Pro-Am Players in REC

[MrWrestling3]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

I’d recommend a user vs cpu mode and better matchmaking


I know a lot of guys run on teams and simply don’t want to play 50 comp games in a row VS try hardship so they’ll dip into rec here and there. I say instead of that make a game mode that’s like real NBA stars vs our pro am team and it’s in a difficulty that’s HOF or above and make it 2x rep. That should get some of these pro am guys out the rec. just give these guys something to do but lurk in rec beating up on randoms


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I think that can be an option too...there really needs to be something that is a more attractive alternative than just beating up on people not on your level.

happens irl on the aau circuit or tournaments. teams of 16 year olds beating up on 13-14 year olds so they can “win”.

these guys dont care to improve or play their peers they want to win at all costs and get max rep.

For sure it does, happens in baseball too. A friend of mine coaches U14 and sometimes there will be what are basically college teams playing in tournaments with 14 year olds so they can "win". Doesn't make beating lesser skilled teams any more shallow in the long run though.

I think that's the point though, "pro" teams probably shouldn't be rewarded for beating up on what are more less casual pick up ball squads.If they want to do it casually for practice or fun that is fine, making it "the easy way" for guys to rep up is a bad idea.There has to be a better way to handle the situation.

[Erithtotl]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Not all full squads are pro-am teams. We've put together a sizable group of players, starting with people on this forum, and look to run full squads in rec when we get the chance. Having 5 people on mics who trust each other and don't scream or freeze people out is about 5 times better than 5 randoms and if you are on the random side it will feel hopeless. We don't typically run a formal offense and only sometimes run a zone. About 1 in 3-4 games we run into another squad and have a real fight on our hands. I know my points per game is about 10 higher when we run with a group than when I run with randoms who don't pass and can't space the floor or guard their man.

If we get 5 people on who are a regular part of the pro-am rotation and know our schemes we will typically go play pro-am.

The biggest problem with this years myplayer multiplayer is the dynamic ratings. It's a cool idea, and nice not to have to play one million games to get to 99. But the penalties for a loss are so much greater than what you gain for a win (and a lot of times you have animations that are dependent on the rating boosts). So there's a huge incentive to stack the odds in your favor. You literally have to win 3 games to overcome 1 loss.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Not all full squads are pro-am teams. We've put together a sizable group of players, starting with people on this forum, and look to run full squads in rec when we get the chance. Having 5 people on mics who trust each other and don't scream or freeze people out is about 5 times better than 5 randoms and if you are on the random side it will feel hopeless. We don't typically run a formal offense and only sometimes run a zone. About 1 in 3-4 games we run into another squad and have a real fight on our hands. I know my points per game is about 10 higher when we run with a group than when I run with randoms who don't pass and can't space the floor or guard their man.

If we get 5 people on who are a regular part of the pro-am rotation and know our schemes we will typically go play pro-am.

The biggest problem with this years myplayer multiplayer is the dynamic ratings. It's a cool idea, and nice not to have to play one million games to get to 99. But the penalties for a loss are so much greater than what you gain for a win (and a lot of times you have animations that are dependent on the rating boosts). So there's a huge incentive to stack the odds in your favor. You literally have to win 3 games to overcome 1 loss.

Maybe, maybe not. Pro-am team or not, their overall collective skills far exceeded anything that I have encountered up until that point. If they were merely a squad then matchmaking needs to change where squads of 3 or more need to be matched up with other squads.

I have played against squads before, and I have never got beaten and manhandled that bad before. This squad was definitely different from other squads that I have played before. It's like being at your local park and some unknown dude shows up to play. Any basketball player worth their weight in gold should be able to immediately recognize when another player is used to playing at a higher level competition. You can take any G-League player, let him play at the local park, and guys can tell "This dude plays college, overseas, or should be in the NBA.".

[Iasounis]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Not all full squads are pro-am teams. We've put together a sizable group of players, starting with people on this forum, and look to run full squads in rec when we get the chance. Having 5 people on mics who trust each other and don't scream or freeze people out is about 5 times better than 5 randoms and if you are on the random side it will feel hopeless. We don't typically run a formal offense and only sometimes run a zone. About 1 in 3-4 games we run into another squad and have a real fight on our hands. I know my points per game is about 10 higher when we run with a group than when I run with randoms who don't pass and can't space the floor or guard their man.

If we get 5 people on who are a regular part of the pro-am rotation and know our schemes we will typically go play pro-am.

The biggest problem with this years myplayer multiplayer is the dynamic ratings. It's a cool idea, and nice not to have to play one million games to get to 99. But the penalties for a loss are so much greater than what you gain for a win (and a lot of times you have animations that are dependent on the rating boosts). So there's a huge incentive to stack the odds in your favor. You literally have to win 3 games to overcome 1 loss.

I'll cosign this. It's a problem 2k created. They tied ability to improve and maintain your overall with winning, but haven't implemented proper matchmaking; so many do so by stacking the deck in their favour.

[tru11]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Just keep solo and squads seperated.


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[Iasounis]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Just keep solo and squads seperated.


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Exactly, but what to do with squads of 2-4?

