Pro-Am Players in REC

[tru11]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

Man, y’all literally complain about everything. So the hell what if people squad up for the Rec? Not every squad should be forced to play Team Pro Am.

1.) With the people I play with, there’s anywhere between 2-12 people online at any given time. Some are capable of playing Pro Am, but a lot of them aren’t, and I wouldn’t trust them in a constant competitive setting. Way too many mental lapses at the wrong times, and sometimes they just don’t take the game serious. But because of the constant crying, I should be forced to play Pro Am? No.

2.) Sometimes I may only go into Rec with one or two other people. But nope, should be forced to play Pro Am, right?

3.) There’s a lot of days that we like to run some real unconventional lineups (our latest lineup tends to be two PGs, and three SGs) just to BS around with. But naaaah, we should be forced to go to Team Pro Am with that, huh?

Stop it.

Uhhh no.

Solo players want to be matched with and against other solo players.
Not against full squads.
Emphasis on the full part since you missed that.

In a perfect world solo players are separate from all squads in general but we all know it will never happen.
So wanting to at least see solo players separate from full squads does not seem like to much to ask.





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[howardphillips214]

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Uhhh no.

Solo players want to be matched with and against other solo players.
Not against full squads.
Emphasis on the full part since you missed that.

In a perfect world solo players are separate from all squads in general but we all know it will never happen.
So wanting to at least see solo players separate from full squads does not seem like to much to ask.





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Then you are asking for 3 recs. Complete pick up where no one knows anyone, one for partial squads and one for full squads.

It would be much easier to have it that full 5 have one door and up to 4 can go to another.

[tru11]

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Then you are asking for 3 recs. Complete pick up where no one knows anyone, one for partial squads and one for full squads.



It would be much easier to have it that full 5 have one door and up to 4 can go to another.

Im asking for 2.

Solo and squads.

Odds of that happening is 0.

So its basically full squads and the rest.


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[Iasounis]

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Man, y’all literally complain about everything. So the hell what if people squad up for the Rec? Not every squad should be forced to play Team Pro Am.

1.) With the people I play with, there’s anywhere between 2-12 people online at any given time. Some are capable of playing Pro Am, but a lot of them aren’t, and I wouldn’t trust them in a constant competitive setting. Way too many mental lapses at the wrong times, and sometimes they just don’t take the game serious. But because of the constant crying, I should be forced to play Pro Am? No.

2.) Sometimes I may only go into Rec with one or two other people. But nope, should be forced to play Pro Am, right?

3.) There’s a lot of days that we like to run some real unconventional lineups (our latest lineup tends to be two PGs, and three SGs) just to BS around with. But naaaah, we should be forced to go to Team Pro Am with that, huh?

Stop it.

What people are sayingx and I agree, is that full squads of 5 should not be matched up against a team of ramdoms. It's not aimed solely at you (since you said your squad isn't very good anyway), but at eliminating 5s that play to beat up on lesser teams. Not sure how often you go in solo, but it's annoying to just want to run solo, and face equal competition, and run into a team of 99s.

Not sure why you're against that concept, but I can guess why.

[Erithtotl]

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Ultimately there just need to be more options.

For those who don't play pro-am, you might not know the competition there is all over the place. I've played squads that are far worse than a bunch of randoms in rec. At the same time, the wait time for pro-am can be 15 minutes while rec is rarely more than a minute if you have a full squad. So there is good reason for people to choose rec while with a squad.

Perhaps a random matchup rec, a squad rec, and ranked pro-am (with actual incentives to playing pro-am and beating good teams) would be the right breakdown.

[ImInThis]

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I've been running into a lot of Pro Am teams too. Playing Zone, 5 Out, playing the lanes, and full court passes. Pure Sweat. People keep saying they don't want to face tryhards on Pro Am and thus play Rec, but that's a damn lie in 99% of cases. All these teams play the same zone, 5 out, and passing lane, so miss me with that BS excuse

Is it possible to make the court bigger to punish zone and passing lanes? Has 2k not looked into this?

And how about toning down full court passes? How often do NBA players make those type of passes with accuracy?


What 2k REALLY needs to add is a scrimmage mode for squads vs CPU. Add a tutorial on how to break a zone, where every player should be, what they should do, etc.

[ImInThis]

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There is no incentive to play in pro am over rec when most teams can just beat up on randoms and get rep that way. Yes pro am give more rep but that's negated by the fact that you more than likely to face higher competition so you not getting as much rep as possible.


