Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Well guess what? That's a YOU problem if you're not having fun.


I have a 79.6 win percentage, so it's clear I don't win every game. But I've learned how to mitigate the impatience I once had by simply leaving a game when I see stupidity beginning to take over. If you stay in there, again, that's a YOU problem.

This somehow offends me. Haha. As someone who has had heart attacks trying to win with bums, is it really a you problem if you don't quit? I dunno. Is it easier to quit, sure. Is it easy to tell when to quit? YES. I could dashboard at matchmaking or tell within 2 minutes of game time the level of toxicity/chance of winning.



It breaks my heart... I played w/ bums and we came back. We were so close. Everyone was doing... "ok", we had some good stops, and we were down 2 and a guy goes all the way in and takes a red contested lay up and we lose. Stuff like that happens all of the time. Sometimes, it doesn't. Sometimes I get in a game with bums where they are giving me the ball. It's amazing. Sometimes we win. Honestly, on cg I'm getting a lot of Ws now or close Ls now that I maxed my dude and am getting the +s from increased overall.



Of course you sometimes get bums and get blown out by a probable squad, but I just try to psychologically dominate my match up and get as many rebounds as possible/stop breaks. It's super stressful. I wouldn't call it fun, but it can be engaging.



But TLDR I'm not tryin' to hear anything about you problems when you quit. Even if that is the most logical choice. I don't blame people for quitting, but I honestly don't think you can say anything about other people's experience if you do.



And nah I never had a problem w/ you, just saying how I feel. I feel someone needs to say it.



-Smak

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

This somehow offends me. Haha. As someone who has had heart attacks trying to win with bums, is it really a you problem if you don't quit? I dunno. Is it easier to quit, sure. Is it easy to tell when to quit? YES. I could dashboard at matchmaking or tell within 2 minutes of game time the level of toxicity/chance of winning.



It breaks my heart... I played w/ bums and we came back. We were so close. Everyone was doing... "ok", we had some good stops, and we were down 2 and a guy goes all the way in and takes a red contested lay up and we lose. Stuff like that happens all of the time. Sometimes, it doesn't. Sometimes I get in a game with bums where they are giving me the ball. It's amazing. Sometimes we win. Honestly, on cg I'm getting a lot of Ws now or close Ls now that I maxed my dude and am getting the +s from increased overall.



Of course you sometimes get bums and get blown out by a probable squad, but I just try to psychologically dominate my match up and get as many rebounds as possible/stop breaks. It's super stressful. I wouldn't call it fun, but it can be engaging.



But TLDR I'm not tryin' to hear anything about you problems when you quit. Even if that is the most logical choice. I don't blame people for quitting, but I honestly don't think you can say anything about other people's experience if you do.



And nah I never had a problem w/ you, just saying how I feel. I feel someone needs to say it.



-Smak

I don’t have the problems others have because I know when to cut bait. Yeah, let me stay in the game while the Center continues to try standing layups on 3 people for an entire game. Let me stay in the game when I’m watching the PG and others consistently throw up 60%+ contested shots for the entire game. Let me stay in the game when the opposing guards/forwards have AI on them, which means free greens for the rest of the game, with literally no hope of a comeback.

If you pay enough attention, you can tell when someone is making mistakes vs being complete morons. I can take an L, but I’m not about to sit through a game when teammates are purposely selling and throwing the game.

Again, if you continue to sit through that crap, that’s a you problem. Why would I feel bad for anyone who purposely tortures themselves?

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Did they not stop quitting from counting on next gen?


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[ILLSmak]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Again, if you continue to sit through that crap, that’s a you problem. Why would I feel bad for anyone who purposely tortures themselves?

@tru, nah prol not that's why this guy is winning 80% of his games.



The truth is, though, that's the game. 2k is that game where you have those people playing. It's not torture per se, but don't quit has been an unwritten rule for a long time. In a lot of other games, you will get severely punished rank-wise or, even, get a cool down on queuing up your next game for quitting. Quitting, in some odd way, is probably a part of why the game can be so bad at times.



It's totally your choice to turn off the console after the game. It's also your choice to quit, but in 2k there is not a large penalty for it. The other side is that you can get lagged out and severely punished, too, and that is super ragey, but it happens. I'd rather take that to see everyone is gonna finish the game.



The game would be much, much better if people didn't quit, I'd argue, because they would have to reap what they sow. They would have to see it thru and figure out a way to not play like crap. Now, they can just go in straight out, jacking 3 or 4 threes and if they make them, cool, if someone stays with them and contests, they can just quit out.



2k IS a video game, but when playing online, it's supposed to be true competition. Quitting, especially quitting that isn't properly 'punished' negates that.



Why face any sort of adversity when you can just quit out and find a more favorable circumstance? That's a valid thought. However, it does have effects that go beyond just you. It lowers the quality of play, teammate trust, etc etc etc, people gotta play with bots.



