Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Then look at the one Kushmir posted with Horford under the basket. By your own given rules, they're all staring down the ball handler, who is staring at Horford, a good seven feet behind them. The AI chooses to go straight through on an icon pass? That's not the right choice.

The hypocrisy of all of this argument is other worldly. The AI doesn't always choose the right pass with button inputs/selections. It needs to be improved. End of story.

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Coool lol.




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[mb625]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

They dont.

If you think Embiid was in the right position to make that pass then you have no idea.

The fact that you cant tell why it resulted in a turnover says enough.

Had embiid been face up towards horford he could have thrown a right handed pass around javelle and away from the side davis was on.
He could have tried to pass it with triangle.
He could have tried an icon pass.

Would it worked maybe.
Even so all would have been a better option then what he actually did....



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Again, there was a drop step animation that was mysteriously uncompleted that would have faced him in the right direction. I can tell why it might have resulted in a turnover. I can't tell why the logical pass is right at Davis. You shouldn't need icons to make the correct pass in that situation. Even with the icons, that pass is not getting through half the time at least. At worst, that's a pass out of bounds, not straight at Davis.

Once again, your argument is so far up its own butt that you're just blinded to it.

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[tru11]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Again, there was a drop step animation that was mysteriously uncompleted that would have faced him in the right direction. I can tell why it might have resulted in a turnover. I can't tell why the logical pass is right at Davis. You shouldn't need icons to make the correct pass in that situation. Even with the icons, that pass is not getting through half the time at least. At worst, that's a pass out of bounds, not straight at Davis.

Once again, your argument is so far up its own butt that you're just blinded to it.

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I know you cant tell.

That why you want the game to figure it out for you rather them figure it out for yourself.

Good luck.



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[mb625]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

I know you cant tell.

That why you want the game to figure it out for you rather them figure it out for yourself.

Good luck.



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I can tell why it would be a turnover. No basketball player worth their salt chooses to pass in that situation thinking "yeah I'm just gonna buzz it straight through two people." You're pressing pass in that situation to pass it *around* that traffic and I can just about guarantee that all four pass types lead to an interception animation in that situation. Maybe it does end up out of bounds. Fine. But the outcome received is not a logical one. The dropstep to face up is the right move. The pass is the right move. 2k's AI made an illogical choice after denying the ability to actually get into that good position because it was locked into a bad animation.

Get off the "I'm better than you" high horse and see this for what it is.

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[jfsolo]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

I can tell why it would be a turnover. No basketball player worth their salt chooses to pass in that situation thinking "yeah I'm just gonna buzz it straight through two people." You're pressing pass in that situation to pass it *around* that traffic and I can just about guarantee that all four pass types lead to an interception animation in that situation. Maybe it does end up out of bounds. Fine. But the outcome received is not a logical one. The dropstep to face up is the right move. The pass is the right move. 2k's AI made an illogical choice after denying the ability to actually get into that good position because it was locked into a bad animation.

Get off the "I'm better than you" high horse and see this for what it is.

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If someone can't see that passing in NBA 2K is really, really flawed, then there really isn't a discussion to be had.

[Cowboyfan_19]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Glad to see this thread has 5 stars. Just needed some validation on how garbage passing in this game truly is. Almost as awful as height mismatches in the post like Alonzo Mourning being trash for being short & Shawn Bradley being a god just for being tall, but that's a separate discussion in it's own.


Also, if I may add my 2 cents one more time, Kushmir is literally providing video evidence that shows 100% proof of the flawed passing, and there's guys still trying to dispute it? In all my years of coaching and watching basketball, I've never in my life gone up against a player with a 50 inch vertical that can steal a decent overhead lob pass to an open reciever. I'm sorry, but these are perfect reads being punished by awful 2k dictated pass animations.


I guess I'm gonna have to say "screw icon passing" and just tap Y the entire time to float the ball to an open man with a defender in between the 2 of us standing 20 ft apart right?

[Kushmir]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Glad to see this thread has 5 stars. Just needed some validation on how garbage passing in this game truly is. Almost as awful as height mismatches in the post like Alonzo Mourning being trash for being short & Shawn Bradley being a god just for being tall, but that's a separate discussion in it's own.


Also, if I may add my 2 cents one more time, Kushmir is literally providing video evidence that shows 100% proof of the flawed passing, and there's guys still trying to dispute it? In all my years of coaching and watching basketball, I've never in my life gone up against a player with a 50 inch vertical that can steal a decent overhead lob pass to an open reciever. I'm sorry, but these are perfect reads being punished by awful 2k dictated pass animations.

I guess I'm gonna have to say "screw icon passing" and just tap Y the entire time to float the ball to an open man with a defender in between the 2 of us standing 20 ft apart right?

[emoji23] AMEN. I collect vids for the devs because they're really specific about content sometimes. But they're also useful for getting on the same page on OS (sometimes we have different names for animations) but for sure--when you're out here disagreeing with video evidence basically because you took a strong position your pride won't let you relinquish? [emoji23] just lol. Shout out to the people who can change their minds when their belief system gets updated and accurate information.

