This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

Czar said it best: adjust sliders according to your skill level. Turbo cheesing past the CPU? Lower your Speed/Acceleration attributes and raise the CPU’s + Lateral Quickness slider. Making easy dimes? Lower pass accuracy or even pass speed.

You can’t be satisfied with this product out of the box, that’s why we have sliders: to tune the game to our liking.

[NYJin2011tm]

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“Defensive oriented feeling like ‘98 Heat vs Knicks where you have to slug out points and not as many threes as real modern NBA” is exactly what I like about 2K22 lmao. Modern NBA defense where rules make it easy for anyone to beat anyone 1v1 and CPU shooting nonstop threes would basically be 2K21 CPU defense meets an online park game. It just wouldn’t translate well to a video game imo and would be one dimensional. Modern style defense (an afterthought to offense) is way too easy to beat and exploit in a game universe, which I think is one reason they made it so physical. I personally can’t stand 130 point games, just highlights terrible defense. And this year’s NBA getting ever so slightly more physical and defensive minded again shows that, as scoring is (thankfully) down.

You can still turbo cheese your way to the hole. And CPU against me still shoot a bunch of threes in many games. Often I’ll see 30+ from them. Personally I love that this game plays like classic ball. Makes it feel more physical and wins feel tougher. But then many guys feel this game has no defense so it varies.

It’s important to lower drive tendency for players who have it too high (which is tons of players) and raise mid range tendencies for players. The game will open up a lot. Then lower your defensive strength jump shot sliders for both teams considerably, so you can actually make jumpshots and don’t have to drive every play. I have it set where cpu defense such as on ball and lateral quickness, defensive awareness/consistency are all at 80, but jump shot defensive strength is at 15. So CPU can make driving not feel like a walk in the park for me but I can still hit contested jumpers.

Scoring is mostly down this year because offensive players are no longer getting those bogus calls and teams are not shooting 50 FTs a game anymore.

[FixEverything2k]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

Czar said it best: adjust sliders according to your skill level. Turbo cheesing past the CPU? Lower your Speed/Acceleration attributes and raise the CPU’s + Lateral Quickness slider. Making easy dimes? Lower pass accuracy or even pass speed.

You can’t be satisfied with this product out of the box, that’s why we have sliders: to tune the game to our liking.

My problem with this is the default sliders should at the very least then replicate sim stats if the gameplay won’t replicate anything sim.

It’s nice to have the ability to customize that’s great, but using that to have the base product be whatever is wrong. Teams in real life shoot 3’s, get to the line, and do a whole bunch of other things that the players won’t do on the court.

Like by default the hard teams should be more challenging because they play to their real life strengths, and the weaker teams should do the same. Before edits I don’t bump into different challenges team to team.

Even watching CPU vs CPU is nasty.

On the PS4 atleast I’ve edited the play discipline to have teams try and follow their plays more so atleast I’m seeing more passes and more actions.

But other than that there is too many holes in the mechanics and the AI decisions.

[The 24th Letter]

This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

If you’re an offline gamer, especially around these parts, the option and ability to customize the game to your liking should never be a problem.

The idea that the game should come out of the box tailored to your specific liking is a bit silly

Everyone is different. I, in particular couldn’t care less about the box score looking realistic at the end of the game, or that the CPU’s attempts were in line with NBA average if I’ve had a fun, challenging game. I think focusing on driving up numbers is how we got things like “auto fouls” in 2K16…

but that’s an entirely different topic and me personally…..others can feel differently and that’s what the options to customize the game are for.

[ggsimmonds]

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In the past didn't the game ship with premade sim vs casual slider sets?

What happened to those?

[The 24th Letter]

This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

In the past didn't the game ship with premade sim vs casual slider sets?

What happened to those?

Gone since 2K16….

but they were essentially just named slider sets.

[FixEverything2k]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

If you’re an offline gamer, especially around these parts, the option and ability to customize the game to your liking should never be a problem.

The idea that the game should come out of the box tailored to your specific liking is a bit silly

Everyone is different. I, in particular couldn’t care less about the box score looking realistic at the end of the game, or that the CPU’s attempts were in line with NBA average if I’ve had a fun, challenging game. I think focusing on driving up numbers is how we got things like “auto fouls” in 2K16…

but that’s an entirely different topic and me personally…..others can feel differently and that’s what the options to customize the game are for.

I don’t disagree that it’s great that we can customize.

I’m not saying they should be customized to my liking.

For them to be default sliders what are they defaulting to? What is the out of box product supposed to emulate on the default settings? That’s supposed to be a representation of what the people who worked on the game say is the settings that will have the game run how they intended.

What are these sliders intending to do? According to this thread and threads like it it’s not providing enough challenges. According to other threads it’s not providing sim.

If 11 threes attempted is someone’s idea of default settings for NBA why is it unreasonable to ask the default be closer to what actually happens?

If the default sliders on a wrestling game had punch power maxed and grapples doing no damage, it would be reasonable to question it.

If the default sliders and tendencies have people rim running all game in my opinion it’s not an unreasonable thing to question, sure it’s great that I can customize and I do but if I go to my friends house to play they not about to sit down and load or start tinkering with sliders.

[Luke Skywalker]

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I don’t disagree that it’s great that we can customize.

I’m not saying they should be customized to my liking.

For them to be default sliders what are they defaulting to? What is the out of box product supposed to emulate on the default settings? That’s supposed to be a representation of what the people who worked on the game say is the settings that will have the game run how they intended.

What are these sliders intending to do? According to this thread and threads like it it’s not providing enough challenges. According to other threads it’s not providing sim.

If 11 threes attempted is someone’s idea of default settings for NBA why is it unreasonable to ask the default be closer to what actually happens?

