New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive Mechanic, Dribbling Improvements & Much More

[Yallasama]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

As someone who didn't play 2k21, can someone explain in a simple way what shot aiming is? Whatever it was, if the developers feel it was great and it was only an option, then I really don't understand taking it out. 2k in general seems very insecure and very little seems to come from their own wish to make things better.

So if not enough people speak up, things will stay the same. Like my most wanted wish of more passing options, it's been 20+ years since it's inception and not once have they even tried. Guaranteed if they'd give us more options to throw accurate passes, with control over speed and the way it's thrown, I'm sure there will be lots of praise. Not in the least because it limits the amount of dumb fast break passes and passes that get intercepted by the CPU.

I think fans having this much influence on a game is the most concerning, it's like NRS giving fans a DLC character for Mortal Kombat because hundreds of people whine and curse out developers about the inclusion of their favourite, even reacting to personal tweets about someone dying etc. The one time it really worked out was for Sonic the Hedgehog movie where the design was so bad and so far off what we know, that the backlash was deserved and luckily they listened.

I appreciate for developers in general to listen to fan bases, but the gaming community has become so vocal, toxic and influential that they almost have to listen. Especially in the fighting game community with YouTube and Twitch professionals get paid big sponsor money to speak about games and if they dislike it, then that's bad publicity they cannot afford. Luckily 2k is not in the position of losing fans over this, their game has a monopoly on the market.

However, not having any competition has caused 2k to be a bit lazy in my opinion in really bringing the game to another level. Rather they focus on gimmicks and cater to online casual players, so you get grand theft auto like modes and a card game. The offline player and accuracy and control of players then gets devalued and in fact neglected to a certain degree. Classic teams and players looks, tendencies and ratings for example.

2k goes for sexy, flashy, which I cannot fault them for necessarily, but a 75th anniversary game with no focus on anything classic is odd. Also with 2 weeks left, still no trailer or blog posts, WTF?! You expect people to pre-order when we get some info through a tweet reaction that gets deleted right after...I mean come on, nobody can excuse 2k at this point for their strategy at least. As far as improving the game, sure they tweak things here and there, but all these gimmicks like green release etc. just seem like such a waste of time and money.

Just try to work on the fundamental aspects of the game and make sure you as developers think it's the best it can be. Be confident in the quality of your product and forget about whiny fans - including me. The changes post release to the point where the game you start off with plays so different only a few months later needs to stop. As far as confidence, I think one of the reasons 2k changes so much, is because they really are not themselves happy with the product and for good reason.

As great as 2k looks and plays, there's still some simple options they could and should add that would go a much longer way in being a great basketball game than focusing on gimmicks, all these online modes that have very little to do with the game of basketball, and changing aspects for the sake of change or because fans 'demand' it. The catering to fans is a double-edged sword, you kind of allow people to think they have power so they will continue to demand and ask for changes.

I will continue to hope we will get more options to control the players, but after 20+ years, I'm not hopeful, since most people will buy it regardless. Unless EA comes back with a bang. I'm actually really disappointed the most with next gen consoles not add another stick or more buttons to give some of these games like NBA2k the opportunity to add more options. There's only so much developers can do with 8 buttons. It might actually a miracle that they've given us as many options as they have.

I'll try to appreciate the game, but I haven't bought NBA2k upon release since 16. Probably 2k's peak aside from the early games is 2011-2014. My favorite is still 2k8, followed by 2k12 and 13. I've bought 2k18 and 19 at some point, but returned 18 after 1-2 weeks, bought and enjoyed NBA live 2018 much more. Played 19 for quite a while for the lack of alternatives, but actually since 2013/14 there hasn't been much to cheer about.

The only significant changes are more classic players / teams, overall graphics and some minor additions like an extra assistant coach and more accurate GM / owner experience (contracts, relocation, control over all teams etc.) and more options commentary wise. Adding a fulltime crew in Hill & Anderson was the most significant and impactful move in 10 years imo. Maybe 2k22 will surprise us, but I feel it might take until 24/25 to really get something revolutionary to make me truly come back to it.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

That's fine if that's how you see it. Seems odd to me. Plenty of stuff to be playing in the interim, but then, it all depends on if you're into other games. If you're not, then the choice to hold off is understandable.



I don't buy consoles on the premise of purchasing just a single game. There's tons of stuff out there I've got on the go right now, next to 2K. I'd personally feel like I'd be wasting money if I purchased my PS5 for a solitary game, but to each their own.

You're taking this way too literal. You actually think that people only have NBA 2K21 in their library and no other games to play. There's a difference between buying a next-gen console to play only and only one game on it versus buying a console because you want to experience the next-gen version of your favorite game.

With backwards compatibility and Xbox Game Pass, it's impossible to purchase a next-gen console without having other games to play.

