AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

[sirdez]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Yeah we're back to that infamous 2k23 patch where you couldn't score inside against any sort of contest, even on much smaller opponents.

Definitely seeing some more impulsive doubles from the CPU though which is nice.

[VictorMG]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Yeah we're back to that infamous 2k23 patch where you couldn't score inside against any sort of contest, even on much smaller opponents.

Definitely seeing some more impulsive doubles from the CPU though which is nice.

I was talking about the fact that there was no double-team help for Murray guarding LeBron and AD in the post.



What's everyone else seeing?


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[jrose57]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

still seeing this issue in the game on ps5...game breaker dude

[aussie_pride]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I think in older 2K’s that was exactly how it was dictated. I remember in 2K21 they would do things like send a double team when Shaq was guarding Tim Duncan because his post rating was so high, lol

I think it’s a bit more nuanced now. In that Rockets matchup for example, The doubled Jokic the very first play vs. the starting center, Didn’t the next, Then sent digs the play after that.


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In 2K24 how would you rate the CPU's ability to rotate and recover when you kick the ball out to the open man after being double teamed in the post?

[m29a]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I did a search for "nba 2k ace adaptive coaching engine" and here are some snippets from old blogs.

2K16

"AI will dynamically and progressively adapt to the user. New team specific defenses have all 30 NBA coaches with their own adaptability and defensive coaching philosophies. They’ll adapt to players differently depending on time of season, player type, and more."

2K17

"And speaking of game planning, the defensive side of the Adaptive Coaching Engine saw many improvements as well. Brand new team schemes, scoring patterns and formation recognition bring a new level of authenticity to NBA 2K17. And as the offensive transition AI has improved, so has the defense. AI defenders now intelligently identify the most dangerous threats and move to their assignments accordingly."

"Artificial Intelligence is continually getting smarter with each new iteration of our game. Last year was the first year of the new Adaptive Coaching Engine (ACE) which we know all of you guys at #Simnation drooled over. In year two, ACE is smarter, stronger and sexier. "

"ACE also features more game to game adjustments, specific to whether you’re within a season or in the midst of a playoff run."

[jrose57]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

anyone from the dev team on 2k or czar can like patch this gamebreaker bug?

[VictorMG]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)




What happened? They had it. They freakin had it. It was there, and now all of a sudden it's gone. And it's not the patch, because I captured this before today, and the patch didn't fix it. I just checked.


This is really weird.

[MrFil23]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Needs to be patched. You can take your big from the 3pt line and back down slowly to under the rim and easy basket everytime.

I agree, the 'Bulldozer' badge is also responsible for this. This badge is disastrous, especially since the rules are not respected, and offensive fouls are never called, even if your defender doesn't move and remains stationary on both feet

[MrFil23]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

I did a search for "nba 2k ace adaptive coaching engine" and here are some snippets from old blogs.

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"Artificial Intelligence is continually getting smarter with each new iteration of our game. Last year was the first year of the new Adaptive Coaching Engine (ACE) which we know all of you guys at #Simnation drooled over. In year two, ACE is smarter, stronger and sexier. "

"ACE also features more game to game adjustments, specific to whether you’re within a season or in the midst of a playoff run."

It was better in NBA2k16-17-18. Everything related to coach strategy and ACE worked better. I'm not saying the game was smarter; on the contrary, I think it's smarter now. But back then, what existed worked, it was coherent, and, most importantly, we understood how it worked. Today, coach strategies and ACE are messy, there are bugs and many malfunctions. There are also functions that exist but don't work. In short, since the advent of the MyCareer mode (park, etc.), simNation players are not a priority at all, and the game's finishing quality is affected.


I created a topic about this, but no one seems interested : https://forums.operationsports.com/f...post2050837240. In 2016, I'm certain it would have garnered a lot of interest. There were more sim players and fewer online players back then. At that time, Dcazar often made videos to explain the coach's system. It was good; it was an intelligent game that encouraged strategic play.

[mauro78]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

What happened? They had it. They freakin had it. It was there, and now all of a sudden it's gone. And it's not the patch, because I captured this before today, and the patch didn't fix it. I just checked.


This is really weird.

How to avoid this scenario adjusting ratings? Nobody if your name is not Shaq is able to to this….


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[ggsimmonds]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

How to avoid this scenario adjusting ratings? Nobody if your name is not Shaq is able to to this….


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Thats not accurate. That looks like Jamal Murray. Real life AD would be able to bully Jamal just like this clip. We never see it happen because defenses in real life would not leave Jamal on an island like this. Even if they don't outright double, they still roll a weakside defender into the paint so that AD doesn't back his man down right into a double team.

Anyway, defenses reacting to mismatches seem to be sporadic. Sometimes they react, other times its like the "this is fine" while the room is on fire meme. Don't know why its so inconsistent and I haven't done any testing to identify the key variable.

[mauro78]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Thats not accurate. That looks like Jamal Murray. Real life AD would be able to bully Jamal just like this clip. We never see it happen because defenses in real life would not leave Jamal on an island like this. Even if they don't outright double, they still roll a weakside defender into the paint so that AD doesn't back his man down right into a double team.

Anyway, defenses reacting to mismatches seem to be sporadic. Sometimes they react, other times its like the "this is fine" while the room is on fire meme. Don't know why its so inconsistent and I haven't done any testing to identify the key variable.

100% agree

But at least I like that in 2k24 is more "Dynamic" than in 2k23.

[KenXCarson]

Re: AI double-teams against low-post mismatches (2K24)

Yeah, this is honestly terrible and has kind of killed late game situations for me in MyLeague. Bam Adebayo will be defending Embiid (who is a more than capable defender) on the last play of the game, and a player who is on the opposite side of the court will come over to double team lol.

I have submitted a ticket to the Official 2K Discord, but I will prob need to submit a ticket on their support site as well. I'll do that when I get a sec. Really hoping we can get some implementations made, because it really kills the suspense of games that come down to the last possession.