I'm very anti-quitting, and you're not. I respect that you quit out and save your sanity. Luckily, there is no real punishment for it. However, my problem is that you are telling other people that it's their fault for 'mental anguish' they suffer because they don't quit, which... I could not disagree with more. You load into the game, you play. Dashboarding is sketchy, but it's fair enough if you are replaced by another player, but quitting once the game actually starts? That's not something I would advise someone to do. I would advise them to, instead, play offline. Or they should have some unranked mode like All-Star team up where people can quit when they are unhappy and watch how few games get completed with 10 people.



-Smak

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

They really need to bring dnf back and use it in matchmaking again.



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[Mintsa]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

So bring me up to speed before I jump into this mode.....


You can dashboard out of games without penalty ?

Does it even show your record ?

You can quit out of games without penalty ?

What does it show pre-game ?

What else am I missing ?

PS5 by the way.....

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Did they not stop quitting from counting on next gen?


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That was my understanding. There's no real incentive to finish a game.

[Cardinal Sin]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

So bring me up to speed before I jump into this mode.....


You can dashboard out of games without penalty ?

Does it even show your record ?

You can quit out of games without penalty ?

What does it show pre-game ?

What else am I missing ?

PS5 by the way.....

A.) Yes you can dashboard out of games with no penalty. I am ambivalent about whether this is good or bad. Obviously it would be ideal if people couldn't quit, as I don't like playing against AIs and don't like how your stats take a big hit if you play a "half-game" because everyone quits. However, at the same time given how penalizing losing is to your overall if you are above 95 (I went from 99.2 to 98.9 for example in a loss despite getting an A+ and having a triple double) it seems somewhat fair that you can quit if you are matched up with a full squad of 5 and have no chance of winning. Furthermore given how people can mercilessly cheese AIs in this game, I think you are justified in quitting if the opposing team is doing that... i.e. I don't think it is reasonable to expect people to waste 30 minutes of their time, while the other team essentially cheats.

B.) It does not show your record, however they did recently push an update which at least makes your correct stats visible in the intros.

C.) Yes, if you dashboard out you get no penalty... basically the game was never played as far as 2k is concerned (e.g. you won't lose any boosts either).

D.) Pre-game it shows your points, rebounds, assists, and your next best stat (e.g. steals, blocks, etc.). It also shows teammate grades, but mine says F all the time so seems to be broken.

E.) Overall I think next-gen rec is worse than 2k20 or 2k21 current gen, largely because of the introduction of trash AIs, and the lack of a 92 and under lobby. Enabling quitting is essentially 2ks way of compensating for the lack of actual matchmaking (e.g. just quit until you get a favorable matchup), but obviously this is a very poor and flawed work-around.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

So Basically you can win 100% of your games as long as you dashboard when you are going to loose.


Interesting that some brag about their win% and advocate quitting 🤣🤣🤣


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[Mintsa]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

A.) Yes you can dashboard out of games with no penalty. I am ambivalent about whether this is good or bad. Obviously it would be ideal if people couldn't quit, as I don't like playing against AIs and don't like how your stats take a big hit if you play a "half-game" because everyone quits. However, at the same time given how penalizing losing is to your overall if you are above 95 (I went from 99.2 to 98.9 for example in a loss despite getting an A+ and having a triple double) it seems somewhat fair that you can quit if you are matched up with a full squad of 5 and have no chance of winning. Furthermore given how people can mercilessly cheese AIs in this game, I think you are justified in quitting if the opposing team is doing that... i.e. I don't think it is reasonable to expect people to waste 30 minutes of their time, while the other team essentially cheats.

B.) It does not show your record, however they did recently push an update which at least makes your correct stats visible in the intros.

C.) Yes, if you dashboard out you get no penalty... basically the game was never played as far as 2k is concerned (e.g. you won't lose any boosts either).

D.) Pre-game it shows your points, rebounds, assists, and your next best stat (e.g. steals, blocks, etc.). It also shows teammate grades, but mine says F all the time so seems to be broken.

E.) Overall I think next-gen rec is worse than 2k20 or 2k21 current gen, largely because of the introduction of trash AIs, and the lack of a 92 and under lobby. Enabling quitting is essentially 2ks way of compensating for the lack of actual matchmaking (e.g. just quit until you get a favorable matchup), but obviously this is a very poor and flawed work-around.

Thanks for the info sir.

So basically if you are actually winning a game, your finishing against AI’s to get the win because no is dumb enough to actually finish the game and get the L ?

Lol......what a stupid way to program the mode. But yet in PNO we have super strict rules on quitting and dashboarding? Lol. Makes zero sense.

Oh well. Looks like I’m going to have a perfect record in rec. lol.

If you quit, your stats don’t record either right ? Your ppg, rpg, apg all stay the same as if the game never happened ?

[ILLSmak]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I played 3 or 4 games last night and each one either the majority of my team or the majority of their team quit. In every game except 1, I was matched up against a bot. I feel like it's time to retire da gam.



I realize Fri and Sat are bad for toxicity, but I noticed something, like if I queue up with my friend, it almost always sticks us with a 3, or at least it seems like a 3 because they all play buddy ball, and then if they quit they quit. Dudes all quit cuz we faced ZENSQUAD, so got to run with bots... didn't do too badly cept it's hard to cover all the cpus men. Humpty dumpty, etc.



