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  • Masai
    Rookie
    • Dec 2019
    • 166

    #91
    Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

    Originally posted by Kushmir
    SO MUCH THIS. We have to acknowledge who they're competing with...its the top dogs of online gaming. Its not even other sports games at this stage.
    It gets worse since they’re under the same Umbrella as Rockstar and GTA, so technically they’re not really competing. Its more like a monopoly

    its them vs Fortnite

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    • Mikexl
      Rookie
      • Nov 2019
      • 27

      #92
      Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

      NBA 2K20 made over a billion in sales and micro-transactions. There is no go back now, it's over. You think the developers give a **** about sim players at this point? LOL

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      • Johnnythelegend
        Pro
        • Mar 2010
        • 812

        #93
        Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

        That's quite sad, it's like there is no other value besides money. There are still games like Football Manager, Europa Universalis, Crusader Kings etc that are extremely hard for someone who picks them up the first time but are magnificent games and true fans of the genre love them and you can spend hours enjoying these game and when you learn how to play it's extremely rewarding. And the important this is, they are not so money hungry.

        Why is it normal that people are going after money only. That's why 2k earns money now more than ever, there are more players playing it than every, but most true fans of basketball love it a bit less every year and are nostalgic about older versions of the game.


        Personally, this is the first time in the last 10 years I am not preordering the game. I wanna see what it's going to look like, because I am not so sure anymore that I will get the basketball game that I am going to enjoy. And yeah, sim players are a minority, especially compared to the park/arcade type of players, so 2k, if money is really the only thing they care about, won't be bothered by smaller number of us.

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        • jk31
          MVP
          • Sep 2014
          • 2662

          #94
          Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

          Originally posted by Mikexl
          NBA 2K20 made over a billion in sales and micro-transactions. There is no go back now, it's over. You think the developers give a **** about sim players at this point? LOL

          I think the developers actually do. But not the guys above them in charge of everything.

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          • MrWrestling3
            MVP
            • May 2015
            • 1146

            #95
            Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

            Originally posted by jk31
            I think the developers actually do. But not the guys above them in charge of everything.
            I agree.As people have said, I think if Mike,Czar and those guys had the control to make the game 100% the way they wanted you'd see a pretty different product than what we're currently getting.

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            • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
              Banned
              • Jul 2019
              • 359

              #96
              Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

              I wonder how much of 2K Twitter is this:



              "Dude if I pay 70 bucks for a game I want to be able to make Wilt my starting PG if I so desire..WTF?"

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              • daveberg
                MVP
                • Sep 2008
                • 2788

                #97
                Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

                I turned my back on online gaming years ago. Even the apparent sim leagues were full of guys who abused certain exploits in a crafty fashion in order to get a win. Now you can buy your way to victories - casuals are living the dream.

                I've zero interest in fantasy modes, virtual currency or playing dress up with a created player, yet sadly have to endure a game that's almost entirely geared to that style of stuff. It's just a version of the Sims with included hoops now, which is no doubt stifling the other, actual dedicated NBA modes.

                Online multiplayer is a blessing to some, but a curse to the rest of us, as it caters to a demographic who's input ends up being detrimental to sim gaming.

                I know many are against it, but I'd gladly pay for a dedicated NBA game that's completely outside the boundaries of all the fantasy/park/my player modes. A title that can have the love and attention that it needs to produce the best sim environment possible, without it having to direct resources with the likes of virtual currency and putting a custom piece of attire on a fairy tale player, before he spams the park up.

                Grandpa rant over.
                -----------------------------------------
                NBA 2K Retro Hoops gameplay

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                • CaseIH
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 3945

                  #98
                  Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

                  Originally posted by TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                  I see 2K going the way of NBA Live if they forget about the fans that got them to where they are - real basketball sim heads, and credibility that they have given 2K by approving of the game over the years on the realistic aspects of the game that 2K was able to achieve. Guess what 2K, if real ballers start heavily trash talking your product, you lose all credibility in the basketball world. The casuals will follow, and be on to the next trendy game. Gameplay is still king. Do you you know what happens when the game goes Full Arcade? The hardcore players abandon the game because might as well play NBA Street or NBA Jam. Realism means rewarding realism and IQ. If that incentive is gone, there's no point in playing. 2K20 is *somewhat* realistic. Go full arcade and it's a wrap.





                  They basically ask Agent00, what gameplay improvements do you want? I wouldn't exactly call him the beacon of basketball knowledge or having high bball iq. He's a casual gamer.

                  "
                  - I want more effective animations (read: cheese. he was basically upset behind the back move was nerfed).
                  - I do get simulation, but I play videogames to HAVE FUN
                  - More fast paced
                  "

                  Aka

                  "Realism is icky"
                  "I'm playing a videogame, I don't want to think or have to use my brain or have any negative consequences from my low iq, it needs to be dumbed down and easy. Just give me a glitch move I can spam so I can post it on youtube like I have skills". Lol


                  Of course videogames should be fun, but a lot of people find realism to be fun. Unrealistic bs and cheese doesn't = "fun", it just becomes annoying that bums get rewarded. Or if defense isn't rewarded, it becomes like "what's the point?". Less badge grinding would make the game more fun for sure.

                  You know us diehard basketball fans are in trouble, when the the devs are taking the opinion of casuals clowns like this, who clearly doesnt want a basketball simulation. But its these types, that those at NBA2k are catering too now days, and not the true basketball fans.

                  You cant make a basketball simulation, when your basing gameplay on human vs human only, which is whats been happening, and why for the last few yrs now, there has been a lack of fouls being called when playing vs the CPU, especially with the lack of charges and shooting fouls on 3pt attempts.

                  This game has become NBA in name only, it no longer represents the NBA in gameplay and why the sim engine is still crap. Its become a playground rec center fantasy video game. Its these types of players, who are buying VC to build there virtual player up, to play in park and rec modes online, that 2k is making a lot of money on, so making a true NBA simulation is not their goal anymore. Its a shame, because its just a few things that need fixed and us My League players, would be happy. But were the minority now, so it is what it is. I dont think there is enough of us left, that would make it financially feasible for another company to come out with a true basketball simulation of the NBA, so its either live with a flawed NBA2k, and just enjoy it for what it is, or simply not buy the game.
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                  • MrWrestling3
                    MVP
                    • May 2015
                    • 1146

                    #99
                    Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

                    Originally posted by NoLeafClover
                    It's funny, you can basically follow the share price graph of Take Two and coincide it with the introduction of VC and when the series started to become more and more targeted at the "McDonalds/Fortnite" audience:



                    In summary: we're screwed
                    Yep, that graph is the most succinct explanation of why the current gameplay philosophy and VC aren't changing anytime soon you could ask for.
                    Last edited by MrWrestling3; 08-21-2020, 03:15 PM.

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                    • The 24th Letter
                      ERA
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 39373

                      #100
                      Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

                      Lol, that has a lot more to do with their acquisitions and the monster games they've released during that timeline.

                      Sim vs. Arcade basketball gameplay is the last thing they're discussing in board meetings.

                      but as far VC/micros etc....definitely here to stay.

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                      • ksuttonjr76
                        All Star
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 8662

                        #101
                        Re: 2K needs to stop asking casual Park players like Agent00 about gameplay

                        To the Old Sim Heads:

                        I promise you, MyPlayer REC is really not that bad of mode. I used to exclusively play PNO, but the change to REC has surprisedly been a nice change of pace.

                        Side Note: I would NEVER recommend MyPark, lol. That mode needs to die.

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