CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

For context I’ve played a few games where I was just backing guards in with bigs and no help came. It was last week and it was very organic.


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[The 24th Letter]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

See Czar's Twitter thread.

He's going to work on finding a medium this weekend.

How often do you all think they should come?


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[strosdood]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

See Czar's Twitter thread.

He's going to work on finding a medium this weekend.

How often do you all think they should come?


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Only if it’s a high level player and he’s abusing the defender repeatedly……. If Tyler Zeller has a few good possessions they should not start doubling him as there’s bigger threats on the floor lol


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[VictorMG]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

For context I’ve played a few games where I was just backing guards in with bigs and no help came. It was last week and it was very organic.


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I get scaling it down, but damn, by how much? Anthony Davis with Klay Thompson on him (matchup I've seen with no double in the post) is objectively a huge mismatch. I wonder what their default Strength ratings are.

[VictorMG]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

See Czar's Twitter thread.

He's going to work on finding a medium this weekend.

How often do you all think they should come?


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I really wish they could put it on a sliding scale. Like:

-Strength difference 20 or more, instant double/dig (double more often than dig)
-Strength difference 10-19, sometimes double, sometimes dig
-Strength difference 0-9, sometimes dig, sometimes double, sometimes nothing

Or something like that.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

See Czar's Twitter thread.

He's going to work on finding a medium this weekend.

How often do you all think they should come?


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I think there needs to be two scenarios.

1. Physical mismatch in the Post. A big on a guard who can’t stop him. This should be almost automatic. I hate anything 100% and I felt Luka on a G was bringing auto doubles every time and leaving kick outs wide open. Can we make this 90% or have help cheat or stunt? If not then 90% doubles.
2. Someone is hot. These should be based on someone getting hot. I would do it based on quarter stats like scoring 7+ straight points or scoring 50%+ of team scoring in the quarter (still min 7 points before kicks in) rather than total points. For short quarters it might have to be based on hot streak only.
3. Side note. Can the cpu mix a zone defence in once per game please? Even if it’s just one defensive possession.
Just my two cents.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

I think there needs to be two scenarios.

1. Physical mismatch in the Post. A big on a guard who can’t stop him. This should be almost automatic. I hate anything 100% and I felt Luka on a G was bringing auto doubles every time and leaving kick outs wide open. Can we make this 90% or have help cheat or stunt? If not then 90% doubles.
2. Someone is hot. These should be based on someone getting hot. I would do it based on quarter stats like scoring 7+ straight points or scoring 50%+ of team scoring in the quarter (still min 7 points before kicks in) rather than total points. For short quarters it might have to be based on hot streak only.
3. Side note. Can the cpu mix a zone defence in once per game please? Even if it’s just one defensive possession.
Just my two cents.

In regards to #2 you’re correct.

I was just posting up Trae Young on every switch and no help came. More than 10 possessions.

Last week help came.

[xCoachDx]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

The problem with double teams is twofold. One, they aren’t very effective. You can still pass out of them very easily. And two, the rotations are bad. The weakside always has someone wide open rather than having the furthest person away cheating between the two open guys.

IRL, good ball pressure mitigates the furthest man being open. But with how ineffective double teams are, it’s a problem.

With that being said, CPU double teams always seem more effective than User double teams. So with how poor PnR defense is for the CPU, at least having them happen would give them some bit of extra threat.

[VictorMG]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

The problem with double teams is twofold. One, they aren’t very effective. You can still pass out of them very easily.

To be fair, part of the effectiveness of double-teams IRL is that they crowd the ballhandler and restrict his vision. With us seeing from a camera over top of the court most times, that's almost impossible to replicate.

I think they could make passes out of double-teams take a strong accuracy hit depending on the passer, the quality of the double, the amount of time spent in the double, but maybe casuals wouldn't like it. idk

[xCoachDx]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

To be fair, part of the effectiveness of double-teams IRL is that they crowd the ballhandler and restrict his vision. With us seeing from a camera over top of the court most times, that's almost impossible to replicate.

I think they could make passes out of double-teams take a strong accuracy hit depending on the passer, the quality of the double, the amount of time spent in the double, but maybe casuals wouldn't like it. idk

But that’s my point about the double team itself being ineffective. If a trap caused more errant passes, or could strip the ball out, seeing the whole court wouldn’t matter. So when you combine that with the rotations leaving someone completely open, the trap doesn’t do enough. It’s been that way for WAY too long.

[rjohns23]

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In regards to #2 you’re correct.

I was just posting up Trae Young on every switch and no help came. More than 10 possessions.

Last week help came.

You're 100% correct. Now I'm on PC, but last week, there were double team action on if a player got hot. Now if I score 10 points in a row in where my PG is taking the CPU off the dribble and scoring in the paint, no help/double comes.

Not sure of this is based on the team I was playing (T-Wolves) but it seemed out of the box, doubles would come if a player got hot.

Also, against the Wolves, they switch every pick. So you will have Towns guarding the PG and Towns will play him tight like he's Patrick Beverly instead of sagging and making me take a contested mid range.... So now when I through it to my post (whos guarded by a small PG) its a guaranteed two points because of no help.

I'm a still do somemore testing but this is just a nagging game killer in regard to competing against the CPU. I dont want to feel like I can "cheese" and get a bucket anytime I want against the CPU.

I'm thinking if I set the CPUs defensive strategy that it may help with some of this but I doubt it.

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[wizfan2]

Re: CPU doesn't double team even during mismatches?

They have to fix this, the gameplay was so on point.