The problem isn't the fact that you can squad up in the first place. No gym or rec leagues prohibit 5 friends from coming in playing next game. The issue is the players treat rec as if it was the finals of the WR league. If you have to run zone against the majority of 2k community, you are completely bad at this game.


2k has to add more incentives to pro am and you'll get less teams in rec looking to eat against random teams. That won't take the cheesy of the cheese squads out the rec but that's also why you add in matchmaking to where 5 squads always face 5 squads. Eventually they might just start facing the same other cheesy team and they'll just be like forget it, let's go to pro am and get those incentives ( triple the rep you'll get in rec even with a loss, more badge points).


Also make the courts bigger, take out the 3 other courts in the background, nerf passing lane steals, and get the rights to the drew league and that's the location for rec games. Have more rec/pro am events. We only get a double xp every once in a blue moon. Meanwhile the park got something different every weekend.


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If they want to come to Rec, that's fine. The problem is playing zone, 5 out, and playing the passing lanes against randoms all 4 quarters. Do you see where I'm getting at? None of that is called for but they do it just to feel good, whereas they might get stomped playing against a real team

[OleAgony]

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Speaking of Pro Am and Rec...is anyone looking for another player? Looking to squad up I'm either. 87 ovr currently.

[Kleinevos]

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Is it possible to make the court bigger to punish zone and passing lanes? Has 2k not looked into this?
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According to 2k, the courts are real life sized compared to the player sizes.


The problem is that, while the above may be true, they probably did not take into account the invisible area around each player character. Which means the courts are actually too small.
This is why you can stand on the free throw line with hof intimidator and affect any shot in the paint and on top of the arc without moving.

An agile big with hof intimidator can contest everything except the deep corner threes from the free throw position in this game.

Which is why 5 out is so populair, it’s the only way to create a minimum of space needed to be able to play a resemblance of basketbal, without op lane steals and paint clogging.

For 2k21, if they don’t increase court size, i’m going to make a 3&D big out of the gate to start with again. You simply can’t make a better build as a random, because incomplete squads will love you and add you.


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[kdurantmvp]

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Man, y’all literally complain about everything. So the hell what if people squad up for the Rec? Not every squad should be forced to play Team Pro Am.

1.) With the people I play with, there’s anywhere between 2-12 people online at any given time. Some are capable of playing Pro Am, but a lot of them aren’t, and I wouldn’t trust them in a constant competitive setting. Way too many mental lapses at the wrong times, and sometimes they just don’t take the game serious. But because of the constant crying, I should be forced to play Pro Am? No.

2.) Sometimes I may only go into Rec with one or two other people. But nope, should be forced to play Pro Am, right?

3.) There’s a lot of days that we like to run some real unconventional lineups (our latest lineup tends to be two PGs, and three SGs) just to BS around with. But naaaah, we should be forced to go to Team Pro Am with that, huh?

Stop it.

Before I begin... I second your comment about 2k players complaining about everything. They love to blame squads (especially on reddit) for why they lost the game but come to find out, 80% of the time they didn't even face a squad. Alot of yall that play 2k is absolutely horrible at this game and need to realize it. Stop blaming squads, stop blaming interceptor, stop blaming the lag. You just suck.


Now on to my statement. When folks complain about squads, 95% of the time they're not complaining about squads like yours. They talking about the squads who come in and act like Ronnie told them if they win, then they get 500k and the cover to 2k21. You just be playing them like is it really that serious. If you have to zone up in the rec, then you're really not good. Especially going back to my original point about folks not being good to begin with. Man defense should be enough for 99% of the fan base. Especially if that squad is taking advantage of the 92 and under pool.


As for you though, keep doing you. By your post, seems like you guys just go in and play the game and not look to cheese and even have fun with 5 guards (so help you God, if you put a guard in my big, it's bbq boneless chicken for him lol). People are going to cry anyway because deep down its rooted in jealousy. You have friends and more times than not, they don't have anyone to roll with because they are the random you want to avoid in the first place. You brought this game to have fun, do what makes the game fun to you.


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[kdurantmvp]

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According to 2k, the courts are real life sized compared to the player sizes.


The problem is that, while the above may be true, they probably did not take into account the invisible area around each player character. Which means the courts are actually too small.
This is why you can stand on the free throw line with hof intimidator and affect any shot in the paint and on top of the arc without moving.

An agile big with hof intimidator can contest everything except the deep corner threes from the free throw position in this game.

Which is why 5 out is so populair, it’s the only way to create a minimum of space needed to be able to play a resemblance of basketbal, without op lane steals and paint clogging.

