NBA 2K21 Next-Gen Gameplay Video with the Developers - New Game Modes & Features to be Revealed Thursday

[haloofduty]

Re: NBA 2K21 Next-Gen Gameplay Video with the Developers - New Game Modes & Features

Seems like alot of you (NOT ALL!) have a agenda. Trash the game because your not getting it. I didn't say all. I keep seeing certain names pop up over and over trashing it. Here's the reality. I keep seeing its a cosmetic upgrade lol. Keep telling yourself that. When I load this up on my 4k TV with instant load OMG!

You guys been talking about foot planting for YEARSSSSS. Skating for YEARSSSSS. This has been one of the top issues on operation sports for YEARSSSS Now it seems VASTLY improved and you like "its the same game" Really? Can you imagine playing it with this new foot planting technology WHILE instantly loading WHILE soaking up the improved graphics WITH improved game modes. Come on guys. Seems like some (some) just trying to convince themselves.

Everything we found out so far current generation seems like the ultimate trash. My opinion. I won't touch it. We all know ng gonna kill current. The same game? Really? Is it gonna be the same tomorrow with improved game modes? Now don't throw hissy fits I said SOME of you are just hatin.

I will leave my next generation review when I get it. My review after I PLAY the game on a 4K TV with the controller in my hands. Not my review of a 3 min 1080p video. Same game?

[kjwill22]

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Seems like alot of you (NOT ALL!) have a agenda. Trash the game because your not getting it. I didn't say all. I keep seeing certain names pop up over and over trashing it. Here's the reality. I keep seeing its a cosmetic upgrade lol. Keep telling yourself that. When I load this up on my 4k TV with instant load OMG!



You guys been talking about foot planting for YEARSSSSS. Skating for YEARSSSSS. This has been one of the top issues on operation sports for YEARSSSS Now it seems VASTLY improved and you like "its the same game" Really? Can you imagine playing it with this new foot planting technology WHILE instantly loading WHILE soaking up the improved graphics WITH improved game modes. Come on guys. Seems like some (some) just trying to convince themselves.



Everything we found out so far current generation seems like the ultimate trash. My opinion. I won't touch it. We all know ng gonna kill current. The same game? Really? Is it gonna be the same tomorrow with improved game modes? Now don't throw hissy fits I said SOME of you are just hatin.



I will leave my next generation review when I get it. My review after I PLAY the game on a 4K TV with the controller in my hands. Not my review of a 3 min 1080p video. Same game?

You saying 4k tv all caps like you the only person who got one we have a 4k tv in every room in my house. We’ve had 4k tvs since 2014


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[Goffs]

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Ok I'll say it. I'm more underwhelmed with the animations. I think many here are finally seeing it. I noticed it from the very first vid. When they said ground up I was expecting a whole new type of animation movement.

You can have this vid at 8k and it wouldn't make a difference since I will still see the 2kism.

Maybe in the future. I do look forward on creating my big next gen. God I do hope that I can finally create a pure rim protector without him moving like a slug. He doesn't turn around at all when playing defense sometimes. I'm sure other bigs here can relate.

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[haloofduty]

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You saying 4k tv all caps like you the only person who got one we have a 4k tv in every room in my house. We’ve had 4k tvs since 2014


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Kinda obvious I meant playing it at home on the proper TV. Some things go over people head I guess

[scottyp180]

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1. Not only is the crowd real, it’s from the actual arenas for all 30 teams.. this was added a few years ago

3. They have tons of arena specific PA cues and chants, there’s thousands of them.. not up to date enough for you?

1. Maybe it's the way the crowd sound is mix but to me it just doesn't sound the same as an actual broadcast. I also feel like there is a mix of actual real crowd noise from arenas and some generic crowd noise. Some reactions sound more authentic while others sound generic.

3. I'm sure they do but I also hear plenty of generic ones as well. I remember the year they introduced the authentic crowd noise and there were plenty of fans that watch and attend games calling out the inaccuracies. People that know the arenas can point out what sounds authentic and what doesn't, what chants certain arenas chant and which ones they don't.
It might sound great if you don't know the arenas but when you do any inaccuracies jumps out at you.

I'm not expecting perfection I'm just pointing out things that could make atmosphere a bit better. Really the biggest one is the one you didnt mention, more accurate reactions. It's gotten better but there are still plenty of times when the crowd is quiet or cheering at wrong time.

[scottyp180]

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Spoiler

Ok I'll say it. I'm more underwhelmed with the animations. I think many here are finally seeing it. I noticed it from the very first vid. When they said ground up I was expecting a whole new type of animation movement.

