I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebound?

[dwayne12345]

Re: I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebou

You need length for paint defense and rebounding more than you need strength. Strength is overall important in basketball but not specifically important.


Strength lets you hold your position and not getting bullied, but being a musclehead wont help you stop Kevin Durant or LeBron from finishing around the rim.


Strength + length is great but if you have to choose 1, long skinny arms will always beat out 60 pounds of muscle.

[tru11]

Re: I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebou

Tbh there is nothing that will stop the likes of lebron and durant from finishing at the rim lol

Is there a reason why some forget the importance of fighting for positon and boxing out when it comes to rebounding?

I mean length and athletic ability is pretty much useless when someone is boxing you out unless you plan on getting an over the back foul.

Post offense and defense is pretty much strength vs strength.

Athletic ability and length are much needed when contesting though.
However even that is pretty much about timing more then anything.




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[ILLSmak]

Re: I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebou

You need length for paint defense and rebounding more than you need strength. Strength is overall important in basketball but not specifically important.


Strength lets you hold your position and not getting bullied, but being a musclehead wont help you stop Kevin Durant or LeBron from finishing around the rim.


Strength + length is great but if you have to choose 1, long skinny arms will always beat out 60 pounds of muscle.

It's like tru said, you don't stop people who are coming at you, you stop them before they can get their feet down, you prevent them from creating forward momentum.


It might sound like a strange question but if length matters so much on defense, why does strength matter so much on offense? Think of guys like Harden who are just super super strong and can go where-ever they want with their body.



Take a full jump, then have your friend stand in front of you and jump again. You jump less. Have them lean a little. Have them seal their body to yours. Physics is an interesting thing. It's interesting the small areas these guys can work with. But the limbs are just the end result. Another example of someone w/ genius level body control that turned it into strength is Shawn Kemp because every time your body went against his, he would be able to almost 'gain' from that physical contact and twist or get a little higher etc. Seems kind of off topic, but all of this is what goes into basketball.



Hands are cool to wave around and with pick and rolls that matters, but inside I don't think length matters much without strength. There are prol been more lengthy athletic stiffs than just flat footed "paint beast" 7'3 guys that failed in the NBA.



-Smak

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebou

It's like tru said, you don't stop people who are coming at you, you stop them before they can get their feet down, you prevent them from creating forward momentum.


It might sound like a strange question but if length matters so much on defense, why does strength matter so much on offense? Think of guys like Harden who are just super super strong and can go where-ever they want with their body.



Take a full jump, then have your friend stand in front of you and jump again. You jump less. Have them lean a little. Have them seal their body to yours. Physics is an interesting thing. It's interesting the small areas these guys can work with. But the limbs are just the end result. Another example of someone w/ genius level body control that turned it into strength is Shawn Kemp because every time your body went against his, he would be able to almost 'gain' from that physical contact and twist or get a little higher etc. Seems kind of off topic, but all of this is what goes into basketball.



Hands are cool to wave around and with pick and rolls that matters, but inside I don't think length matters much without strength. There are prol been more lengthy athletic stiffs than just flat footed "paint beast" 7'3 guys that failed in the NBA.



-Smak

Shawn Bradley anyone?

[ILLSmak]

Re: I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebou

Shawn Bradley anyone?

not gonna hate on sb, manute, gheorge, yao, even Tacko, those guys go in...more or less. I mean they make use of their size and have varying levels of strength, too.


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haha tho. But yea gimme a 6'10 brute over the 7'6 skinny guy.

Also another thing to mention is these lengthy big doods were generally poor rebounders. Guys like Gobert are legit obv, but I dunno if he's really weak, per se. Most of their stuff wasn't really post defense as much as help defense.



I'm glad that 2k is moving away from the big guys make the best rebounders, but they gotta work more. Gotta make rebs go to spots more than staying around the rim, but its cool to be able to seal those guys off the glass w/ a 6'9 guy and not have them just reach over your back and grab it.


-Smak

[ImInThis]

Re: I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebou

I mean, I think there is definitely some nostalgia goggles going on here with Rodman. He wasn't a banger. That just wasn't his game. People are just overly-fixated on one playoff series that we watched as kids.

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There is nothing here that suggests he was "functionally 90 Strength" in terms of application.

The entire discussion boils down to a faulty premise. We might as well be saying "Kobe was functionally 90 strength because don't you need Strength to be a good post player"? Obviously that is not the case given the vast physical differences between a Michael Jordan and a Shaquille O'Neal. Why would defense be any different?

Post Defense & Rebounding are skills, Strength is part of athletic ability. High strength might increase effectiveness in an area (just as high Vertical or Speed might), but there is no direct correlation.

Rodman was an incredible rebounder because he was everywhere on the court, not because he was bullying people out of the way. He was a good defensive player because he knew how to use his leverage, had great hands for poking the ball away, reaction time, didn't bite on pump fakes, etc.




The key distinction here is Rodman is one of the All-Time great defensive players and the GOAT rebounder (elite ratings/badges), whereas Gallinari is decidedly below average in these areas (50s/60s ratings). By the same coin, Gallinari takes contact better on offense - they are simply applying it in different ways based on their skill sets. (They are also playing in eras where different skills are being featured).

(The same people fixated on Rodman banging w/ Shaq are often going to be the same ones who'd think LeBron at 6'9" / 250 would be too soft for the 90s. If Rodman was functionally a 90, what's LeBron, 120? What's Shaq, 200?)

But Rodman had way more than 25 strength. 25 strength isn't even G-League, it's not even high school level attribute.

[ILLSmak]

Re: I'm no pro basketball player, but don't you need strength for paint defense/rebou

Shawn Bradley anyone?

Damn. Was thinking of this. Damn.



-Smak