This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

[BasketBalla21]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Here's my point. If ball handler drives and Kawhi lunges to double the ball then Cousins is wide open. Whether he makes it is irrelevant. That's an open look. Now if Kawhi sits in the middle and TIMES the pass he could get an interception, sure.

BUT IN 2K THE DEFENDER DOESN'T HAVE TO TIME IT. HE CAN SPAM WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE TILL THE BALL MAGICALLY GOES TO HIS HAND.

There's ZERO consequence to bad timing. Plus, the margin for error is WAY too big. This should be an ELITE defensive play if done correctly. Not by Kyle freaking Korver.

What are you arguing here?

Actually no, that's not how basketball works. Maybe a high school player will fall for something like that but a pro, let alone the best overall defender in the nba isn't dumb enough to let that happen.

They gap away from the ball to form a wall in the paint, not recklessly double a ball handler to leave a shooter wide open. They have the footspeed and length to form a wall around the paint, pick off a pass, and if the man at the corner rotates to the wing to prevent the passing lane steal they can still recover to contest the shot. This is why wide open shots in the nba are rare.

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This is the first example I've found but there are many others just like it on this channel. What is happening in the pics I mentioned is that the defender understands defensive positioning better than you understand offensive positioning. If he is playing the passing lane that aggressively it's time for you to cut or rotate to another spot on the floor. You're just standing there so he can recover and pick off passes easily.

[splashmountain]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

although i agree that those were bad passes, but passing lane steals are way too easy, it doesn’t help that 2k’s court design is too small so it’s easy for people to recover on defense too easy. they can sag all the way off of their man and still recover in time to get a passing lane steal, 2k’s steal mechanics makes it easy, if someone wants to keep spamming there needs to be SOME KIND of penalty. that’s why playing zone is the go to game plan for all these trash a** pro am teams.

its worse then that.
I've been telling yall this.

2k's interceptor badge and steals rating, will make it so that the ball being passed will slow down in mid air why? to give the defender time to catchup to it for the tip or steal. this happens a lot when defenders are in the game with high level badges. i didnt say in the passing lane. just semi in the area. it will slow your pass down a lot. especially if you're passing ability is lower than 90. and you dont have needle threader up high.

In addition, this started with 2k19 i believe. when they made defense be the main thing about the game. they OP'd all of the defensive badges that matter. but they also made it so that a defender can press or keep spamming the steal button, while you're pressing the pass button as the offensive player. and if their press of the button beats your. it will at times stop you from throwing the pass even though you pressed the pass button. you will take a few more dribbles/ steps if you're moving. and it will delay the pass. which will once again give the defense time to see your now what some would call telegraphed pass. well dang 2k, if you didnt stop my button press the pass would've worked out perfectly. now my teammate is yelling "why didnt you pass it quicker" i'm yelling back "I cant i cant."

he doesnt believe me and thinks its a conspiracy to ice him out. thanks 2k.

the better defenders in the game and the more of them in one game on one team. the more silly animations or a lack of animation on passing you will see.

for instance any of you notice when you hit the pass button at times and lets say the ball is in your right hand, and the guy you're passing to is on the right side of you. you should probably just do a nice one hand pass to the guy on that side right? or at worse a nice crisp chest pass with two hands. But NOPE. 2k has you switch hands and throw a one hand left hand shuffle pass to your teammates ankles. Doesnt make any sense at all but to ...again..slow down my obvious simple pass. why? to give the defense a chance to steal it, tip it or close out on the receiver.

this is why i say most of the defense thats being played out there by guys with 2 ways or pure defenders is not real defense most times. it 2ks cpu help defense via the badges and unrealistic programming. the game doesnt have to be this way. yes 2k has always had an issue with passing speed. but i can see really nice crisp passing animations in this game more so than any other version. yet they decided to nerf that good upgrade to force fake defense. I ..Can't...Stand it.


oh and i found out another secret to this passing and stealing stuff.

I had to fix my passing sliders in my controller settings. I use to have it on default then i tried to tweak it a few ways. i realize the way i direction pass (i hate icon passing because that split millisecond it takes to bring up the icons has just killed the initial super quick pass i could've made. now we know icon passing is much safer than direction passing. most of the time thats due to the sliders for passing. they have some of the sliders setup for openness and distance. so the game tries to figure out if he/she is pressing the controller in this area and there are two possible receivers in the area. should i pass it to the most open person or open area? and/or should i pass it to the most open person/area and the person the farthest away(not just talking about skip passing which doesnt work right 30% of the time unlike when it was first introduced and it worked correctly every time you held the pass button down. why would you change this 2k? makes no sense at all.

so due to those passing sliders, the manner in which i use direction passing, especially with my playmaker. I need the freedom to pass it correctly to where I aim. i dont want your help 2k for passing to open players or open areas. I can do that on my own. so i turned all of the sliders for direction passing all the way up to i think 98 or 99. This has made my passing 10 times more accurate to the direction and area i'm trying to pass it to. its not perfect and at times you hit the closer guy when you wanted to hit the farthest guy when two offensive guys are parallel to one another. and sometimes you hit the furthest guy at times as well.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Here's my point. If ball handler drives and Kawhi lunges to double the ball then Cousins is wide open. Whether he makes it is irrelevant. That's an open look. Now if Kawhi sits in the middle and TIMES the pass he could get an interception, sure.