You can have this vid at 8k and it wouldn't make a difference since I will still see the 2kism.

Maybe in the future. I do look forward on creating my big next gen. God I do hope that I can finally create a pure rim protector without him moving like a slug. He doesn't turn around at all when playing defense sometimes. I'm sure other bigs here can relate.

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2K seems to use the term "ground up" very loosely. I'm excited for the game, I feel like I'm one of the more optimistic people on here, but this doesn't fit my definition of "ground up." To me, and many others, ground up means everything is built from the ground up. Brand new everything. This essentially is the same 2k with modifications.

But I've been a fan long enough to know that this isn't the first time 2k hyped something up that didn't quite live up to what they said. I can see why people are disappointed but I guess I'm not completely surprised. Plus typically when sports games truly are rebuilt from the ground up or introduce a brand new engine it's one step forward 2 or more steps back. Usually there will be a better foundation but other areas of gameplay are worse than they were before. In a way I'm disappointed this doesnt look unlike any 2k before it but I'm also a little relieved it's not one of those "new engine" situations where it will take 2 or 3 years for the game to truly reach it's potential with this year being a rough draft.

All that said, end of the day I'm sure I'll love the game. There is plenty of new here for me to enjoy. I've played and liked iterations with far less improvements than this. But for others I guess it's understandable why they expected more after hearing "built from the ground up."

[vetmin]

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This thread is mostly a big debate that I have little interest in, but re: this comment:

No...the way people be complaining around here they WERE expecting every damn legacy issue to be addressed and EVERY player model to be spot on. So no, I disagree with your assessment that people weren't expecting some phenomenal leap in graphics and gameplay. My expectations were tempered a long time ago due to COVID-19 and most developers are working from home now. I work from home myself, so I know FOR FACT that the experience and resources available to you is no where near like it would be in the actual building. If we didn't have a pandemic happening, then yes...I would be expecting more, because they could have 100% dedicated time and effort to the current AND next-gen games.

As someone who found the initial trailer a little disappointing (not the Zion one, but the one with actual on-the-court footage), that disappointment goes 100% back to 2K's claim that they were building this game "from the ground up." You make the point that the pandemic may have kept them from addressing certain nagging legacy issues, but if they were truly building the game "from the ground up," the very concept of a legacy issue is just nonsensical. There would surely be bugs and design missteps, but they would be new problems in what would be overall a much-improved game architecture.

To give an example in a different sector: Most people here probably aren't familiar with musical notation software, but for many years the industry standards have been these two programs called Sibelius and Finale, both of which are great but have legacy issues, inefficiencies, and limitations that the developers cannot effectively address because they're at the core of the software's architecture. They'd essentially have to start from scratch and create an entirely new product to fix them. Recently, another company came along and poached a lot of the Sibelius developer team to build a new, competing notation software called Dorico, which during its development was being hyped as "built from the ground up" to avoid the limitations everyone hates in the older programs. When it was released, it totally lived up to the hype, and even though for the first year the program was too buggy and lacking in features to truly replace the older, more mature software, it was clearly based on totally fresh code that had MUCH more potential / flexibility. Now it's far and away the best notation program, and users of the old programs are mostly just holdovers who learned how to make-do with those programs' limitations and don't want to learn a whole new way of doing things.

Now, in the above case, the developers of the new program had no choice but to build it from the ground up, since they were working with a new company that didn't hold the patents for the older programs. 2K was under no such legal burden, but they DID make the claim that they would be building the game from the ground up to take advantage of new possibilities on next-gen, and that just wasn't true. This wasn't a casualty of the pandemic either, since in order to do what they were claiming, they would've had to start WAY earlier than that and probably would've had to have been 100% done with the underlying engine before the pandemic even happened, in order to allow for time to do cosmetic things. I totally give 2K a pass for all of the pandemic-related shortcomings, like not launching with all new face scans, etc., but this is not one of them.

Ultimately my mood re: next-gen is just that I'm very mildly bummed. Current-gen 2K is already a phenomenal game and it'll be all the more fun on next-gen, which I had always planned on getting for 2K22 anyway. But still, it's like if you went to Disney World, got in line to get in, overheard someone saying there's some new rollercoaster that just opened, then get in the park only to find that the new rollercoaster is in fact NOT open to the public yet. Like, yeah, that's disappointing, just because you were explicitly expecting something that didn't materialize, but still, you're at Disney World. Can't be too mad. That's where I'm at, personally.

