game user v user is some where around the 85 to 90 overall rating. and I think intimidator badges shouldnt be higher than silver, no pogo stick at all (Since there is no counter badge). Interceptor on bronze at most. fix the range extender badge and make sure no one has it higher than bronze, no green machine, no corner specialist for guys that already have 3pt shots over 85 rated, it shouldnt be necessary you can already shoot. corner specialist in real life shoot well in that corner because they practice the crap out of that shot and only those shots because they are not good at the other 3 areas. You dont need to have reddick have corner specialist. he's money form everywhere anyway. Unpluckable shouldnt go beyond bronze (this stops guys from dribbling thru your body...but this means bump steals should be fouls 80% of the time.) no bail out badge at all. needle threader should only be equipped by guys with 90+ pass ratings and it should only go up to silver. .. take off handles for days. take off brick wall until that animation is fixed.

                                ^^^that would be a for a more realistic user vs user in the rec or in team pro am or in the actual 2k league. if you want to see who has the highest bball IQ and has the best strategy. but as it currently stands with 96+ guys badged up like crazy. the game is not basketball anymore.

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