Speed Difference

[alabamarob]

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Well said, u better avoid Cavs with T. Fall, J. Allen, M. Markkanen and E. Mobley in the line-up!

I'm a offline player so sliders should be able to help widen the gap (at least it did for 19)


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Haha. Cpu running Lauri at the 3 and he is locking up and flying around the court. I played Cleveland and knew the speed was messed up. If you playing blacktop or my career or some other form of ram basketball I am sure the game is great.

But Lauri at the 3 looking like a young KG is what it is. I am going keep practicing for 30 days. Then I will either learn how to play or accept defeat and go to sliders. Ha

[ILLSmak]

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-PNree3P5Y&feature=youtu.be

hof cg break showcases many flaws.

-Smak

[VictorMG]

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Czar talks about this on one of his Bits and Pieces videos. IIRC, they did what they did with the AI because people were just turboing around the AI-controlled defenders in 2K21.

[milin]

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Czar talks about this on one of his Bits and Pieces videos. IIRC, they did what they did with the AI because people were just turboing around the AI-controlled defenders in 2K21.

It might be true, but at the end of the day it's just a bandaid for the problem, and to me it's just bad coding at this stage. Come on, this is 2021 for god's sake.

I mean, look at this vid... Check how the CPU controlled Cunningham is moving to keep up with Lonzo. And this is on Allstar, not even HOF or SS. Things like this happen often since forever, but this year it's insane.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxDoXaaXkeqWLP7h7

[Baebae32]

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Czar talks about this on one of his Bits and Pieces videos. IIRC, they did what they did with the AI because people were just turboing around the AI-controlled defenders in 2K21.

This is a problem because of 2 things IMO

1) the startup animations from a stand still to sliding are entirely too slow. There is no explosion. This is because of the new motion system introduced in 2k20

2) the ai is programmed to circle behind the offensive player and chase the ball once they are beat off the dribble instead of trying to put their body between you and the rim. Thats why getting by players is so black and white so to speak. Would rather see a canned hip ride animation that leads to a makeable layup instead

[VictorMG]

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It might be true, but at the end of the day it's just a bandaid for the problem, and to me it's just bad coding at this stage. Come on, this is 2021 for god's sake.

I mean, look at this vid... Check how the CPU controlled Cunningham is moving to keep up with Lonzo. And this is on Allstar, not even HOF or SS. Things like this happen often since forever, but this year it's insane.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxDoXaaXkeqWLP7h7

I mean... the system's not perfect. Balance is way harder to achieve in making games than people seem to think.

[milin]

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I mean... the system's not perfect. Balance is way harder to achieve in making games than people seem to think.

Yes, I know, believe me. But going from one end to the other on the subject is not fixing a problem. It's just creating another.

[VictorMG]

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Yes, I know, believe me. But going from one end to the other on the subject is not fixing a problem. It's just creating another.

I understand that it's frustrating, but it's not as if they did it on purpose. They weren't in the office saying to themselves "We could make this perfectly balanced, but instead, let's go all the way to the extreme in the opposite direction."

I assume that what we got with AI defense this year was their best attempt to solve the issues from last year, which they'll keep working on going into next year, and so on.

Maybe I'm too idealistic, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[rjohns23]

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Man the feedback in this thread is awesome. But I've been preaching this for years.....

I wish one of the Devs who created or worked on sliders, would make a video or blog explaining the sliders in DETAIL. Meaning how does each slider affect the game and give examples. Especially for sliders that are not black and white.

Instead of us trying to figure all this stuff out.

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[milin]

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I understand that it's frustrating, but it's not as if they did it on purpose. They weren't in the office saying to themselves "We could make this perfectly balanced, but instead, let's go all the way to the extreme in the opposite direction."

I assume that what we got with AI defense this year was their best attempt to solve the issues from last year, which they'll keep working on going into next year, and so on.

Maybe I'm too idealistic, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with you. And I like 2k22 a lot more than 2K21, because they improved other areas greatly. It's just that what they did with the defense, while offering a more challenging experience compared to 2K21, it goes further away from becoming a better sim in my opinion. A lot of people are happy with this, and I'd be too when comparing to 2K21, but, like I said, it's just a bandaid for the problem. We've had this type of defense in another recent 2K, so to me they just went back to that.

[JoFri]

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Spoiler

It might be true, but at the end of the day it's just a bandaid for the problem, and to me it's just bad coding at this stage. Come on, this is 2021 for god's sake.

I mean, look at this vid... Check how the CPU controlled Cunningham is moving to keep up with Lonzo. And this is on Allstar, not even HOF or SS. Things like this happen often since forever, but this year it's insane.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxDoXaaXkeqWLP7h7

That's teleporting!



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[rjohns23]

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It might be true, but at the end of the day it's just a bandaid for the problem, and to me it's just bad coding at this stage. Come on, this is 2021 for god's sake.

I mean, look at this vid... Check how the CPU controlled Cunningham is moving to keep up with Lonzo. And this is on Allstar, not even HOF or SS. Things like this happen often since forever, but this year it's insane.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxDoXaaXkeqWLP7h7

Man thats bad. If it was HOF I would understand since HOF is not sim but more so a challenge for the user.

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[VictorMG]

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Man thats bad. If it was HOF I would understand since HOF is not sim but more so a challenge for the user.

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Stuff like that does not happen often, though. Come on, guys. Sliding to that extent is extremely rare.

[alabamarob]

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I agree with you. And I like 2k22 a lot more than 2K21, because they improved other areas greatly. It's just that what they did with the defense, while offering a more challenging experience compared to 2K21, it goes further away from becoming a better sim in my opinion. A lot of people are happy with this, and I'd be too when comparing to 2K21, but, like I said, it's just a bandaid for the problem. We've had this type of defense in another recent 2K, so to me they just went back to that.

A smart man. That has been my whole point. Just because something is harder or “improved” does not mean it is more realistic. I think speed difference is the foundation of any basketball game. If Fox is not substantially faster then Mike Muscala that is an issue. It affects the game’s realism. Thus affecting the strategy. Then you are playing something other then NBA basketball.

Just because their is a way to keep people from dribbling by a defender does not always mean its the right way.

[VictorMG]

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Just because their is a way to keep people from dribbling by a defender does not always mean its the right way.

Maybe it was the only way or the best way.