[ForeverVersatile]

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Gameplay looks pretty solid, the court and lighting is just amazing..

But there is a certain degree of looking cartoon-ish (for lack of a better word) that I just didn't expect when the jump to next gen happened. Maybe it's just something that will work itself out over the next couple of years though. It's there with the players but especially there with Allie LaForce, it's not bad it just feels like a cross between real life and a Disney character. She definitely doesn't look "next gen", she hardly looks current gen.

Steph's random hunched over dribbling pre-game looks strange. And around the 40 second mark Jrue and BI are both rocking side to side in the same exact rhythm with the same expressions and head movements.... Just looks like something you would expect from way back in 2k6 or something like they had just added pre-game scenes, not something they've been working on for 20 years and now have "next gen" capabilities and it's still bad.

In the little footage I've seen the hands seem off too. Not grabbing the rims during dunks, Zion is adjusting his shorts around the 1 minute mark but isn't actually touching/doing anything, looks like his hands are stiff with frostbite or something. Not enough close ups to see how they look when catching a pass or dribbling.. It's weird because it seems like that's something that has taken a step backwards for whatever reason.

Crowd still looks pretty stale.

I'm usually in here every year telling everyone griping that they are being ridiculous and that the game looks amazing given the capabilities.. But I find myself on the other side this year. Perhaps I expected too much from "next gen" but I'm just not overly impressed with what little I've seen thus far. This seems like a substantially smaller jump than the jump to 2k14, I think everyone was blown away with that jump.

You're being a little too nit picky. No game has mastered physical object interaction yet and use very similar techniques.

This stuff is a lot worse in other third person games, for example feet going into the floor when walking or feet not touching stairs. Another example would be going into cover, in games like Metal Gear Solid 5 or Assassins Creed (before Origins), their backs and hand are clearly not touching anything.

It won't bother you unless you go in replay and look at it closely.



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[ksuttonjr76]

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This thread is mostly a big debate that I have little interest in, but re: this comment:



As someone who found the initial trailer a little disappointing (not the Zion one, but the one with actual on-the-court footage), that disappointment goes 100% back to 2K's claim that they were building this game "from the ground up." You make the point that the pandemic may have kept them from addressing certain nagging legacy issues, but if they were truly building the game "from the ground up," the very concept of a legacy issue is just nonsensical. There would surely be bugs and design missteps, but they would be new problems in what would be overall a much-improved game architecture.

To give an example in a different sector: Most people here probably aren't familiar with musical notation software, but for many years the industry standards have been these two programs called Sibelius and Finale, both of which are great but have legacy issues, inefficiencies, and limitations that the developers cannot effectively address because they're at the core of the software's architecture. They'd essentially have to start from scratch and create an entirely new product to fix them. Recently, another company came along and poached a lot of the Sibelius developer team to build a new, competing notation software called Dorico, which during its development was being hyped as "built from the ground up" to avoid the limitations everyone hates in the older programs. When it was released, it totally lived up to the hype, and even though for the first year the program was too buggy and lacking in features to truly replace the older, more mature software, it was clearly based on totally fresh code that had MUCH more potential / flexibility. Now it's far and away the best notation program, and users of the old programs are mostly just holdovers who learned how to make-do with those programs' limitations and don't want to learn a whole new way of doing things.

Now, in the above case, the developers of the new program had no choice but to build it from the ground up, since they were working with a new company that didn't hold the patents for the older programs. 2K was under no such legal burden, but they DID make the claim that they would be building the game from the ground up to take advantage of new possibilities on next-gen, and that just wasn't true. This wasn't a casualty of the pandemic either, since in order to do what they were claiming, they would've had to start WAY earlier than that and probably would've had to have been 100% done with the underlying engine before the pandemic even happened, in order to allow for time to do cosmetic things. I totally give 2K a pass for all of the pandemic-related shortcomings, like not launching with all new face scans, etc., but this is not one of them.

Ultimately my mood re: next-gen is just that I'm very mildly bummed. Current-gen 2K is already a phenomenal game and it'll be all the more fun on next-gen, which I had always planned on getting for 2K22 anyway. But still, it's like if you went to Disney World, got in line to get in, overheard someone saying there's some new rollercoaster that just opened, then get in the park only to find that the new rollercoaster is in fact NOT open to the public yet. Like, yeah, that's disappointing, just because you were explicitly expecting something that didn't materialize, but still, you're at Disney World. Can't be too mad. That's where I'm at, personally.