Being LOUD and WRONG for the sake of argument isn't cute ya'll. [emoji1532]

[mb625]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Glad to see this thread has 5 stars. Just needed some validation on how garbage passing in this game truly is. Almost as awful as height mismatches in the post like Alonzo Mourning being trash for being short & Shawn Bradley being a god just for being tall, but that's a separate discussion in it's own.


Also, if I may add my 2 cents one more time, Kushmir is literally providing video evidence that shows 100% proof of the flawed passing, and there's guys still trying to dispute it? In all my years of coaching and watching basketball, I've never in my life gone up against a player with a 50 inch vertical that can steal a decent overhead lob pass to an open reciever. I'm sorry, but these are perfect reads being punished by awful 2k dictated pass animations.


I guess I'm gonna have to say "screw icon passing" and just tap Y the entire time to float the ball to an open man with a defender in between the 2 of us standing 20 ft apart right?

That's not even taking into account that the lob pass (not the alley oop, the straight overhead lob) is probably the worst pass in the entire game. Floats in and is intercepted about 3 out of every four times.

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[Kushmir]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

So we're discussing this and Lo and Behold I have a game where a good player takes full advantage of the bad passing mechanics in 2K.

Let me start off by saying we need serious change related to defensive plays made from behind. I'm not saying they should never be successful, just that the success rate can't be anything close to what we have now. The game actually rewards the "beat" defensive position and its puzzling--and bad gameplay.

Here's a few clips of that "rear block" animation they added that I HATE. It should have a really high foul outcome...like really high. ESPECIALLY for non-shot blockers. The last clip I get whistled when Korkmaz (bad defender) triggers it, which is exactly what should happen:

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So i'm playing this guy with Portland who's pretty good. He couldn't beat me but the 2K Algorithm decided i'd won too many in a row and so I was gonna have a bad game and a good opponent. So he's getting tons of offensive rebounds (i've never seen so many dunk putbacks in a game--he had like 5 or 6) i'm missing bunnies, that kind of thing.

Late in the 3rd he makes an adjustment related to what we're talking about here. He FRONTS Embiid. Why? Because passing sucks and he KNOWS IT. He can front Embiid to prevent me from getting him the ball at the elbow and since the lob doesn't work? That and blocks from behind will handle the rest. Here's the 4th quarter:

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Fortunately I can adjust with the best of them and pick up player tendencies really fast. I attacked him where he was weak on defense: LILLARD and CJ. FACT: The fouls that get called on Lillard should be the ones that send Embiid to the line when he seals guys...but the game makes recovery blocks from beat position too high percentage.

Same game. Yes that's 6'3" Simons with his 40 block rating: [emoji58]

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[Kushmir]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Another one. This time i'm throwing it back to Shake, and Harden....well, just watch.

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If zones have a player on every part of the court and their natural counter (ball movement) is this risky? There's literally no reason to play any other defense...seriously.

Give us the option to use verticality on passes like this.

[loso_34]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

this last patch (1.14) has made it even worse. feels like the passing panes were buffed..every team ive played in rec the past few days just presses and spams square in the lanes.

theres really no use passing lol. it has to be intentional.

[loso_34]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

That's not even taking into account that the lob pass (not the alley oop, the straight overhead lob) is probably the worst pass in the entire game. Floats in and is intercepted about 3 out of every four times.

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going forward you should have to read what type of pass it is when stealing. flick up if its a lob..down if bounce pass its too easy if all you gotta do is spam square.

[loso_34]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

Or gives up corner threes. In reality they guard the best shot in basketball SUPER AGGRESSIVELY...in 2K it can't hurt you consistently so we see zones from most of the "elite" players [emoji23]

Every year someone comes in telling us we're doing everything wrong...do what I do. Laugh it off.

not all teams the raptors give up corner 3’s..part of their gp.

[mb625]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

going forward you should have to read what type of pass it is when stealing. flick up if its a lob..down if bounce pass its too easy if all you gotta do is spam square.

Exactly. I'd have no problem with some of these "corrections" that people are insisting on if they actually mattered. Different pass types are basically useless in 2k20 because they can all be negated by one press of the square button which will take away every single one of them, regardless of whether or not the opponent was expecting that type of pass.

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[Kushmir]

Re: Is passing the ball a liability in this game?

going forward you should have to read what type of pass it is when stealing. flick up if its a lob..down if bounce pass its too easy if all you gotta do is spam square.

EXACTLY. Make steals skilled based and we'll see who really is a good pickpocket and who's only good at pressing square [emoji849] I wrote this last year:

"Guys think they're good at stealing the ball? PROVE IT. Passing lane steals should be L2 + R-Stick in the direction they think the pass is going. UP for a lob pass, down for a bounce pass and Left or Right relative to their position. For example: Trying to steal the inbound pass to Brogdon in the image below would mean holding L2 and flicking the R-Stick right, for a pass to Bledsoe the defender would flick Left.

A steal attempt would make the defender lunge in that direction so they would have to stop/gather after a miss. Guessing wrong means the defender would risk taking themselves out of the play. Let's do away with these ridiculous instances where defenders can spam steal until the ball comes because the EZ MODE mechanics do the hard part FOR them."

This would also add to the strategy part of the game and make the offense mix up their pass types. EVERYBODY WINS. [emoji362] [emoji362] [emoji362]