[mb625]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Zens never factored in for me, at all, being an exclusive offline player. I could care less about online cheese or cheaters. I don't have to worry about those shenanigans, luckily, but feel for those of you who do.



Personally I thought the shot aiming was cumbersome and took away the full functionality of the shot stick. Not to mention added yet another distraction on screen, making it feel even more arcade like.



The options to revert to other control schemes were lacking, either being forced to use the lackluster button or only given 'down' on the stick as an option to shoot.



Considering the shot stick has been the same for years, in terms of holding it in any direction to shoot, then stripping us of that after all this time - was a lot to digest after so many years of a very familiar system.



I could've progressed with it, not like it was hard to grasp, but it simply didn't feel like an effective way to shoot compared to years past, and was nothing short of a further distraction, as mentioned.



Glad they're leaning more towards 2k20's controls. Will feel much more like 'home' in that regard. For me, anyway.

Right and I understand that. But the issue is that if *that* was the issue for most, it could have stayed with adjustments with that flaw in mind. I never noticed that because, as noted, I was mostly a button shooter myself with a few exceptions. The stick did not change anything for me (in fact, shooting around the basket was basically the same as in current gen with the option to turn the meter off entirely and just go by ratings). It's one thing if people wanted that functionality, but that was not who was typically responding to the poll. I am now aware of all of two cases where this is the reasoning to want the removal of aiming from the game. So, then, I think it's fair to have another look at that number from that poll. Of the 86%, I'd say about 76 either just a) didn't understand the mechanic and/or b) associated it with the elimination of zen use (which is incorrect, since zens can also utilize timing). About 10 percent legitimately wanted the stick to function the way it did in 20 (seems fair, as again, this is the first time I'm hearing any of that) and then about 14 percent liked it.

When you put it in these terms... It kinda sounds like it should have stayed as an option, no??

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[mb625]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Shot aiming should've been for offline mode only. I would use that but not against some cheater online.

Again, cheating is not necessarily limited to the aiming mechanic. In fact, the center script didn't even exist (to my knowledge) on next gen. Excellent timing scripts, however, did...

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[daveberg]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

You're taking this way too literal. You actually think that people only have NBA 2K21 in their library and no other games to play. There's a difference between buying a next-gen console to play only and only one game on it versus buying a console because you want to experience the next-gen version of your favorite game.

With backwards compatibility and Xbox Game Pass, it's impossible to purchase a next-gen console without having other games to play.

It's really not a big deal. I simply asked a legitimate question and engaged with the responses. I was merely curious as it genuinely sounds like all some of you care about is NBA 2k and literally nothing else would encourage you to buy a console other than one particular game.

It is what it is. Doesn't effect me either way. Like I said, merely wondering if that was even a 'thing'.

Right and I understand that. But the issue is that if *that* was the issue for most, it could have stayed with adjustments with that flaw in mind. I never noticed that because, as noted, I was mostly a button shooter myself with a few exceptions. The stick did not change anything for me (in fact, shooting around the basket was basically the same as in current gen with the option to turn the meter off entirely and just go by ratings). It's one thing if people wanted that functionality, but that was not who was typically responding to the poll. I am now aware of all of two cases where this is the reasoning to want the removal of aiming from the game. So, then, I think it's fair to have another look at that number from that poll. Of the 86%, I'd say about 76 either just a) didn't understand the mechanic and/or b) associated it with the elimination of zen use (which is incorrect, since zens can also utilize timing). About 10 percent legitimately wanted the stick to function the way it did in 20 (seems fair, as again, this is the first time I'm hearing any of that) and then about 14 percent liked it.

When you put it in these terms... It kinda sounds like it should have stayed as an option, no??

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That's fair.

I'm all for more options, completely. That way we all get a chance at our preferred mechanics, if, of course, it's feasible for the game to be designed in that manner. I don't have the first clue in terms of how difficult that would be to incorporate.

If 2K21 had the option to revert to full 2k20 controls, I would've kept the game, no doubt.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Honestly, about 95% of the games I’ve been playing on my PS5 have been either PS4 games or cross-gen games available on both systems (Miles Morales, COD etc.).

Ironically, 2K21 might be the only game I’ve played that was a new next-gen experience. I don’t think a PS5 is worth it right now imo.

[Masai]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Anybody can just type some BS, I need to see it for myself. Their should be a demo out by now

These people act like they have goodwill with consumers

[scottyp180]

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Over a 2k rating Ronnie has no control over Beal wife is mad annoying

I'm not really a fan of Ronnie but people come at him like he's responsible for every aspect of the game when he's basically just a messenger. Must be obnoxious dealing with it year after year. I don't expect a player's wife to understand Ronnie's role but when it's coming from the actual 2K community it just show how ill informed some of the fanbase is and unfortunately I feel like these are the opinions 2K values most these days.