Personally, I believe people are thinking too much into a few 3-7 second clips, screenshots, and a 3 minute video to something, but really showed nothing. I'm guilty of it too when discussing the MyPlayer builder, but 95% of my "opinion" will be based on when I actually play the game. As someone stated earlier, I'm giving pretty much giving all game companies a pass this year due to COVID-19. As far as I'm concern, none of the next-gen games are absolutely blowing me out of the water. I'm excited for the "little" things, but there's not a single game that's going to make consumers absolutely lust for a next-gen console.

You mentioned that would have needed to start early therefore the game shouldn't be a "casualty" of the pandemic...how do you know that the bulk of their development wasn't intended for until after March?

[sva91]

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I really don’t get why ppl feel the need to defend 2k at every turn. I get that beluba is cool and generally NBA2k has had a good relationship with OS dating back to 10-15 years ago, but they are not a startup, they’re one of the biggest game developers on the planet. These pandemic excuses are so whack. They’ve most likely been working on this game for years, do you really think the legacy issues were going to get ironed out in the past 6 months?

NBA2k is a business not a charity, I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, as ridiculous as some may be. I have zero interest in myplayer or neighborhood or what have you, but I am not going to argue with someone else who has a different complaint than I do. People who feel the need to defend 2k vs any criticism really need to sit back.

The game is really going to halt its progression if ppl keep blindly defending it instead of calling them out on what they can and should change or improve upon.


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[Dione2014]

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Lol I have 2 4K displays in just my room alone. Most of the people here getting the game probably have 4K tvs

You saying 4k tv all caps like you the only person who got one we have a 4k tv in every room in my house. We’ve had 4k tvs since 2014


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[The 24th Letter]

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There's a reason the tag line "built from the ground up" was followed by "Next Gen graphics, load times, and power."

They didn't say all prior animation assets were discarded and replaced, legacy issues were resolved, or that every player had been scanned or updated to match their present real life physical appearance.

It means the game was optimized for the next gen systems. Just like 2K14 was. That game was still very much, "2K", and 2K21 will be as well.

Horizon, Spiderman MM, Sackboy were all said to be "built from the ground up" for PS5 as well. I can guarantee you there won't be new levels, characters and story elements because of that claim. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you take it that way.

That said, I don't blame people for their overall "next gen" expectations not being met, depending on what they were. Luckily 2K is one of the few games to show some real, raw gameplay...so an informed decision can be made.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I really don’t get why ppl feel the need to defend 2k at every turn. I get that beluba is cool and generally NBA2k has had a good relationship with OS dating back to 10-15 years ago, but they are not a startup, they’re one of the biggest game developers on the planet. These pandemic excuses are so whack. They’ve most likely been working on this game for years, do you really think the legacy issues were going to get ironed out in the past 6 months?

NBA2k is a business not a charity, I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, as ridiculous as some may be. I have zero interest in myplayer or neighborhood or what have you, but I am not going to argue with someone else who has a different complaint than I do. People who feel the need to defend 2k vs any criticism really need to sit back.

The game is really going to halt its progression if ppl keep blindly defending it instead of calling them out on what they can and should change or improve upon.


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Then why don't go work for them and show them how it's done during a pandemic?

I CLEARLY stated that I'm giving ALL game companies a pass this year. I CLEARLY said that there hasn't been any next-gen GAMES that has blown me out of the water yet. I'm excited for some, but I have tempered expectations.

You need to chill with your condensing and "the sky is falling" weak mindset. You would have an argument against me if I was saying that NBA 2K21 was going to be the greatest next-gen game ever. But I haven't said that, have I?

[ksuttonjr76]

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Truthfully, I don't know how some of y'all find the time to enjoy the game as much analyzing y'all do of the game.

[Da_Czar]

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[QUOTE=KyotoCarl;2050249060]That's not what I mean. Back then, ten years ago, if you played a new game on the hardware of the time you did have long loading times. If you played it today on a new machine you get short load times, because the computer loads an older game faster since, as you say, it wasn't as complex as today.

Fallout New Vegas had long load times when you entered or exited a building, but if I play it today on my computer the load time is a fraction of it. GTA IV, or Red Dead Redemption 2, takes a relatively long time to load on the PS4, even though it was developed for that specific hardware.

That's what I'm saying. The ultra quick load time we saw from team select screen to in game tells me that this is more or less just a graphics upgrade instead of a whole next-gen overhaul of a game.[/QUOTE]

Whew... Tough room.