BUT IN 2K THE DEFENDER DOESN'T HAVE TO TIME IT. HE CAN SPAM WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE TILL THE BALL MAGICALLY GOES TO HIS HAND.



There's ZERO consequence to bad timing. Plus, the margin for error is WAY too big. This should be an ELITE defensive play if done correctly. Not by Kyle freaking Korver.



What are you arguing here?

Kawhi should be protecting against a pass to Cousins though. The only way this plays "breaks" the defense is if the ball handler cleanly blows past his defender forcing Kawhi to step up to stop the floater which should leave Cousins open .

Hypothetically, if the ball handler tries to pass the ball to Cousins from his current position on the floor, Kawhi should be able to pick that pass off most times than not, because he's watching the action.

How long do you think it takes to read and react to a pass?

EDIT: Whoever is #2 could drop down a little bit to protect against the drive if he considers Green a non-shooting threat.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

What is happening in the pics I mentioned is that the defender understands defensive positioning better than you understand offensive positioning. If he is playing the passing lane that aggressively it's time for you to cut or rotate to another spot on the floor. You're just standing there so he can recover and pick off passes easily.

Another good point. I try to always be in motion, so my defender can't merely campout in my passing lane. He mentioned that the defender was positioning himself between him and the ball for the entire game. Isn't that not the point of the defense? When I play PNO, opponents will play off ball against the CPU, because the CPU may get stagnant on offense which makes it easier to get passing lane steals. In PNO, I call a manual cut or use a freelance where the offense is in constant motion.

The same principle applies to REC too. Move around! Make the defense move around and make a possible mental mistake. Give the ballhandler moving targets and fill the open spots on the floor.

I'm going to record my game tonight and post it. To me, it's all about understanding the spacing on the court at any given time.

[ForeverVersatile]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Steal animations or ball tracking need tweaks. Too many passes stolen that shouldn't be. Height and vertical don't seem to matter.

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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Nice. Just won a game where my entire team quit. My team was a 88 overall. The opposing team was a 96 overall. Videos coming.

[howardphillips214]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Dude... You guys are absolutely insane. I'll upload this video later. It's going to essentially be the entire second half cuz I'm not editing this crap.

Any little League coach, or HS coach, or NBA coach would tell you to play the shooter.

What are the odds of getting the steal on real life VS getting a hand on the shooter and making them miss?

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

My team and the opposing team. They had 3 friends and two randoms. For whatever reason, I forgot how to record whole games on Xbox.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Alcj4MtiMHGWiCYcP0O3t7MzQeCQ

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

This is why double teams don't work. I would have had a nice assist count if the AI had hit all their shots.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Alcj4MtiMHGWiCd8YGDPBHlR58O7

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Down 10 going into the 4th. The opposing team still haven't learned not to double team me.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Alcj4MtiMHGWiCh4EJ99pZbtNcFC

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

The AI coming through in the clutch, and I was able to tie the game. The dime from the AI though. Nice.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Alcj4MtiMHGWiCmadI-u-sD5G-Lm

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Then their big sold them out for two violations, lol. I called a timeout, because I knew I got trapped near the halfcourt line. Court awareness.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Alcj4MtiMHGWiCreSlYMDbTI_m2m

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Then the sore loser...you can't make this sh*t up [emoji23].

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

although i agree that those were bad passes, but passing lane steals are way too easy, it doesn’t help that 2k’s court design is too small so it’s easy for people to recover on defense too easy. they can sag all the way off of their man and still recover in time to get a passing lane steal, 2k’s steal mechanics makes it easy, if someone wants to keep spamming there needs to be SOME KIND of penalty. that’s why playing zone is the go to game plan for all these trash a** pro am teams.

Well when guys with HOF badges can green from 50 ft, there needs to be some kind of balance.

[tru11]

Re: This is NOT playing defense. Stop it 2k.

Dude... You guys are absolutely insane. I'll upload this video later. It's going to essentially be the entire second half cuz I'm not editing this crap.

Any little League coach, or HS coach, or NBA coach would tell you to play the shooter.

What are the odds of getting the steal on real life VS getting a hand on the shooter and making them miss?

What odds are there that people in real life have the same field of vision that 2k cam offers?