Then we ended up making people quit in the other games. WE HAD NO CHEATERS on our team, either. In fact, we had some really trash players passing to each other and forcing shots in paint vs the two big men who were still there.



Sigh. Doesn't mean it's not gonna be a joke if everyone stays, or just as tedious, but at least I can have some fun vs my individual match up which, for the record... even when I was helping on cpus, I LOCKED HIM DOWN (was on my 'shooter/scorer.') I at least enjoyed that. Yellow contests on mod controls. Yum.



-Smak

[Cardinal Sin]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Thanks for the info sir.

So basically if you are actually winning a game, your finishing against AI’s to get the win because no is dumb enough to actually finish the game and get the L ?

Lol......what a stupid way to program the mode. But yet in PNO we have super strict rules on quitting and dashboarding? Lol. Makes zero sense.

Oh well. Looks like I’m going to have a perfect record in rec. lol.

If you quit, your stats don’t record either right ? Your ppg, rpg, apg all stay the same as if the game never happened ?

Yep, both the stats and the win/loss stay the same if you dashboard. As others mentioned this is a big reason why win/loss and stats can be very deceiving in next gen. For example I have a friend on my friend's list whose rec record is 1069-24... in any other year that would be quite impressive (even if you only ran with a squad), but in this year's game I know there are a decent amount of quits mixed in there. Despite the fact that you can quit if you want to keep an immaculate record, I personally have picked up a decent amount of Ls because the rep and overall progress (assuming you are under 95 and getting good stats/teammate grade) is still fairly good so at least when my players were under 95 I would suffer through some Ls. But, yes in summary win/loss is fairly meaningless since quitting is not penalized, about the only "positive" is that if people quit deep enough into games they waste their time.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Yep, both the stats and the win/loss stay the same if you dashboard. As others mentioned this is a big reason why win/loss and stats can be very deceiving in next gen. For example I have a friend on my friend's list whose rec record is 1069-24... in any other year that would be quite impressive (even if you only ran with a squad), but in this year's game I know there are a decent amount of quits mixed in there. Despite the fact that you can quit if you want to keep an immaculate record, I personally have picked up a decent amount of Ls because the rep and overall progress (assuming you are under 95 and getting good stats/teammate grade) is still fairly good so at least when my players were under 95 I would suffer through some Ls. But, yes in summary win/loss is fairly meaningless since quitting is not penalized, about the only "positive" is that if people quit deep enough into games they waste their time.

Based on the above statements...what's the point of playing REC then without a full squad? Even from the few times I played (haven't dived 100% into 2K21 b/c started playing 2K20 again), I can the tell that the AI is a straight up liability. On NBA 2K20, I have played enough games with AIs that it's definitely possible to win games with them or at least stay in the game. Honestly, if there was a way to proactively select how many AIs you wanted to team-up with in NBA 2K20, I would. They could do the same thing that they do with the racing games where the AIs are "real" players online.

The AIs in 2K21 can't hit an OPEN shot to save themselves and can torched on the defensive side of the ball.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Here's a testament how good the AI was in NBA 2K20.

Have you ever play a game of REC, and your teammate(s) sucks? They quit, because they think you all are going to lose. Afterwards, you're like...

Man, this AI is showing out more than the actual player. We actually stand a chance now, lol.

I remember being disconnected from a game, then I sent a serious, non-serious message to one of the players that I got dropped and let me know how my character did. I guess my center snapped for like 15 points, 23 rebounds, and 3 blocks, and they won the game. I was like "Damn", lol.

[Cardinal Sin]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Based on the above statements...what's the point of playing REC then without a full squad? Even from the few times I played (haven't dived 100% into 2K21 b/c started playing 2K20 again), I can the tell that the AI is a straight up liability. On NBA 2K20, I have played enough games with AIs that it's definitely possible to win games with them or at least stay in the game. Honestly, if there was a way to proactively select how many AIs you wanted to team-up with in NBA 2K20, I would. They could do the same thing that they do with the racing games where the AIs are "real" players online.

The AIs in 2K21 can't hit an OPEN shot to save themselves and can torched on the defensive side of the ball.

Yep the 2k21 AI is trash... even though they boosted them from 60 overalls to 85 it doesn't really make a difference because a.) they can't shoot, but more importantly they can't defend against 3s at all (this is also partially a function of how broken the contest system is this year, as they often get 15-30% contests, but these really don't matter).

Now I admit there is a balance, you don't want AIs who are too good defensively because then it would be miserable playing against an AI (AIs are actually a bit OP when it comes to playing passing lanes imo, and make that element of the game less fun), but the amount they sag off of 3 point shooters in Rec this year is criminal. The easiest way to get me to quit a rec game this year, is when the other team aggressively cheeses the AI. Now I am fine with scoring occasionally on the AI, i.e. I don't expect you to sit out of bounds and do nothing if you have an AI on you, but when a team is not even trying to run a real offense and is instead just feeding the person who the AI is guarding every possession and launching semi-open 3s... well I won't waste my time in a game like that.

Really bringing in the AIs to fill space on next-gen due to the more limited player pool (and also because everyone made PFs) was not a terrible idea in theory. However, in execution they are total liabilities in every way except for intercepting passes and taking charges.