[jfsolo]

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I'm not really a fan of Ronnie but people come at him like he's responsible for every aspect of the game when he's basically just a messenger. Must be obnoxious dealing with it year after year. I don't expect a player's wife to understand Ronnie's role but when it's coming from the actual 2K community it just show how ill informed some of the fanbase is and unfortunately I feel like these are the opinions 2K values most these days.

Anyone who is public facing will get the wrath of the gaming community, especially if they aren't sycophantic toward their specific community, they become the poster child for everything wrong with the game.

[scottyp180]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Anybody can just type some BS, I need to see it for myself. Their should be a demo out by now

These people act like they have goodwill with consumers

There should be a demo out by now based on what? The majority of games these days don't receive demos at all. We've been pretty fortunate that 2K is one of the few games that has consistently released free demos over the years.

Does anyone really expect any company or business to be consumer friendly or have actual good will towards costumers? Their goal is to make money. Any perceived "consumer friendliness" is just PR and marketing to get more sales. No one should expect these companies to be their friends.

[vetmin]

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The physics engine with blocks and charges was quite a bit different.

Oh I’m sure next-gen is noticeably better, but with all the ‘built from the ground up’ stuff I thought I might be missing out on some radically new-and-improved bball gaming experience until it came to PC. Ultimately it’d have been worth it to wait, since next-gen with mods will eventually be the best possible way to play, but it still stinks to feel like you’re missing out.

That said, big picture-wise, I wish I were missing out on something... because that would mean there were something really significant to look forward to. As it stands, the ‘REAL nex-gen’ 2k experience is purely theoretical, and I have my doubts that it’s anything but just a fantasy (i.e., they could still just be tweaking and re-painting the same basic game for 2k23, 24, & 25 for all we know)...

[vetmin]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

As someone who didn't play 2k21, can someone explain in a simple way what shot aiming is? Whatever it was, if the developers feel it was great and it was only an option, then I really don't understand taking it out. 2k in general seems very insecure and very little seems to come from their own wish to make things better.

I’m a Real Player % diehard, but I did prefer aiming to shot timing. My takeaway from what Mike Wang said though is that it wasn’t popular enough to maintain, i.e., in the sense of having to devote man-hours to making sure that aiming—even if left as-is—is compatible with other changes to the game. What if they make a change to the way shot timing works and it causes aiming to get all glitchy? Then they have to resolve that issue, and they seem to think that aiming is too niche to be worth the trouble. I get that, honestly.

[scottyp180]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

I’m a Real Player % diehard, but I did prefer aiming to shot timing. My takeaway from what Mike Wang said though is that it wasn’t popular enough to maintain, i.e., in the sense of having to devote man-hours to making sure that aiming—even if left as-is—is compatible with other changes to the game. What if they make a change to the way shot timing works and it causes aiming to get all glitchy? Then they have to resolve that issue, and they seem to think that aiming is too niche to be worth the trouble. I get that, honestly.

When it comes to Real Player% does user input matter at all or will the result be the same regardless of how long or quick you hold the shot stick/button? I've used shot timing for as long as it's been an option so I don't know exactly how Real Player% works.

[blk5tar5]

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Honestly, about 95% of the games I’ve been playing on my PS5 have been either PS4 games or cross-gen games available on both systems (Miles Morales, COD etc.).



Ironically, 2K21 might be the only game I’ve played that was a new next-gen experience. I don’t think a PS5 is worth it right now imo.

PS5 next-gen experience is the controllers but 2K hasn’t fully utilized it correctly yet. I’ll give 2K25 or 26 to fully utilize controller to its full potential and even the graphics too.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: New NBA 2K22 Details Have Been Revealed - Shot Aiming is Gone, Improved Defensive

Honestly, about 95% of the games I’ve been playing on my PS5 have been either PS4 games or cross-gen games available on both systems (Miles Morales, COD etc.).



Ironically, 2K21 might be the only game I’ve played that was a new next-gen experience. I don’t think a PS5 is worth it right now imo.

That's kinda my indirect point that I'm making about purchasing a next-gen console for one game. At the time I bought my XBSX, I thought NBA 2K 21 was the only game that was providing a "next-gen experience". Admittedly, I was suckered by the fancy marketing PR of "built from the ground up for next gen". It is what it is, but I don't regret my overall purchase.

The "quick resume", enhanced resolution/FPS, and quick loading still made getting the next gen console worth it. Hell, I believe the "quick resume" is a game changer. There is no way I could go back to resuming a game that was I playing and having to wait for the menus to load again. There is something extremely convenient about picking up exactly where you left off.

I'll tell people all the time. If you don't mind the current graphical appearance of games and the loading times on your PS4/XB1, then you're really not missing anything. They're have been a couple of solid games here and there (I would highly recommend Control:UE), but none that I would consider a "true" next-gen experience.