For 2k21, if they don’t increase court size, i’m going to make a 3&D big out of the gate to start with again. You simply can’t make a better build as a random, because incomplete squads will love you and add you.


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No way in hell they have 4 real life sized courts in the Rec lmao. They're definitely condensed. You ever seen a zone in the rec? With an actual nba size court, no one will run zone because it will literally leave the three wide open. But right now you can run a zone and cover the whole entire court.


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[Kleinevos]

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No way in hell they have 4 real life sized courts in the Rec lmao. They're definitely condensed. You ever seen a zone in the rec? With an actual nba size court, no one will run zone because it will literally leave the three wide open. But right now you can run a zone and cover the whole entire court.


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They “claim” they have real life measurements compared to character sizes.

But like I said, they probably don’t account for the invisible field around players. They just did a mathematical exercise.
So in truth, the fields are too small but 2k claims they’re not.


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[Cardinal Sin]

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I agree that 2k needs to change Rec matchmaking because you have a HUGE (almost insurmountable really) advantage if you go in with a full squad of 5 and play against randoms, because
1.) You can communicate easily, 2.) you likely have chemistry, 3.) You likely have builds/lineups that work well together and space the floor appropriately. Yes you have an advantage in park too playing as a squad but you can still lose to randoms occasionally because the games are shorter (which increases the luck factor) and with less players on the court, team basketball is a bit less important.

My preferred solution would be for each Rec lobby to keep track of the maximum number of people who enter together as a squad, and then only match up that lobby with lobbies that have either the same number of squadded people or +- 1 of that number (I think matchmaking would take too long without the 1 person buffer). For example if 3 people join together, their lobby would only be matched with lobbies with 2,3 or 4 people squadded. If a full squad joined they would only be matched with lobbies with 4 or 5 people squadded. Finally this number would be displayed for everyone in the lobby to see before the game, so people can back out if they come in by themselves and realize they have been matched with a squad of 4 (so they would be only matched against squads of 3+). Although this might seem complicated I don't think it would be very difficult from an implementation standpoint since 2k clearly retains the squad (and thus the size) you enter REC with in its memory, evidenced by the fact that when you back out after a game your original squad stays in-tact.

The alternative solution is to make a rec game mode just for non-squads and another for squads, but if I am playing in a squad of 2 or 3 I still don't want to be playing against squads of 5 consistently so I prefer the first idea.

[ImInThis]

Re: Pro-Am Players in REC

According to 2k, the courts are real life sized compared to the player sizes.


The problem is that, while the above may be true, they probably did not take into account the invisible area around each player character. Which means the courts are actually too small.
This is why you can stand on the free throw line with hof intimidator and affect any shot in the paint and on top of the arc without moving.

An agile big with hof intimidator can contest everything except the deep corner threes from the free throw position in this game.

Which is why 5 out is so populair, it’s the only way to create a minimum of space needed to be able to play a resemblance of basketbal, without op lane steals and paint clogging.

For 2k21, if they don’t increase court size, i’m going to make a 3&D big out of the gate to start with again. You simply can’t make a better build as a random, because incomplete squads will love you and add you.


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Do they not listen to us or care?

2k needs to experiment with the court size. Release a patch to see how the community feels, and go from there rather it's making the court even bigger or reverting it. 5 Out does give indication that it's too small. Or maybe they make the players smaller?

I'm actually working on a 3&D big now and he's coming along well. 17 shooting badges, 20 Defensive. 70 3 ball. Speaking of which, how's the Pick & Popper badge? I'm not looking to score, but I'm thinking my offense will revolve around setting good picks with HOF Brick wall.

[eNPHAN]

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It’s not the court size it’s the size of players

2k tried to nerf attributes for height and while it’s not game changing, I think they made a great first step

The only time you see 7’3” centers is in rec....comp lineups typically have a 6’11” at the tallest. Some run 6’9”

The problem in past 2ks is that people were running

6’10” 6’10” 6’10” 7’3” 7’3”

What court is going to be large with those guys on it?

Often in 20 you’ll see lineups with 4 guards. The court is bigger in that instance.

I think it’s more realistic if they nerf passing lane animation speeds and increase the speed of the ball during a pass....

Also need to make dribbling much harder

I’d like something like a mistimed chain would result in you dribbling it off your foot while falling down.

Revert back to the original stamina, where it doesn’t reset on change of possession.

Make stamina more like fifa, where you can mash turbo and burn your entire bar right away. Holding turbo while the bar is gone gives you an injury and you play the rest of the game injured.

Those are three quick suggestions that I think would change some of the non-basketball meta haunting 2k.