[Erithtotl]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Just keep solo and squads seperated.


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I agree with this but where do you draw a line? Any people in a squad? 2 people, or 3?

In my experience while 2 or 3 give you an advantage over randoms, it doesn't really start to get overwhelming until 4.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

I agree with this but where do you draw a line? Any people in a squad? 2 people, or 3?



In my experience while 2 or 3 give you an advantage over randoms, it doesn't really start to get overwhelming until 4.

3 and up. It's hard to freeze out a team with just 2 people.

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[tru11]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

I agree with this but where do you draw a line? Any people in a squad? 2 people, or 3?



In my experience while 2 or 3 give you an advantage over randoms, it doesn't really start to get overwhelming until 4.

Meh 2 people are enough to freeze everybody out.

Get the pg postion and the c and everybody might just be statues lol.

But i know it might cause to long of a waiting time so id say just full squads.

The other options would are not really viable.
4 requires 1 solo player or cpu to fill it up which personally i have no issue with but would screw you over when playing against a full 5

2 and 3 require on each other or cpu to fill
It up which might take a while.

So just give full squads seperate matchmaking.

It really would solve most of the complains and its probably also the easiest to pull off.



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[MrWrestling3]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Exactly, but what to do with squads of 2-4?

Just off the top of my head...make 2 game types in REC.....3v3 and full 5v5. Allow solo players the option to queue either "solo only" for randoms only or as "walk on" to fill out the open spaces when squads of less than 3 or 5 (i.e. 2 or 4) queue up. .

That way squads of 2 could play 3v3 and 4 man squads could play 5v5 with just one random.Solos can choose to play with squads or just with other randoms only.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

For real? For real?

Played against my first Pro-Am squad in REC and got stomped by 60+ points. I could tell in the first 2 minutes, because their level of defense was NOTHING that I ever encountered before. They played the passing lanes and 2-3 zone to perfection. My defender was somehow was able to stonewall my player while I was dribbling. I could BARELY get any type of separation from him at all which killed my ability to collapse the zone. One player shot, I swear, like 8 green releases in a row on teammate. They were using dribbling animations that I have never seen before. Like this team was from a whole different planet. I was so livid, because I knew they were playing to pad their stats. First time that I ever played scared while making passes, because it felt like they were snatching everything out of the air. We had like 30 turnovers to their 3 maybe 4. The crap was unreal.

old news lol

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...rec-awful.html

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

One player shot, I swear, like 8 green releases in a row on teammate.

One thing I can't stand about NBA 2K is this. 3pt %'s are completely unrealistic and it's a complete game changer. HOF quick draw needs to be taken out back.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

I will never understand the reasoning behind this. It's like a MLB team playing a U12 Boys Little League team so they don't "hurt their record" by playing other MLB teams on their level.

Ducking competition to pad stats is not in any way impressive,nor will it in any way make people better players.It is pretty much just straight up insecure people that need their egos stroked because they can't handle even the possibility of a losing a game.

All the more reason there needs to be a better lobby/matchmaking system than now.If guys want to do this then make them play in unranked Pro Am lobbies where the games don't count towards anyones precious "record".

It's like Duke (tryhards) going to play randoms at 24 hr fitness or some local bball court (pickup basketball) and bringing Coach K with them to coach and scout the opponents. Then when the game starts, they're running every set and play like it's the Final Four. Then when they win, they're suuuuper proud of themselves. Like gtfoh.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Meh 2 people are enough to freeze everybody out.

Get the pg postion and the c and everybody might just be statues lol.

But i know it might cause to long of a waiting time so id say just full squads.

The other options would are not really viable.
4 requires 1 solo player or cpu to fill it up which personally i have no issue with but would screw you over when playing against a full 5

2 and 3 require on each other or cpu to fill
It up which might take a while.

So just give full squads seperate matchmaking.

It really would solve most of the complains and its probably also the easiest to pull off.



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In theory, you could freeze out your team with just only two people, but then they're just being *ssholes. You can't win with only two people while they freeze out their team. It's possible, but highly unlikely.

Real talk, I don't feel sorry for them, because they don't care when they squad up against randoms. If they don't like having a "disadvantage", then they need to try harder to get full squads. I could see compromise and say squads with 4+ should have their own matchmaking. I have seen teams freeze out one player with just only randoms. I was froze out of a game for missing one corner 3, or some buddies that squad up and decided to never pass me the ball from the start.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Just off the top of my head...make 2 game types in REC.....3v3 and full 5v5. Allow solo players the option to queue either "solo only" for randoms only or as "walk on" to fill out the open spaces when squads of less than 3 or 5 (i.e. 2 or 4) queue up. .

That way squads of 2 could play 3v3 and 4 man squads could play 5v5 with just one random.Solos can choose to play with squads or just with other randoms only.

Nevermind...Just read this comment. This is a good idea. I like giving the power of option to the solo player. Solo players would get the advantage of being on a squad, BUT they run the risk that they may get frozen out. Otherwise, they could always enter a game knowing that they will be playing only with randoms. If squads end up having too much wait time, it kinda encourages them to always run full squads.