If the default sliders on a wrestling game had punch power maxed and grapples doing no damage, it would be reasonable to question it.

If the default sliders and tendencies have people rim running all game in my opinion it’s not an unreasonable thing to question, sure it’s great that I can customize and I do but if I go to my friends house to play they not about to sit down and load or start tinkering with sliders.

If the default sliders aren’t a challenge for you, then that’s when you start changing things. You probably know all the moves, you learned how to beat the CPU off the dribble. Now, alter your settings and make it harder to execute. Automatic shooter? Drop your shot success sliders to 40. Good ball handler? Drop ball handling down to 35.

Don’t complain. Adjust.

[The 24th Letter]

This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

I don’t disagree that it’s great that we can customize.

I’m not saying they should be customized to my liking.

For them to be default sliders what are they defaulting to? What is the out of box product supposed to emulate on the default settings? That’s supposed to be a representation of what the people who worked on the game say is the settings that will have the game run how they intended.

What are these sliders intending to do? According to this thread and threads like it it’s not providing enough challenges. According to other threads it’s not providing sim.

If 11 threes attempted is someone’s idea of default settings for NBA why is it unreasonable to ask the default be closer to what actually happens?

If the default sliders on a wrestling game had punch power maxed and grapples doing no damage, it would be reasonable to question it.

If the default sliders and tendencies have people rim running all game in my opinion it’s not an unreasonable thing to question, sure it’s great that I can customize and I do but if I go to my friends house to play they not about to sit down and load or start tinkering with sliders.

There’s no baseline for how realism translates through a video game, because it’s going to vary based on our perspective

One person may want the CPU to force up 11 threes to present a nice end of game box score comparable to their real life counterpart. That’s not my idea of fun personally. The fact the former is closer to “real life” doesn’t mean it should be the AI’s de facto settings IMO. Keep in mind too, what we have now isn’t even “out of box”

I’m a problem - solutions guy.

In these threads you’re talking about regarding not providing a challenge or sim..there have been posts from people stating what they do move closer to that experience. We can either wallow in the fact that 2K isn’t automatically adjusted to our personal liking, or we can discuss and apply those things. For a place like OS where we have always done so, I don’t see the issue.

Now the general issues with how 2K cares for their tendencies/ratings etc is something I 100% agree with.

[RedmanR]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

In the past didn't the game ship with premade sim vs casual slider sets?

What happened to those?

Yup, those settings were once upon a time incorporated into 2K. . . I use to set mine to sim then tweak to my liking. . .

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[ggsimmonds]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

Gone since 2K16….

but they were essentially just named slider sets.

Yeah but I think they helped with regards to some people's criticisms. Unfortunately there is a good number of people who play the game as is out of the box and then complain about the game being too easy/difficult and when told that sliders can remedy this they act outraged at the idea.

People think the out of the box default experience should be tailored to them.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

Yeah but I think they helped with regards to some people's criticisms. Unfortunately there is a good number of people who play the game as is out of the box and then complain about the game being too easy/difficult and when told that sliders can remedy this they act outraged at the idea.

People think the out of the box default experience should be tailored to them.

Funny thing is, I ended up using ‘Default’ moreso than ‘Simulation’ by the end of the cycle…just played a better game for me personally….but I understand what you are saying.

Some people don’t like using sliders and prefer to leave everything on default. Understandable, but that choice comes with consequences. I actually get that mentality more than the “I adjust sliders, but shouldn’t have to” mentality.

Maybe bringing back those options would put people in a better headspace with all of this, even though it’s been at your disposal this entire time, lol

[AIRJ23]

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Once again. After painstaking tweaking from sliders to rosters, the game plays about as good as I can expect. Lately zero frustration and just excellent games.

Want to really open the game up? Tend to their horrific tendencies for players. I see stupid things like KD and Derozan having little to no mid range tendencies. LeBron has no step back or mid range tendencies. It’s goofy as hell. Also be sure to tweak players CONTESTED mid range tendencies but those actually seem more accurate than the mid range “take shot” tendencies out of the box. Has anyone watched KD this season? His game is 95% mid range and it’s glorious. Same for Derozen. Think it’sa coincidence two of the best and most enjoyable players this season shoot the most mid rangers? Throw CP in there too and Kawhi last playoffs looking like 96 Jordan’s lil bro before he got injured.

The mid range game is making a lil comeback from certain elite players and it makes gameplay so much prettier and basketball like when you raise mid range tendencies.

[jfsolo]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

Funny thing is, I ended up using ‘Default’ moreso than ‘Simulation’ by the end of the cycle…just played a better game for me personally….but I understand what you are saying.

Some people don’t like using sliders and prefer to leave everything on default. Understandable, but that choice comes with consequences. I actually get that mentality more than the “I adjust sliders, but shouldn’t have to” mentality.

Maybe bringing back those options would put people in a better headspace with all of this, even though it’s been at your disposal this entire time, lol

2K has so many things that need to be adjusted that it becomes too much for a lot of people in terms of trying to tune the game. A setting out the box coming from the dev team(who you hope understands how all of their setting work together) would be really beneficial in terms of giving people a big head start.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: This is the Least Challenging CPU in 2k History.

2K has so many things that need to be adjusted that it becomes too much for a lot of people in terms of trying to tune the game. A setting out the box coming from the dev team(who you hope understands how all of their setting work together) would be really beneficial in terms of giving people a big head start.

Seeing how it didn’t really change anything in 2K16 as far as the community goes, and looking at Madden, who has something like that in place….I have my doubts it would make much difference in the end.

but I’m all for options.

If having them there would settle some minds it’s all good with me….